View Full Version : De La Hoya-Mayorga Results & Discussion 5/6/06

05-06-2006, 10:38 AM
Per usual we will post the results immediately upon the conclusion of the bout, We will also post updates during the fight as needed. Please keep all discussion of this card to this thread.

Redundant threads will be deleted.




05-06-2006, 06:11 PM
Btw: we should all thank Dig, our webmaster & board administrator for doing this tonight. I've done it many times but both Dig & Daddy Mo Fo who have been doing it lately truly do an excellent job & are much better at it than I am.

& I gotta say from experience it isn't that easy to do reporting every round & still not missing any of the action.

A Tip O' The Fedora to stalwarts like Dig & Daddy Mo Fo, for doing this on a regular basis to keep the board informed on big fight nights. The CBZ considers this part of it's mandate to all boxing fans especially the ones that can't buy a PPV for any number of reasons.


05-06-2006, 08:55 PM
guess were about ready to go here. i know my mercenary buddy "the bucket" says he don't care who wins but my blood is starting to get up for this one.

good luck with the coverage dig. will check you out after the fight...got the red bull ready? whether you guys are going with red bull or green bowl i am pulling for DLH tonite. enjoy the action!

05-06-2006, 09:33 PM
In the first of the undercards, Paez Jr takes a 4 round UD over Brownfield. Paez is a bit of a clown (no surprise). He showed some skill but clearly frustrated not to continue his 7 KO streak.

05-06-2006, 09:34 PM

Just because I don't care who wins don't mean my blood isn't boiling & I can't wait to see it. I love boxing it's been a big part of my life for 49 years.

But I'm a boxing writer & being objective is part of the drill. Crazed fans don't make for good boxing writers ...

Plus I like not getting emotionally involved in the outcome. I dislike Mayorga also & I have respect for Oscar but so what?

May the best MAN win.


05-06-2006, 10:18 PM
In a lopsided bore, Guzman riddled the durable Jauregui with shots for 10 unneccessary rounds to a UD. Guzman to his credit looked great as he threw many many combinations and moved well but you just wish he had some power to get his man out of there.

05-06-2006, 10:43 PM
Ouma in a very rough start in round 1 where he was wobbled and KDd, rallied back in the subsequent 4 rounds consistently beating Rubio to the punch who is starting to look tired. Rubio came in tonight at 171 to Oumas 160 or so, digusting. The weight which seemed to set the tone early for Rubio may be coming back to haunt him.

05-06-2006, 10:58 PM
More of the same for the following 3 rounds, Rubio showed a bit more life but Ouma keeps pouring it on.

05-06-2006, 11:11 PM
Good evening everyone! Ill be relieving Dig, who was able to cover for me due to a prior engagment (thanks dig) so I will being upon after the Rubio - Ouma bout.

05-06-2006, 11:17 PM
Each round is a replay of the previous. This fight looked real interesting back in the first whem Rubio showed Ouma no respect but he changed gears after that as he assumed the durable opponent role for the remainder of the fight as he didn't win a single round afterwards IMO.

The verdict was a surprising SD for Ouma.
Rubio took one card 117-111...had to be a blatant mistake or done by one handicapped with intoxication.

05-06-2006, 11:30 PM
Thanks Dig, and welcome Daddy now give me a Golden Boy win - please

05-06-2006, 11:33 PM
DLH enters the ring first, dressed in blue and gold velvet, Mayorga a little slow to enter, DLH looks like the looser of the two, Mayorga looks very calm as he walks toward the ring, dressed in black. Crowd is pro DLH, all cheers for Oscar, e boos for Mayorga. Jay Nady is the ref and asks if there are any anthems to be sung, the anser is no, and off we go.

05-06-2006, 11:35 PM
Round 1-Mayorga DLH knocks Mayorga down 1 minute in!

Off The River
05-06-2006, 11:38 PM
Damn, I never saw that coming!!!!!!

05-06-2006, 11:38 PM
end of round 1-left hook is what knocked doen Mayorga, he got stunned again by another DLH shot. Mayorga grabbed DLH to weather it, he just looked outclassed. Mayorga's shots were rolled of by DLH

05-06-2006, 11:41 PM
Wow! I can't believe how sharp Oscar looks!


05-06-2006, 11:42 PM
Round 2-Mayorga looks hesistant and confused, he cant hit DLH cleanly at all. DLH is technically superior in every respect and countering effectivly, delivering nice clean shots at the end of the round. DLH round easily

05-06-2006, 11:46 PM
Round 3-DLH fights smart, clean, and gets hit by Mayorga's only clean shot so far, an uppercut that snaps Oscars head back a little, DLH counters with a nice combo, DLH still wins the round IMO.

05-06-2006, 11:48 PM
Mrs. Bucket just said said she can't believe how hot Oscar looks. Women, can't live with them, can't herd them all to Canada ...


05-06-2006, 11:50 PM
Round 4-DLH continues to pace the fight w/ counterpunching; everytime Mayorga punchs, DLH blocks evverything with his gloves and arms, countering nicley with clean shots. DLH wins 4th.

05-06-2006, 11:52 PM
Im singing in the rain -- GO GO Golden boy.

05-06-2006, 11:54 PM
Round 5- minor headbutt, not a big deal. Mayorga gets warned for Rabbit punches again at the end of the round by Nady. DLH just dominated Mayorga the whole round. Mayorga looking frustrated and a little tired, Im expecting to see a late round KO by DLH.

05-06-2006, 11:55 PM
Round 6-Down goes Mayorgha!

05-06-2006, 11:56 PM
Its over!!!

05-06-2006, 11:57 PM
DLH throws about 40 punches and its all over!!!Mayorga cant answer with anything and hes done, Nady stops it!!

05-06-2006, 11:57 PM
Anyone wanna question a DLH/Floyd match now?

Floyd might have just made the best financial descison of his life. That fight will be HUGE.

Even more so if Mayorga really got 2 million.

05-06-2006, 11:58 PM
A BIG Tip O' The Fedora to Oscar De La Hoya.

I'm impressed, Big Time.


Off The River
05-06-2006, 11:58 PM
Wow! I am impressed at a lot of things with Oscar today. His right hand was sharp, chin great and he was really well composed. I shows what a focused Delahoya is capable of.
By the way, they showed the entire card for free here in Korea!

05-06-2006, 11:59 PM
DLH finds Mayorga in the middle of the ring after the fight and they embrace, the replay od the stoppage shows DLH just going for the kill like a shark, relentless with his punches. Mayorga prob could have continued but he just absoulty beaten and had no will or heart to continue. Overall a complete and though whooping.

05-07-2006, 12:01 AM
Glad he shut that BIG MOUTH up.

Talk was cheap
but he now Bo Peep
Good One Oscar
Now go get some sleep

05-07-2006, 12:05 AM
Btw: River I've been meaning to welcome you to the board ... Now, how did you see the fight for free in Korea? Are you in the army?


05-07-2006, 12:06 AM
Judging from the posts on this thread, it looks like Oscar De
La Hoya regained his old form. I would that that it would
be a great time for De La Hoya to retire if his money is
invested well. It is risky in boxing to stay around a bit too

- Chuck Johnston

Ron Lipton
05-07-2006, 12:06 AM
Soooo glad to hear this, I can't stand that foul trash talk he laid on Oscar in all the pre fight stuff. Building a gate is one thing, being vicious and talking like a punk, something else.

