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09-16-2010, 06:45 PM
Jose Aldo (No. 1 FW, No. 3 PFP) vs. Manny Gamburyan (No. 2 FW)

Jamie Varner vs. Donald Cerrone
Miguel Torres (No. 5 BW) vs. Charlie Valencia
Leonard Garcia vs. Mark Hominick
Mike Thomas Brown (No. 3 FW) vs. Cole Province
Chris Horodecki vs. Ed Ratcliff
Chan Sung Jung vs. George Roop
Diego Nunes (No. 10 FW) vs. Tyler Toner
Antonio Banuelos vs. Chad George
Tie Quan Zhang vs. Jason Reinhardt
Nick Pace vs. Demetrious Johnson

Card of the Year contender. in my view. First, an Aldo and a Torres fight,backed up by a contest between two high level guys who hate one another, Varner and Cowboy Cerrone. You've got Mike Brown, you've got the Korean Zombie. Way down on the card you have an excellent fight featuring Antonio Banuelos and another with the 10th ranked feather, Deigo Nunes. Awesome

09-29-2010, 05:02 PM
Tomorrow night, guys. AAAwesome card.

09-30-2010, 11:15 AM
Wow, I can't believe the depth of disinterest in this card.

Anyway, I'm going for Aldo over Manny--but Manny has a shot at being able to outnuscle him. He's one strong little dude.

The card also features the first Chinese fighter to make it to the bigs fighting George Roop.

The Welterweight Epitome
09-30-2010, 09:42 PM
Yeh, unfortunately I won't get to see this one, otherwise I would be watching for sure!!!!!

Also don't know much about the guys in WEC (due to not being able to view it), not from the US, so makes it nearly impossible for me to get into it.

Though I have managed to get hold of most of Aldos previous fights and think he should win this one comfortably.

09-30-2010, 10:25 PM
Wow, I can't believe the depth of disinterest in this card.

Anyway, I'm going for Aldo over Manny--but Manny has a shot at being able to outnuscle him. He's one strong little dude.

The card also features the first Chinese fighter to make it to the bigs fighting George Roop.

I have a great interest, but being at work and not having access to WEC events in Oz means I'm hiding until I can get a copy for watch later on!

09-30-2010, 11:55 PM
Jose Aldo is the best MMAer P4P in the world. To heck with Silva and GSP. Aldo is #1. After a quiet first round during which he studied Gamburyan and scored with four or five of his patented vicious low kicks, Aldo buckled Gamburyan with a right hand, floored him with an uppercut, took his back and pounded him out in short order. Nobody in MMA finishes like this guy. An awesome fighter.

Cerrone-Varner, though the winner won every round, is a candidate for FOTY just on the basis of sheer violence. These guys Hate one anoher. Example--when he knocked out Varner's mouthpiece, Cerrone stood just out of range, calling him a pussy for having it out back in. Cerrone has really improved. He knocked down Varner twice in the first, once with a knee, one with a left hook, and took Varner down half a dozen times throughout the three rounds. Varner's face was a mess at fight's end, but he was dangerous and combative in all three rounds. UD Cerrone--30-27 three times. I had it 30-26.

Miguel Torres submitted Charlie Valencia by RNC in the second--he looked like the old Torres but with a new weird stance. He's been studying wrestling with little wrestling guy from Canada who spent last night's TUF ragdolling young fighters.

George Roop startched the Korean Zombie with a head kick. More later.

10-01-2010, 02:04 AM
Is Aldo the type of fighter that could lead to another weight class being added to UFC or do you think he's the guy to take WEC's standing to another level?

10-01-2010, 06:10 AM
MMA is an unforgiving sport--I'm sure Aldo will be beaten again one day; but he hasn't lost for five years. His quickness is beyond compare and that speed translates to devastating power. I'd say he's already taken the 145 division to the next level and I'd pick him over Frankie Edgar right now. But tthe next-up challenger, 21 year old Josh Crispi, who fights in November, will be a challenge. Assuming Aldo gets past him. and I figure he will, then he'll have a decision to make about staying at 145 or moving up. I don't think the UFC will add a weight class.

It's just hard too believe that anyone is this good. The fight last night looked like his blowout of Mike Brown. A quiet first round during which Aldo takes his opponent's measure, and then he just blows him away early in the second. It's a priviledge to watch him work. No one has even gotten him in least bit of trouble in the WEC.

With fighters like Jon Jones, Anthony Pettis, Aldo...the future looks bright.

10-01-2010, 09:02 AM
Was this broadcasted on Showtime?

10-01-2010, 10:43 AM
Nope. Versus, it's a free channel that isn't on all cable carriers, but should be. They usually broadcast a lot of rodeo, bass fishing and the like but the WEC is how I discovered it.

Echo every word the Dogman said and if you haven't seen Aldo, you are really missing out. From the point of the big right hand landing that staggered Manny, the uppercut was there in a flash and seconds later, the fight was over. I'm surprised this blitzkrieg specialist hasn't broken someones leg with the low kicks, they're like a whip lined with rebar. He is N-A-S-T-Y. And he's only freaking 24, with the poise and focus of a warhorse.

