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blv30
01-28-2006, 04:34 PM
If Howard had've gotten Ray into the ring, would he have cut him to threads, or would Boom Boom bomb him out?

kikibalt
01-28-2006, 07:48 PM
I don't think Davis could cut anybody to therads, so i go with Mancini by UD

Frank B.

TKO11
01-29-2006, 01:10 AM
I was a big fan of both these guys, and have great respect for their individual talents. This would be a terrific matchup, the aggressive bruiser against the speedy boxer. Neither was particularly great, but both had the tools to trouble most lightweights throughout history.

Davis had everything it would take to outscore Mancini, but I am going with Boom Boom for one reason only - Ray came up big when it mattered, and Davis did not. Even in losing (Arguello, both Bramble fights) Mancini fought his guts out, and other than those tow fights he passed every gut check he faced (though some would argue the gut-checks weren't all that challenging). Davis delivered once (and got jobbed in the decision) but by-and-large just couldn't come up with the required performance when it was needed most.

I'll go with Ray. But not by a bunch.

pendleton23
01-29-2006, 02:57 PM
I too would pick Mancini in a close bout.I feel Mancini is very underrated today.Davis is faster but lacks the punch and Mancini could be relentless.

SageBrush
01-30-2006, 12:01 PM
In a way, both, on the way up, would of had a good prep for this, Young Mancini fought Tricky fast smooth boxing Canadian Al Ford, Mancini ultimately proved too strong and persistant in a thriller, Likewise Davis fought Aggressive Puncher "Stormin" Norman Goins, and overcame a Knockdown as i recall to emerge victorious in another thriller, allowing for the obvious improvement in both, i would fancy Mancini to overhaul a Davis Early Lead, to win on points, Howard came within a wisker of beating Rosario, but ray would pressure him more, forcing Howard to put 12 rounds of energrial eggs into a 9 rounds basket so to speak, i Ray does not cut the ring effectivly enough, it will have to be through contant pressure, and i do not think he will have anything to fear from Howards Armoury to impede his forward march, Howard will be pinching points left, right, and centre, initially, but think he will be driven more and more onto the defensive in the second half, and Rays punches whilst fewer landing in the early going, will appear much more effective, in the last third Ray will appear to be the fighter bossing the proceedings, and its clear Howard has neither the strenth of Solid hitting on the counter of a Bramble, Ray on a close, but clear points decision for me, he just may not be able to corner slippery Howard enough to make the maths irrelevant.

hawk5ins
09-25-2006, 05:04 PM
And when I was a kid in the early to mid 80's (by the late 80's I was a very old man), I would never concede that Boom Boom could have beaten John John (Headline for a bout or a gay porn movie?). I did NOT like Mancini and I was a huge Davis fan. Today, I appreciate Mancini in a way that I would never have allowed myself to when I was younger.

Today, I just have to think that Mancini would have out worked Davis. I don't think there was a bout that Howard would have ever been up for more but I just have a feeling, the pressure would have worn down Davis.

Here is what is very funny for me about this feeling that I have now: I think Edwin Rosario is clearly a superior fighter to Mancini. I had Davis winning his bout with Rosario, albeit very closely. Even with the 12th round knockdown, I think Howard pulled it out.

Add to this the fact that I feel Davis would be up for a bout with Mancini, even moreso than he was for Rosario. Yet I still think Ray pulls this out.

Man I wish this bout would have come off. Given how much at the time I disliked Mancini, I was elated when Bramble beat him. Yet I was dissapppointed so much that it wasn't Davis that did it to him. I felt the same way about when Stevie Cruz beat McGuigan. I so wanted that to have been Azumah Nelson.

Hawk

Husker
10-14-2006, 02:31 AM
I would like to propose an experiment.

Since I happen to know that Mr.Hawkins resides on the eastern seaboard of the USA, I want a poster in California to start a thread on Davis or Larry Holmes at 12am, Pacific time. I will bet cash money that the Hawk will wake suddenly, rub the crust from his eyes and stagger to his computer.

Same goes for me with Donald Curry and Tommy Hearns. I turn into a stuttering rendition of Kramer getting told about a catfight.

I too have grown to appreciate Ray Mancini for more than what I saw as a glorified clubfighter in my teens and TKO11's suggestion that he rose to the occasion whereas HD didn't is compelling. But Davis was good enough to beat some champion somewhere and in a scintillating, fast-paced bout, this is it for me.

Of course I also thought Davis won every single round between kd's vs Rosario and I was wrong on 16 out of my last 21 real fights,too, so credibility might be an issue...

Petey
10-14-2006, 05:35 AM
Ray's volume and persistance combined with Howard's bad luck overcome Davis' skill. Mancini by decision.