Can't wait to see this. Were the knockdowns legit hard knockdowns?

Clean living, eating, and training hard really paid off. Wow!

He runs 7 miles, boxes 130+ rounds in sparring and it paid off big time.

Smoking, and training less but talking more did NOT pay off tonight eh?

Sooooo Good! OK Oscar, way to go.

05-07-2006, 12:06 AM
Im with you Bucket, this was a complete destruction, and DLH looked awesome doing it. He outclassed and outdid Mayorga in every possible aspect of the fight, pretty much humiliated him. Man o man, DLH Mayweather is gonna be sweet. PBF will have a hard time hitting DLH w/ the defense DLH showed tonight. Great prospective matchup.

Ron Lipton
05-07-2006, 12:11 AM
Sooo good to hear this.

Were they legit and hard knockdowns?

Mayorga went way over the line with his trash talk, building the gate is one thing, slapping him, insulting his woman, etc is just being a punk.

This is great, clean living, boxing 130+rounds, running 7 miles a day as opposed to 5 miles for Mayorga, non smoker v a smoker, polite guy v trash mouth, just beeeeautiful!

Bravo Oscar, one for the good guys tonight eh?

Justice is served! Sweet revenge, boxing skill and focus prevail, just great!
Can't wait to see this.

05-07-2006, 12:11 AM
The KD in the first was a flash KD, but Mayorga really wasent prepared for it and never could get it going. The second KD in the 6th was a fairly decent KD, and Mayorga was so frustrated by this point at not being able land anything and getting beat up for 6 rounds, he had to go a full 2 minutes till the bell. Oscar immediatly went for the kill and Mayorga just had no, NO answer. Nady stopped it; I dont think the KD was that hard, more a prodyct of frustration in Mayorgas case, a culmination of all the punishmant Oscar dished out. Mayorga had not the heart or the will to continue.

Roberto Aqui
05-07-2006, 12:13 AM
Oscar would kill Floyd. Oscar is in the driver's seat and Floyd will be lucky to get 20% at any rate. I suspect the Oscar/Floyd bout cannot be made because Floyd know knows he'll be beat and probably KOed, plus his pride won't let him take the biggest purse of his career if he knows Oscar is getting 4x Floyd's purse.

We'll see. Oscar is the 600 lb gorilla of boxing right now. He will do what he does best, which is close out in mega PPV.

05-07-2006, 12:13 AM

Oscar looked as good as I've EVER seen him. He even used his right & really rocked RM. He showed a LOT of power & superb combinations tonight.

He was brilliant against a very strong, awkward fighter which as you know can be very difficult for an orthodox boxer sometimes.

Btw: Coincedentally, Oscar was the same age tonight as Chavez was when he fought him.

P.s. Dig & Daddy, you guys are the BEST!

Off The River
05-07-2006, 12:14 AM
Thanks Gor. I've been checking out this site for years now and have only recently decided to begin posting. I reall don't have much to say as there is such a wealth of information and knowledge on the board, I am content to read what everyone has to say.
And no I'm not in the army. I'm just an English teacher. One of the networks shows the fights for free every so often.

05-07-2006, 12:14 AM
Soooo glad to hear this, I can't stand that foul trash talk he laid on Oscar in all the pre fight stuff. Building a gate is one thing, being vicious and talking like a punk, something else.

Can't wait to see this. Were the knockdowns legit hard knockdowns?

Clean living, eating, and training hard really paid off. Wow!

He runs 7 miles, boxes 130+ rounds in sparring and it paid off big time.

Smoking, and training less but talking more did NOT pay off tonight eh?

Sooooo Good! OK Oscar, way to go.

I am 100% with you on that one Ron. Its one thing to try and unnerve the other guy but leave his family out of it. There has to be a limit if your any sort of a MAN.

Sorry about my words early on but i really wanted that punks mouth closed. Anyway the result was worth perhaps a WARNING :)

05-07-2006, 12:16 AM
Oscar De La Hoya has been a huge drawing card for a long time.

- Chuck Johnston

05-07-2006, 12:24 AM
They didn't touch gloves beforehand, but the beaten Mayorga was humble.

"You are a great champion," Mayorga said to De La Hoya. "You are a great fighter. I apologize for everything I said to you."

"I forgive you," De La Hoya replied.

That was off the AP wire. Man, sometimes the good guys DO win. I will sleep well tonight.

05-07-2006, 12:25 AM
This fight says a lot about DLH.
The ending was not a surprise to me at all but the manner in which it happened was.

Mayorga was in much better shape than when in with Tito. He fought DLH much more intellegently than did Tito as he went to the body hard and steadily when head hunting wasn't going so well.

DLH to his credit stood and delivered as he said he would. Granted it was Mayorga in front of him but his right hand looked better than I've ever seen it. He was a bit too eager with the left hook but I'll take it as it still is one of the best in the sport. From the opening bell it was clear that DLH was here for blood. He looked very tough, sharp as one could possibly gauge from fighting a crazed gorilla and relaxed.

I think a fight with PBF is only natural and could very well be a toss up as I think DLH will lay it all on the table for that one. I hope it comes down because I have very little interest in him seeking revenge on Tito or taking on Winky. Great fight and an absolute necessity after last week's flop.

05-07-2006, 12:29 AM
de la hoya after all the tough talk from mayorga was too much man too much consumate professional for the wild swinging ricardo.

oscar showed real class in going over to mayorgas corner and embracing him. he had every right to laugh in his face.

that initial lefthook in the first round was a great attitude adjusting tool. any thoughts of ricardo making oscar go pssssss went out the window right then. it looked like mayorga was the one about to piss his pants. de la hoya may not be the puncher he was at lightweight but nobody that comes at him face first at 154 is going to last long either.

oscar had ricardo bleeding from the mouth which nobody seemed to mention. when a bully tastes his own blood something amazing always seems to happen. THAT was a very satisfying knockout!

05-07-2006, 12:40 AM
Thank you Daddy and Dig for the commentary on the fights. If it was not for you guys i would be lost over here in UK. Well gentlemen its now 5.30 am over here and i am now going to bed,
Night Lads

HE Grant
05-07-2006, 12:41 AM
Oscar is simply amazing...he fights guys he does not have to fight ...tonight he was great. He beat Mayorga up in a very dramatic fashion....after the fact it looks so logical but coming in who knew ?

Let Oscar fight Mayweather..if he loses, big deal. Floyd will not stop him. If he wins it will be a decision. A passing of the torch in a way. In addition, with his size and power advantages, maybe Oscar surprises us again.

In my opinion I have him only losing once in his entire career. I feel he got robbed against Tito and in both Shane fights. Maybe the first Shane fight is a draw. Whatever. The man has amazing spirit. Tonight was a great night for him and for the sport.

05-07-2006, 12:47 AM
Oh Man! Tonight was one of the more satisfying PPVs I bought in a long time, despite have no undercard worth watching. After all the pre fight hoopla, watching DLH rise to the occasion left me with a great feeling. He was so focused, stayed right in the lion's den and beat the heart out of Mayorga. He looked FAR better than Trinadad against Mayorga. Props to Oscar.


05-07-2006, 01:18 AM
Well the result didn't surprise me. De la Hoya is just too good all-around for a free-swinging brawler like Mayorga, though I did not expect De La Hoya to do a better job on Mayorga than Trinidad did...I cannot wait to watch it next weekend!