Cerrone-Varner was a great fight, but the lack of class Cowboy showed was disappointing. I can understand hating a guy, I can understand refusing to shake hands, but the dismissive shove in the midst of an embrace was childish and unnecessary. Gotta give it to Varner, he was swinging for the fences up until the very end despite being visibly exhausted. That brief moment where he started pawing his eye gave a momentary bad flashback. LOL.

10-01-2010, 11:13 AM
They're also the cable outlet for the NHL.

The WEC cards on Versus usually trump the UFC cards, at least for me...plus they're free. I hear if Faber gets past the Japanese guy, he's going to fight Torres. That'll be a war.

Anyway you need Versus, Dig. I hope you get to see these fights.

10-01-2010, 03:11 PM
I have versus but I didn't hear about this card at all. I'll keep an eye out now. Thanks.

10-01-2010, 03:21 PM
You oughta check in here more often. :)

10-01-2010, 10:39 PM
By the way, I was more impressed with Mike Brown as a fighter defending the title against Jose than I was of Manny coming into the fight last night. The scary thing is the ease that Aldo dispatched these guys with. Brown is a huge guy for the weight class, very strong and Aldo went through him slowly then suddenly. Faber went the route and he was proably wishing he didn't, Aldo beat the dog snot out of him. And Manny went the way as Brown, the speed and length difference making me uneasy when I first heard of this.

I haven't seen the kid who he's supposed to fight next, but what do you do? Personally, I wouldn't want any of those leg kicks, you can scratch that, I'd rather take a nice clean KO and be able to walk a few minutes later. But he's a master of dictating range (freakishly for a kid that age...he's like a savant) and if you get close anyway, he's deceptively strong. He's gonna be a real, real tough out.

But in the last year plus, I've seen Torres unconconscious, Fedor tap out and Big Nog do the same...three things I would have bet against with every cent I had. But the fact that I'm very comfortable putting Aldo's name with thiers shows what I think of him. He's that good.

10-01-2010, 11:49 PM
But Manny KOed Brown--he's a powerful guy, whether he's more impressive or not. I think Aldo is a special fighter. I really do believe he could beat Edgar now (Edgar's really a big 145 pounder), and by the time he grows into a lightweight, he'll be a rough go for anyone.

Crispi's good, but not that good, I don't think. It's going to take an unbelievable wrestler to give Aldo a game.

The thing is, 135-155 are incredibly stacked divisions. There's so much talent it's mind-boggling. But Aldo...yeah, a real tough out.

10-02-2010, 12:01 AM
DT: don't get me wrong, I know "the Anvil" is one of the most earned nicknames in any sport....saw him beat Brown and really thought he was gonna beat Diaz on TUF (and who knows, his shoulder holds up? We've got a war). Maybe "not impressed" wasn't the right terminology. I still didn't like the match-up on paper and even less when they were in the ring together.

And brother, are you right on the lighter weights. Freaking stacked with talent.

10-02-2010, 01:07 AM
Yeah, well. Aldo's not a great match-up for anyone. Manny's wrestling is really good--he stays really tight and doesn't give you any room to get an underhook; but Aldo just sort of brushed him off. The wrestling was why I thought Manny might have a shot to do some GnP. Wrong. Right now I'm having trouble imagining the guy who beats Aldo...unless he's Aldo himself. And given his story, coming off the streets of Rio, having no money for food and training until someone noticed that the kid might need a meal...I don't think he'll beat himself.

10-05-2010, 09:19 AM
Color me an Aldo fan. Christ, he is fast and accurate. I really never gave him as much credit for his wins before as I should have - I kind of made excuses for the guys he beat rather than give him his due.

I got a little impatient watching this bout at first but in the end it all made sense. He dictates whatever goes on in there and if you get brave he will punish you almost immediately. A very smart fighter for someone this young and will be a very hard guy to beat assuming he only gets better.

I don't know much about Manny but it seems like he did all he could do. The way Aldo controls distance, I don't see him getting taken out by a smaller guy any time soon.

Cerrone-Varner was a definite FOTY candidate. I really didn't read this thread through until now and I'm glad I didn't. This fight caught me by surprise and it was a treat. Wow.

It was good to see Torres get this win. I guess this stance gives him a better defensive posture (in his mind)? Well, whatever he's tweaked, it worked so far. I'm looking forward to what he does next.

And yes, that was some friggin head kick by Roop. Did not see that coming...and neither did someone else.

10-05-2010, 09:54 AM
Ha! A convert!

Yeah, Aldo's a marvel. Those leg kicks are something else, too.

I was amazed by the improvement in Cerrone's game between this fight and the Henderson fight. He had no wrestling and now he's apparently damn good.

Anyway, these WEC cards are generally better than the UFC cards, in my view. They never offer anything as lame as a Michael Bisping headliner.

10-05-2010, 03:36 PM
Yeah, he snaps those leg kicks like a whip. Nasty, nasty stuff.