As to a bout with Mayweather...well excellent, fast boxers have always given De La Hoya problems...Whitaker and Mosley prime examples. As much as I dislike him I would still give Mayweather the edge over De La Hoya because of his speed, but it would probably be the most difficult bout of his career!

Mayorga was the type of fighter made for De La Hoya to look great against and his only chance would have been to land a bomb. What is most ridiculous of all is that there are still people out there who will call De La Hoya a puss. De la Hoya is an all-time great and if someone thinks that a boxer with the record against the type of competition that Oscar has faced is a puss then I would really like to see who that person would consider the ultimate "machismo" fighter!

05-07-2006, 01:26 AM
Even though this was one of the worst undercards I can remember, I was downright giddy that Mayorga got the one-sided beatdown he so richly deserved. DeLaHoya couldn't miss, he mixed up his punches, and looked tremendous in the ring. His defense was sharp as well and even when he threw the 30-40 punch flurry to take Mayorga out, it seemed as if the last punch was thrown as hard as the first one. His conditioning was excellent tonight.

Everyone seems to want a Mayweather fight, but depending on what happens next week, I think DeLaHoya-Hatton at 147 might be a better fight.


05-07-2006, 01:36 AM
I agree with you BDeskins, when I heard about this fight, my first thought was brilliant match making by the DLH team. This guy was tailor made for him. Stands straight up, no defense. Frankly who has Mayorga ever beaten except for Forrest who fought the completely wrong fight agents him? He is a tough guy but he is not a boxer just a brawler.

Although it was an impressive victory I don't see it as one of DLH best fights. Anyway I think the DLH in his prime might have had a chance against Floyd I just don't think at this age he will beat him, though I will be rooting hard for him if they get it on.

Steward was saying throughout the fight that although DLH looked good he still seemed a little rusty, and I wonder how this would effect him when he fights a guy as quick as Mayweather.

Anyway it was a fun fight while it lasted.

05-07-2006, 01:37 AM
Good job to De La Hoya. If he fights Floyd– and beats him– he may want to take on Hatton (in the states) then call it a career. Could you imagine if he fought both of those guys this year? Damn, talk about going out on top.

Still, I don't know who wins De La Hoya VS. Mayweather. Oscar will not see Floyd's shots coming from a mile away, that's for sure.

05-07-2006, 02:32 AM
BTW i was not sure what emanuel steward was saying. in the first round he was saying oscar looked like a proffesional fighting an amateur. then while mayoga is getting his ass kicked by a very poised and calculating DLH emanuel is saying oscar looks rusty THEN in the wind up he is heard saying oscar fought a perfect fight..so WTF was he saying???

05-07-2006, 02:43 AM
If you pay attention to any of the cheerleaders then you've already lost the battle. The trick is to pay as little attention to the HBO commentary as possible. I wouldn't have made it through all the Ouma war stories without slitting my wrists tonight if I hadn't. I dread whem Ouma fights just for that. Ouma is Lampley's friggin personal superhero.

05-07-2006, 03:49 AM
This Golden Boy triumph erases '04 knockout loss
By Dan Rafael

LAS VEGAS -- For months, Ricardo Mayorga tried to get inside Oscar De La Hoya's head with his taunts and his threats. Then, when it came time to fight, De La Hoya went upside his.

Returning from a 20-month layoff, De La Hoya scored a ferocious sixth-round TKO of Mayorga to win a junior middleweight title Saturday night before an adoring crowd of 13,076 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

It marks the 10th world title in six weight classes that De La Hoya has won and none could be sweeter.

In his last fight, De La Hoya (38-4, 30 KOs) suffered his only knockout loss, on a ninth-round body shot from then-undisputed middleweight champion Bernard Hopkins. But De La Hoya, 33, didn't want to end his career on the canvas and professed all week how important it was for him to go out as a winner and champion.

He succeeded in grand style.

After standing up to Mayorga's wild, initial assault, De La Hoya put on a brutal display.

He dropped Mayorga (27-6-1) with a right hand followed by a huge left hook in the first round. Mayorga rose but walked into another hail of shots and was about to go down for a second time when De La Hoya ripped him with another right hand, but Mayorga grabbed on to De La Hoya to stay up.

"I was hitting him with my right hand and he felt the power," De La Hoya said. "No matter what, I was going to stand up to him and let him know right away that I was here to fight. I had to show the bully that I wasn't going to back down."

It was more dominance from De La Hoya in the second round. He threw a seven-punch flurry that sent Mayorga into the ropes in a daze with 30 seconds to go.

Mayorga's only positive moment came in the third, when an uppercut stunned De La Hoya, but De La Hoya had done more than enough to win the round.

For the rest of the fight, De La Hoya fed Mayorga a steady diet of left hooks and right hands, many that landed so easily it was as though Mayorga had never heard of defense.

De La Hoya landed 116 of 264 punches (44 percent), and limited Mayorga to landing just 58 of 333 blows (17 percent).

"When I threw my punches and was hitting him, I could tell he was feeling them because he was wincing," De La Hoya said.

A frustrated Mayorga resorted to trying to hit De La Hoya behind the head as the fifth round ended, but referee Jay Nady issued a stern warning.

It wouldn't matter because De La Hoya ended it in the sixth.

Firing punch after punch, De La Hoya dropped Mayorga to his knees, and although Mayorga got up, he was in bad shape.

De La Hoya pounced on Mayorga immediately and never stopped firing as Mayorga wilted along the ropes. De La Hoya fired 21 punches, landing the majority of them, forcing referee Jay Nady to step in at 1:25.

"Oscar is a very hard puncher," said Mayorga, who was making the first defense of the vacant belt he won last summer. "I'm not hurt. I'm just heartbroken."

The eruption from the pro-De La Hoya crowd when the fight was stopped was electrifying as De La Hoya celebrated in the middle of the ring.

He and Mayorga put their bad feelings aside as they spoke in the ring after the fight.

Mayorga, who also served as the perfect foil and was knocked out by Felix Trinidad in Trinidad's comeback after a long layoff, apologized for the venomous trash talk leading up to the fight.

"He said, 'You're a man,' and he gave me his belt,'" De La Hoya said. "This was a really tough fight."

De La Hoya, who earned at least $8 million to Mayorga's $2 million, said that he picked Mayorga as his opponent because he needed someone to motivate him, and he figured Mayorga's ruthless words would do the trick.

"The way he was talking about me and my wife and my son, Gabriel, motivated me to go right at him," De La Hoya said. "I knew he was going to talk bad about me, talk dirty, and that was the motivation I needed to get myself up for this fight."

De La Hoya did a fine job of avoiding Mayorga's wild shots with his tight defense.

"We have worked on blocking punches and on my defense for all the years I have been with [trainer Floyd Mayweather Sr.]. Tonight it all clicked," De La Hoya said. "He fought recklessly, but I stood my ground and he saw I wouldn't back down."

HBO will rebroadcast the bout next Saturday night (9:45 ET) along with the live Luis Collazo-Ricky Hatton welterweight title bout.

Before the fight, De La Hoya said he would either retire after the fight or after a Sept. 16 bout against an opponent to be named.

After the glorious victory, he was undecided about his future.

"The fight just ended, so I will have to talk to my people and see where we're going to go and see what's next," he said. "There are a lot of emotions right now, so I can't really say."

The opponent many want to see is pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr., the son of De La Hoya's trainer. It would be a mega fight with a juicy storyline.

"I respect Mayweather Sr., so I will sit and talk to him and my people, and myself alone, and think through every scenario -- where will be the glory, which guy will be the best for me and whether or not it is even worth it," De La Hoya said.

Dan Rafael covers boxing for ESPN.com.

05-07-2006, 03:56 AM
De La Hoya-Mayorga: When the Smackeroos are Worth the Smacks

by Phil Woolever from Sweet Science

LAS VEGAS –Boxing business is often the ultimate risk-reward situation. That's not even counting the life, death,*or fame and fortune extremes.

So it was for Oscar De La Hoya, who returned to boxing and looked quite strong scoring a 6th round blast out against unpredictable Ricardo Mayorga before a frenzied sellout swarm of 13,076*at the MGM Grand Garden.

"I told him I forgave him for everything he did before the fight," said De La Hoya, who positioned himself for a proposed grand finale fight on September 16th, possibly against Floyd Mayweather Jr,, who was ringside in hopes of closing the megabuck deal.

"He tried to fight me recklessly. My message was, I was going to stand up to the bully. This guy was perfect for the defense I've been working on. I was blocking all his punches. I knew I had some power."

"Oscar is a very hard puncher,” said Mayorga, whose head must have really been ringing, "I am not hurt, I'm just heartbroken."

Nothing was for certain regarding Mayorga until the fight began. He continued to look intense but troubled.*

A*solid win was the last step toward his*gala exit, but if De La Hoya found himself in the inevitable position of all fighters who hung around too long, the main question would become how he decided to go out.

Nobody could say for sure how De La Hoya would show up, coming off twenty months*in a comfortable family circle since his last bout.*Judging from some fierce exchanges, he still has plenty left.

For De La Hoya, now 38-4 (30),*it was a chance to replace the image of his stoppage loss to Bernard Hopkins in a result where many questioned De La Hoya's heart, despite his history of facing top opponents.

Mayorga, 28-6-1 (23),*exhibited plenty of reservations about*getting*a fair market share for his performance with a threatened pull-out. He*showed up*in solid shape, presumably enticed by the potential spoils of victory.*As the whirlwind action began, it became clear he had indeed*come to win.

De La Hoya,*153˝,*and Mayorga, 153˝,*took the evening spotlight on a Kentucky Derby weekend where the Strip and its nearby satellite sideshows made the central tourist area a seemingly endless Cinco de Mayo party zone that extended for miles. Major stunt cycle jumps and casino expansion block parties added to the open-air, multi-ringed circus.

Inside the*arena, the ring that counted most was the measured square, adorned with a wider variety of sponsors than usual. For the fans, premier ticket and pay-per-view fees*ended up as very cost efficient entertainment.

De La Hoya, decked out in blue*with gold trim, proved he was still a top attraction.

Mayorga roared out behind wild swings that were neutralized by De La Hoya's well composed jab and follow up rights. A left hook blur dropped Mayorga in the first frame and it was further downhill for the defending WBC Super Welterweight titlist from there.

Mayorga didn't go gently. He landed many overhand conks, often to the back of De La Hoya's head, but he also showed*the renowned chin and emotional fury that made him a dangerous fighter until he was stopped.

Mayorga was staggered many times, but he still cranked it up and threw back as they stood on the Bacardi canvas logo and brought the crowd to their feet. De La Hoya backed Mayorga into the bright red ropes, but Mayorga*hung tougher and tougher during the third and fourth frames.

De La Hoya*seemed to sweep the scorecards, but it was no*easy task.*Actually, two judges gave Mayorga the third round. Otherwise it was all Golden.

In the sixth, De La Hoya made Mayorga do a drunken shuffle from four right hands. A half a dozen more dropped Mayorga in De La Hoya's corner. De La Hoya swarmed in with a classic extended flurry and ref Jay Nady waved it off at 1:25.

For De La Hoya, the victory means a lot more chips to play or walk away with, for*one more big fiesta in the Fall.

Speculation remains to whether*Mayorga's personal fall was premature, a significant accomplishment, or easy to see coming.

In the fight game, like many sporting gambles, perspective is often obscured.

Tonight, De La Hoya still*saw*glory in his gloved hands. Mayorga saw stars, and not just "Rocky" at ringside.

"The fact that he talked so much really motivated me. We'll have to wait and see what I'll do. I have to be by myself and really think about some things. I have to see if it's worth fighting again."

See you in September.**

For*De La Hoya, the venture posted significant gains in his earning power and historical standing.*

As it turned out*for the humbled Mayorga, whatever his earnings,*the price of victory*was too high, and too far out of his reach.

05-07-2006, 04:04 AM
De La Hoya Destroys Mayorga in Return

By Sammy Rozenberg from Boxing Scene
After it was all said and done, one thing was certain when the smoke cleared -*Oscar De La Hoya* (38-4,*30 KOs)*is still the*biggest draw in boxing. The*MGM Grand Garden Arena*in Las Vegas, Nevada was buzzing all week with anticipation for Oscar's return after a 20-month layoff. The stars*were out, hundreds*of fighters were in attendance and*thousands of fans*bought tickets. *
After months of trash talking by Ricardo Mayorga (28-6-1, 23KOs) and*near brawls at press conferences, De La Hoya made his return to the ring against one of the wildest fighters in the game to capture his ninth world title in six different weight divisions. Some of the critics thought he was off for too long, he was too old, Mayorga was too strong, but Oscar De La Hoya proved all of them wrong.
It was a marvelous return as De La Hoya picked up*his best victory since he knocked out Fernando Vargas in 2002.
The first round began with a bang as Mayorga was talking trash before the start of the first round, the two men did not touch gloves and the fight was on. It was a minute into the first round when De La Hoya erased any doubt about his punching power when a picture perfect left hook dropped Mayorga down to the mat. The scourge of Nicaragua was able to beat the count, but he was never the same fighter for the remainder of the bout as he became a defensive fighter.
In the third round, Mayorga had his best round as he landed an uppercut that pushed back the head of De La Hoya and managed to land several hard punches. When the fourth round began, De La Hoya went right back to work with combinations and right hands that barely ever missed their mark as Mayorga was a very stationary target.
The beginning of the sixth round was the begging of the end for Mayorga, who was blasted with a left hook that was followed by a barrage of punches that sent him back down to the canvas. Mayorga beat the count, but was visibly hurt as De La Hoya jumped on him with numerous unanswered punches on Mayorga while trapping him against the ropes. As Mayorga was about to collapse to the canvas for his third trip, referee Jay Nady had to jump in*and rip De La Hoya off Mayorga to call a halt to the bout.
De La Hoya won the respect of Mayorga, who gave him accolades after the bout.
With the victory, De La Hoya captured the WBC*154 pound title, the ninth world title of his career in his sixth weight division. The plan now is for Oscar De La Hoya to face Floyd Mayweather, Jr., the recognized pound for pound fighter in the sport. The bout is rumored to take place in September, which will mark the final bout of De La Hoya's career. While most insiders felt the two would meet at 147 pounds, it appears more likely that the two men will met at an agreed upon weight between welterweight and junior middleweight.
The bout with Mayweather is not set in stone as De La Hoya's trainer, Floyd Mayweather Sr., said that he would do everything in his power to discourage De La Hoya from fighting his son.
The only two scenarios that would*generate the most money for Oscar is if Winky Wright defeats*Jermain Taylor in June or Fernando Vargas defeats his promotional partner Shane Mosley in July.*The problem with making a fight with Vargas or Wright is meeting the target date in September.*Whether or not Vargas or Wright win and want the fight with De La Hoya,*it*may be*difficult*for them to properly train in order to make*the September date. The other problem is giving the promoters enough time to properly promote the pay-per-view, the last of De La Hoya's career.
"I will sit down with my trainer, Floyd Mayweather, with my wife,*with my team and see what my next move will be,"*De La Hoya said.*
On the undercard,
After suffering a first round knockdown, Kassim Ouma (24-2-1, 15KOs) got off the deck and boxed his way to a*twelve round split decision over Marco Antonio Rubio (32-3-1, 29 KOs).*The scores were*116-111 for Ouma, 117-110 for Ouma and*a mind-boggling 114-113*for Rubio.
Joan Guzman (25-0, 17KOs)*scored an easy ten round decision over*Javier Jauregui (51-13-2, 35KOs). The scores were 100-90, 100-90 and*99-91, all for Guzman. Guzman*was unable to make the 131*pound contracted weight for the fight, and was forced to pay Jauregui $6,000 dollars of his purse.
Undefeated Lightweight prospect Jorge Paez Jr. (9-0, 8KOs)*scored a four round decision over Lowell Brownfield (7-1, 2KOs).*The scores were*40-36, 39-37 and 40-36, all for Paez. The bout marked the first time Paez went the distance.
Undefeated former*Olympian*Rock Allen (7-0, 5KOs) won a six round decision over Juan Hernandez (2-2, 0KOs). The scores were 60-54 on all three cards, all for Allen.
Junior featherweight Jonathan Oquendo (9-0, 5KOs)*scored a decision over*Torrence Daniels (5-2-1, 2KOs) in an eight round contest. The scores were 78-74, 78-74 and*79-73, all for Oquendo.
Featherweight Saul Ochoa (4-2-1, 2KOs)*upset undefeated prospect*Aaron Garcia (7-1, 2 KOs) by way of third round TKO. Ochoa*caught Garcia with a big punch in the third to put him down. Garcia was able to beat the count, but never fully recovered as he was eating enough punches to force a stoppage.

05-07-2006, 04:23 AM
Just like the Tito-Mayorga fight, don't look TOO much into this fight. As I've stated before, Mayorga is NOT a world class fighter; he's a good tough gatekeeper who hit the jackpot one night and then in my opinion lost every fight against a truly world class opponent since then (including the Forrest rematch). Tito I think looked even more explosive and 'back to top form' following his destruction of Ricky Ricardo (although it was a slightly more competetive fight) but look what happened vs Wright.

Maywheather''s speed and skills will be a BIG change for the Golden Boy. That being said, Oscar's best assett vs Floyd is actually his size and strength, which is funny since Oscar has often been the smaller man in the 2nd half of his career. Still, after tonight I still see Floyd beating Oscar over the distance in a good tactical fight.

05-07-2006, 08:37 AM
Im still waiting to find out what the PPV numbers were, but looking ahead to a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, it was obvious Mayweather sacrafices speed with every pound he puts on, if this fight happens at 154, a) how much weight can PBF pack on with his scrawny frame, and b) how much would that effect his speed? No just the speed to punch, but the speed to defend from DLH's shots as well, and who is light years ahead of any body PBF has fought who has been bigger than him. I think its a complex matchup, one where you could prognosticate many outcomes to that are all possible.
At 154, I think Oscar has a good shot to knock PBF out.

05-07-2006, 08:48 AM
I enjoyed Oscar standing flat footed and throwing fast hard combinations, its the most aggressive DLH performance I can think of; made a nice change from say the first Mosley fight where they touched gloves about twenty times more than Mayorga landed clean punches in the fight tonight.

Oscar talked all about legacy in his post fight interview - What could Oscar do at this point in his career that would elevate his standing in 'history'?

Mayweather doesn't really do it for me - Now what would be interesting was say Winky wins the Middleweight belt - Do you think Oscar would have a second crack at the Middle crown? Winky's been crying out for DLH for years...

It will be interesting to see what he does.

Off The River
05-07-2006, 09:24 AM

I feel that Oscar fought a better fighter than Tito did and was more impressive in winning. He stood toe to toe with him which NO ONE felt he would or could do and beat him from pillar to post.
This Oscar beats floyd. He has too much size skill, chin and power. Floydd has been rocked by Mitchell, Corely and Judah, despite his skill and class in the ring, he has chinks that a guy with Oscars abilities can exploit.
The Oscar we saw tonight beats Mayweather based on the fact that he can stay in the pocket and take Floydds punches and deliver back to him.
I would like ot see the fight, but something tells me Tito will be coming back for a mega showdown.

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05-07-2006, 10:21 AM
Mayweather turned down the Margarito fight for this. When it comes down to it and the money this fight will draw, I think DLH simply can't ignore it. Trainer woes and all.

I also happen to think at 154 DLH will beat Mayweather. He'd have to come down another weight class and even then, I thought DLH had a bit more power since being up at 160. It will be a great fight when it happens.

I'm one of the biggest DLH haters around, but that was one hell of a performence, and I hope he stays around in boxing. Boxing needs De La Hoya right now.

And please, NO TITO. Seriously. I could care less if Tito ever comes back.

Ron Lipton
05-07-2006, 10:31 AM
Thanks Bucket and everyone for your posts, it was just like being there thanks to you guys.

The Zone is the best, the bravest and has the most honest and knowledgeable boxing people.

05-07-2006, 11:18 AM

Those are remarkable shots of our man getting past an important crossroads in his pro career. I can't remember when I enjoyed a "favorite son" performance more. Oscar was razor sharp for this one.

I can't help but feel, at this stage of my life, that I've been had by all the puff and guff peceding the fight. I actually bought into the buildup that magnified the Nicaraguan's chances to score over the dominant figure in present day boxing. It turned out to be a master taking a wayward colleague to the old wood shed. No mistaking the character we saw humble Ricardo-----that's not a "boy" anymore; that was a man doing what comes naturally. NI MODO, AMIGOS!

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05-07-2006, 11:57 AM
Mayorga fought real hard and had his moments, landing some decent rights, body shots, and one hellacious right uppercut, but Oscar dropped him early in the 1st with that lightning left of his and it was an uphill battle for Ricardo from there. Even when Mayorga got going and landed some good shots, you could just tell that Oscar was relaxed, calm, pacing himself well, and very confident. I liked Oscar's style, moving only just enough to make Ricardo fall short, but not using excessive movement. Oscar's puches were crisp, quick and hard, but I think the fight was actually won more on defense than offense, as strange as that sounds. Oscar was able to minimize the effectiveness of Ricardo's punches with his good head movement, slight footwork, and glove and arm lifts so that Mayorga was never really able to have more than brief bright moments. Conversely, Mayorga's defense was not as good, so he could not elude as much as Oscar. That let de la Hoya know that he could pick his moments to burst with combinations and then to be conservative to recharge himself, and when push came to shove he was going to land more and make Mayorga throw and miss more and wear himself out, which enabled Oscar to confidently walk Mayorga down.

It was a very good fight from Oscar, but the question is how he'll do against an A fighter in terms of skill. That's where the Mayweather question comes in. I think Oscar has the height, reach, speed and power, as well as experience and size/strength to deal with Floyd, but you never know, becauase Mayweather is a brilliant fighter in terms of speed, punch selection, and defensive skill. I give Floyd the edge in terms of overall skill, but Oscar the edge in overall physical attributes. Ultimately, I think Floyd is really a blown up featherweight even more so than Oscar and does not have the body frame or power that Oscar had to move up so much in weight, and that ultimately size will tell. Sure Floyd beat Zab, but Judah was kind of on the short side with a chin issue and nowhere near on the level of Oscar.

05-07-2006, 01:57 PM
I don't think Floyd is a sure thing at all, but I'm telling you, Oscar will NOT be able to stand in the pocket like he did vs Mayorga and just beat Maywheather to the punch all night. Floyd is too fast, too many angles etc. Oscar had a lot of trouble vs a blown-up past his prime Mosley, which is the only real comparison you can make. I think the Floyd of the Judah fight with a few more lbs is better than that Mosely.

Just like Wlad-Byrd, this was a fight in which the styles PERFECTLY suited one opponent. A different opponent comes along, BAM totally different outcome.

HE Grant
05-07-2006, 03:10 PM
A huge issue was Oscar's power...too many have said that he had little power at 154 and none at 160...that being the case, how was he going to make Mayorga stay off him ? The answer came in the first round when Oscar almost ended it with a nasty left hook. That was no flash knockdown. That was a cobra fast, dead on shot that nailed the iron chinned Mayorga when he was fresh. From that point on it was a different fight as Mayorga was more hesitant to let go with his shots. Oscar hit him with many hooks and many soild right hands as well.

I personally think that Oscar has plenty left and has a very competitive shot against Mayweather at 154 if he is highly motivated.

Roberto Aqui
05-07-2006, 03:45 PM
I don't think Floyd is a sure thing at all, but I'm telling you, Oscar will NOT be able to stand in the pocket like he did vs Mayorga and just beat Maywheather to the punch all night. Floyd is too fast, too many angles etc. Oscar had a lot of trouble vs a blown-up past his prime Mosley, which is the only real comparison you can make. I think the Floyd of the Judah fight with a few more lbs is better than that Mosely.

True enough, you don't think about the strength of a 154 lb steroid munching, weightlifting Mosely verses the bogus weight of a 154 lb Floyd. Let's see if Floyd has the cajones to make this bout. The poor boy has backed out of ever seminal fight presented to him over the past 3 yrs.

05-07-2006, 04:06 PM
That's simply NOT true, Roberto You let your animus for Floyd get in the way of the facts. I guess your hatred is more valid than the truth.

On this forum we have a Hatton thread where HE turned down Floyd twice. Your upset because he hasn't fought Margarito. So what? Whose Margarito?

He has no draw.

& he JUST beat Zab who was a top 5 welter. You want him to fight Margarito tomorrow? Your simply not being realistic.

& Btw: Guys. Oscar is NOT going to fight Floyd. Floyd has physically hit his ceiling at 147. Remember the guy is only 5'6. & I can't see him fighting Oscar when Oscar is going to take 75% of the purse. Floy wildly overestimates his draw.

I believe the next/last fight for Oscar is going to be Tito or Shane if he looks good in his rematch with Vargas. There's no way Oscar can get back to 147 at his age. There was NO softeness or body fat on him last night. & he's not going to kill himself making 147, weakening himself & giving Floyd a big advantage.

The reality is that it's Tito or Shane. He can make just as much $$$ with them as he would with Floyd. Actually probably more. A Shane fight in LA would be HUGE. & Him & Tito would sell out the MGM & get probably at least 600,000 buys. Plus he would get to avenge one of hiks losses.

Floyd is not gonna happen folks ...


05-07-2006, 04:13 PM
De La Hoya Beats an Apology Out of Mayorga; The Golden Boy Stops The Wild Man in Six
By Doug Fischer from Max Boxing

LAS VEGAS, May 6 – Coming into tonight’s fight Ricardo Mayorga won the war of words during the press tour with a combination of vulgar insults and macho theatrics, however once the bell for the WBC 154-pound title bout rang, it was Oscar De La Hoya who dominated with a combination of punches, punishing the Nicaraguan bully with right hands and left hooks for six brutal rounds.

De La Hoya improved to 38-4 (30) and won his ninth world title by dropping Mayorga twice en route to a one-sided pummeling that referee Jay Nady stopped one minute and 25 seconds into the sixth round. The beating was even worse than the one Felix Trinidad administered to Mayorga in 2004. It was brutal enough to humble the former welterweight champ who called De La Hoya every sexist and homophobic slur from the Big Book of Macho Insults for the past two months.

“You’re a great champion, a great fighter,” Mayorga, now 28-6-1 (23), told De La Hoya when the new title holder visited him as he sat dejected in his corner shortly after the bout was stopped. “I apologize for everything I said to you.”

“I forgive you,” De La Hoya replied.

He wasn’t so benevolent during the fight. De La Hoya scowled at Mayorga after dropping him with a lead right-left hook combination one minute into the first round, and continued to tee off on the cigarette smoking bad boy for the rest of the round.

De La Hoya continued to use Mayorga’s head as a speed bag in the second round, consistently landing sharper straighter punches before his rival could even get off with his wild haymakers. Although Mayorga managed to land a few right hands to the body and head, De La Hoya kept his composure.

In the third round, perhaps Mayorga’s best, the two foes took turns hurting each other with uppercuts. De La Hoya nailed Mayorga with a left uppercut; and later in the round Mayorga rocked De La Hoya with a sweeping right uppercut. However, De La Hoya charged Mayorga with one-two combinations at the bell to take the round.

In rounds four and five, De La Hoya and Mayorga traded heavy leather but it was the multi-division champ who landed more consistently. Just when it appeared that De La Hoya might begin to tire from the fast pace of the fight and Mayorga might work himself into his erratic rhythm, the Golden Boy broke through at the start of the sixth round.

After hurting Mayorga with body shots, De La Hoya drove his rival into his corner where he landed a 10-punch salvo that forced Mayorga to his knees. Mayorga got up at Nady’s count of “eight” but De La Hoya immediately jumped in his chest and got off with non-stop punches that Mayorga tried to roll with but absorbed enough to convince the referee to end the violence.

The victory, which took place in front of more than 13,000 at the MGM Grand’s Garden Arena, was one of De La Hoya’s most satisfying and impressive wins in terms of his offense. Fans have not seen him get off with accurate right hands and uppercuts in conjunction with his powerful left jab and hook since his lightweight days.

“It was a really tough fight,” De La Hoya said. “The way he was talking about my wife and my son Gabriel motivated me to go right at him.

“No matter what, I was going to stand up to him and show him that I was going to fight. I had to show the bully that I wouldn’t back down.”

De La Hoya now has a farewell fight to consider. At the start of the year he said that he would fight for the last time in September of this year. Potential opponents that he has mentioned include four-division title holder Floyd Mayweather Jr., the son of his head trainer, Winky Wright, who fights Jermain Taylor next month for the middleweight title, and Felix Trinidad, who has been rumored to be considering coming out of retirement.

“I have to talk to my people about where we want to go,” De La Hoya said. “Regarding Mayweather, I have to talk to my trainer because I respect Mayweather Sr. I have to sit down and talk with him and look at every scenario and decide what makes the most sense.”

In the co-featured bout of the evening, former IBF 154-pound titlist Kassim Ouma got up from a first-round knockdown to out-work Marco Antonio Rubio en route to a grueling 12-round split decision victory for the mandatory position in the WBC’s junior middleweight rankings.

Ouma, who won by scores of 117-110 and 116-111, with a dissenting vote for Rubio (114-113), was seriously rocked by right hands in the first two rounds but had his Mexican foe backing up with a series of left hands by end of the second round.

From the third round through the sixth, Ouma, who improved to 24-2-1 (15), beat Rubio to the punch and backed him up with sheer volume of punches. Rubio, who dropped to 32-3-1 (29), had his moments with hard counter punches in the middle rounds but often waited too long to land those shots.

Going into the late rounds, both fighters sported bruising and swelling around their eyes. Ouma’s right eye was nearly swollen shut. The bout became a busy back-and-forth contest that both men felt they did enough to earn the decision after the 12th round.

“He got me in the first round with a punch I didn’t see,” Ouma said, “he’s got a lot of power, more than I thought, but I knew if I kept punching and kept fighting that I would be alright and that I would win, and I think I definitely won.”

Rubio acknowledged that it was a tough fight, but as can be expected, felt he should have got the nod.

“It was the hardest fight of my career but I thought I pulled it out,” said Rubio.

In a special 10-round junior lightweight bout, former WBO 122-pound titlist Joan Guzman won a lopsided unanimous decision over former IBF lightweight titlist Javier Jauregui. Guzman, who won by scores of 100-90 (twice) and 99-91, improved to 25-0 (17). Jauregui, who pressed the action in almost every round but found his Dominican foe nearly impossible to hit clean, dropped to 51-13-1 (35).

Guzman began the bout looking absolutely brilliant. The former amateur star was fast and fluid, landing hard four- and five-punch combinations at will while avoiding most (if not all) of Jauregui’s punches with subtle head and upper body movement. Over the next three rounds Guzman bothered his rugged Mexican foe with an educated jab, smooth footwork and well-timed combinations. However, Jauregui is a tough nut and hard fighter to discourage. The Guadalajara native continued to press Guzman behind a hard right hand (and even harder head butt) until he was able to finally land some telling blows in the middle rounds when his opponent began to tire.

Down the stretch, Guzman did as much taunting and showboating as he did punching, but his combinations were no longer furious, they were merely flashy; still, the Dominican Republic native landed more punches than Jauregui, who never stopped trying to cut the ring off on his elusive and crafty foe but wasn’t able to land more than one shot at a time.

With the victory, Guzman has likely earned another televised appearance hopefully against a top fighter in either the featherweight or junior lightweight divisions.

In the opening bout of the HBO Pay-Per-View broadcast, lightweight prospect Jorge Paez Jr. improved to 9-0 (8) by pounding out a unanimous six-round decision over capable but outgunned Lowell Brownfield of Omaha. Paez, the son of the popular former IBF featherweight champ, landed the harder punches through the somewhat competitive scrap. Brownfield drops to 7-1 (2).

On the non-televised undercard, 2004 U.S. Olympian Rock Allen improved to 7-0 (5) with a unanimous six-round decision over tough Juan Hernandez of Los Angeles. The junior welterweight prospect out of Philadelphia pummeled Hernandez, now 2-2, with both hands in every round but could not hurt his rugged but limited opponent.

Junior featherweight prospect Jonathan Oquendo stayed undefeated with a hard-fought six-round unanimous decision over former amateur standout Torrence Daniels. Oquendo had some trouble with Daniels crafty style but the Puerto Rican was the aggressor and the harder puncher throughout the competitive bout. Oquendo improves to 9-0 (5); Daniels, of Colorado Springs, drops to 5-2-1 (2).

In the opening bout of the card, undefeated featherweight prospect Aaron Garcia was shocked by Saul Ochoa, who knocked the former amateur standout out in the third round of a scheduled six rounder. Garcia, of Vista, California, falls to 7-1 (2); Ochoa, of Phoenix, improves to 4-2-1 (2).

Roberto Aqui
05-07-2006, 04:26 PM
That's simply NOT true, Roberto You let your animus for Floyd get in the way of the facts. I guess your hatred is more valid than the truth.

On this forum we have a Hatton thread where HE turned down Floyd twice. Your upset because he hasn't fought Margarito. So what? Whose Margarito?

What is not true?

I really could care less if Floyd has preferred to hide rather than make the biggest purses of his career other than how it applies to his p4p "rank"ing.

Floyd is still with his long time promoter, Arum. Hatton has switched promoters and come to America to make fights happen. Hatton has recently dethroned a long time p4p king, not Floyd. Floyd already stated he would not accept his largest career purse to fight Hatton in England, so Hatton is in America with a new promoter to scare up some interest.

Like I say, the ball is in Floyd's court for over 3 yrs now, and we still wait to see if he's more substance than gas. Lessee, the only credible options he has is Cotto, Margarito, Mosley/Vargas, Hatton, and Oscar.

Geez, sounds like suicide to me!

Juan C Ayllon
05-07-2006, 05:53 PM
I had a great time watching De La Hoya vs. Mayorga Saturday night. Joining my roommate, Martin, who used to fight as an amateur years ago in New York, and Ben Torres, who fought in the Golden Gloves in Ohio many moons ago, we went to a sports bar called "The Stadium" in Schaumburg, Illinois, where we paid $10 each to watch the fights. After we watched the prelims, Ben said that he was happy that he went there, as opposed to paying $50 for PPV.

As I was returning from the restroom just before the main event, I was forced to stand and wait for a waitress, who was seated in my chair working with a customer, to move. The place was tightly packed and as I turned towards Ben, my elbow caught the tray of another server who was coming up behind me, spilling his beers on my coat, some chairs, Ben's nice shoes and the floor. People were quick to hand over napkins and, when my beer order came up, people demanded that I get my beer free of charge. Acknowleging the crowd, the waiter acquiesced, which was nice.

Then, partway through the De La Hoya-Mayorga bout, a strange thing happened: a gal came from the far end of a long table and started slugging another gal who was seated nearby. A table was overturned and several blows were swapped before people quickly intervened. Eventually, both combatants were ejected. We were trying to figure out what happened to trigger the assault, but never did find out.

As for last night's fight, itself, it was a standout moment for Oscar, no doubt. He looked a lot more powerful in there against Mayorga than I'd imagined. He boxed well, although at times he abandoned the jab, and was
a little left hook happy.

I think everyone, not the least Mayorga, was shocked when he knocked Mayorga down with a left hook in the first and repeatedly stung him.

Mayorga landed a little and was warned repeatedly for hitting behind the head. However, De La Hoya did a great job of blocking punches while landing his own.

Personally, I think this is the high note that Oscar should go out on. I would hate to see him go out on a sour note.

Have a good one,

Juan C. Ayllon

HE Grant
05-07-2006, 05:56 PM
I agree with Gor that a Oscar/Matweather fight will be tough to make due to the huge egos of both involved.

05-07-2006, 06:05 PM

Who wants to see Mosley-Oscar III? The rematch was pretty boring and I don't see much fan interest there. Vargas-Mosley didn't even sell out and Fernando's fanbase only saved that from completely tanking. Tito-Oscar II could make a lot of money but I haven't heard anything about Trinidad coming out for that one; it's not like he needs the money.

Maywheather-Oscar is THE biggest fight in boxing by far. I think their egos ensure that it WILL happen; shame on them if percentages stop it from happening. I agree Oscar could never make 147 again, but what about a catch weight of 150 with a 2 lb layaway give or take? A few lbs won't make too much of a difference as Oscar come fight night will have at least 10 lbs on Floyd anyway. It's Robinson-LaMotta I all over again but due to the styles and ages of the fighters I don't see the fight following that script. And remember, Oscar has simply gained weight with age but is not a true light middleweight. Floyd and the Golden Boy both started out fighting in the 130s.

Juan C Ayllon
05-07-2006, 07:40 PM
I found the following piece, which Frank Baltazar forwarded to me, an enjoyable read, save the bit about a T-Shirt depicting De La Hoya knocking Macho Camacho out (he won a lopsided decision over Hector):

De La Hoya Proves a Certain Guy Wrong (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers7may07,1,1826977.column?coll=la-headlines-sports)

05-07-2006, 09:01 PM
I really don't understand why anyone would expect Oscar to fight Shane again.

Shane's smile was lighting up the room from the 1st onward and he was in the ring after with a huge smile as well. If he wont fight Mayweather becuase of the father son thing, why would he fight his business partner now?

One thing for sure is that if this fight went the other way, I don't think we'd see Mayorga as Golden Boy's South American representitive...

Hagler04 - I disagree with your statement DLH is not a true Light Middle, he's more than grown into the weight now. At the weigh in he looked as ripped and lean as he could be without wilting - He knocked Mayorga around the ring with more authority than Tito did in my opinion, Tito was also dropped, DLH took barley four or five clean shots all night, and one of those was the headbut and two of them were to the back of the head.

When DLH fought Vargas he was still aclimatising, but I think he's settled at 154.

05-08-2006, 10:18 AM
De La Hoya weighs mega-finale vs. Mayweather
Posted 5/7/2006 9:39 PM ET
By Chuck Johnson, USA TODAY

LAS VEGAS — Oscar De La Hoya's plan for an encore is still anyone's guess after his sixth-round technical knockout of Ricardo Mayorga to capture the WBC super welterweight title.

There's even the possibility the Golden Boy has fought his last fight.

"We will have to wait and see," said De La Hoya (38-4, 30 knockouts). "A lot of emotions are running through my head. I will let a few days go by and think about it. I will sit down with my family, my wife and by myself alone to figure out what I'm going to do. I will have to see if it's worth fighting again."

"Oscar looked great," acknowledged unbeaten Floyd Mayweather Jr., a hopeful opponent for an eight-figure payday should De La Hoya decide to fight Sept. 16, previously marked for his mega-fight farewell.

"It's about two living legends meeting," said Mayweather, 29. "That fight is history. It's about legacy, and Oscar has never been scared of legacy. To leave out on top beating Floyd Mayweather would be brilliant for him and having Oscar's name on my roster would be unbelievable also. The Golden Boy vs. Pretty Boy is a tremendous matchup." [More (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2006-05-07-de-la-hoya_x.htm?POE=SPOISVA)]

05-08-2006, 10:19 AM
DLH didn't have the rust I had anticipated and Mayorga wasn't quite the fighter or the danger he appeared to be....

That said, I still hope Oscar decides that's enough...It wouldn't be a bad way to end it for him. Hindsight being 20/20, Mayorga was perfect for Oscar...he may not, at 33, get that luxury again.

I don't think he'll follow my advice to:

Call it a day and count your money.

dancing hero
05-08-2006, 12:20 PM
Oscar done a good job on Mayorga which I liked because Mayorga shoots his mouth too much. Hey, do it after the fight when you win, not look stupid when you get whipped. Oscar showed good power and was the man coming forward in range. I'd like an Oscar-Floyd match if they themselves are interested. Oscar showed he still got something left though Mayorga is a wild puncher who's always off balance and lacks skills. Floyd has all the skill you could want. Floyd would be the favourite of course at this stage but he's not unbeatable imo and Oscar has faced bigger stronger opponents and Floyd probably wouldn't hurt him to any degree that he couldn't cope with. Judah knocked Mayweather off balance so Oscar may be able to do the same and capitalize. It may also depend on what weight they meet at as Floyd's just moved to 147 and Oscar is 154. Maybe a catchweight about 150 each inside the 154 limit. I'd take Floyd to win over 12 rounds in a good fight.

05-08-2006, 01:40 PM
They didn't touch gloves beforehand, but the beaten Mayorga was humble.

"You are a great champion," Mayorga said to De La Hoya. "You are a great fighter. I apologize for everything I said to you."

"I forgive you," De La Hoya replied.

That was off the AP wire. Man, sometimes the good guys DO win. I will sleep well tonight.

The true heart and soul of boxing. Dlh was awsome, and made few if any mistakes. With the exception of the uppercut, Mayorga did little damage to Oscar. It appears that the primary candidates for Oscar's farewell bout are PBF, Winky Wright, Hitman Hatton, El Feroz and Tito Trinidad. Tito has already said he is not coming out of retirement, and quite frankly after watching DLH destroy Mayorga, I don't balme him. Papa Floyd has already said that he will not be in the corner of DLH if he fights PBF, and DLH has already said that he will not fight without Floyd Sr. in his corner. El Feroz has a fight with Sugar Shane coming up, and their previous contest wasn't that spectacular. I don't believe that Hatton wants to go over 147. Therefore, I'm thinking the best contest and most $$$ would be against Winky Wright. This would be a positive for both fighters. Wright is not a big puncher, and he gave a boxing lesson the Tito. If Oscar beats him, he redeems himself for the loss to Tito. Just a thought:D

05-08-2006, 03:42 PM
Hey Guys,

I was there at ringside - eight rows back.

Incredible fight from that vantage point. De La Hoya was punching like a man possessed and I was stunned, flabbergasted - or whatever other adjective you would like to use - by the incredible power he was getting behind his shots. Near the end he was loading up on everything and it was BOOM! SNAP! KAPOW! I was also stunned at how Oscar was able to scrape off 20 months worth of rust to shine like he did.

Say what you want about Mayorga, but the guy has two things that kept him in there - heart and balls. He was never right after being down in the first, yet he continued to hang in there and try to win while absorbing some tremendous shots. Mayorga got his own licks in as well and he did a pretty good job to De la Hoya's body.

I spoke to Floyd Mayweather, Jr. after the fight. Floyd doesn't want any other fight except De La Hoya - period. Oscar was pretty evasive about what his plans are and he disclosed that he has a torn left rotator cuff which is going to need surgery at some point. He said it has been damaged for about three years but now it's to the point that after about nine rounds of sparring he has to stop because of the pain.

My personal feeling on an Oscar vs. Floyd fight? It would be huge - a super/mega fight. It will generate $100 million in my view between the live gate, PPV and foreign rights. I've seen both Oscar and Floyd fight in person. Based on what I have seen up close and personal - I say Oscar beats Floyd - but then I thought Mayorga would beat Oscar - so what the hell do I know?


05-08-2006, 03:59 PM
Who took those great photos? Can we use one or two in the BoxRec Fight page, giving due credit, of course?

05-08-2006, 05:35 PM
I realy have no idea what to take from this bout. I did not bother paying for it, as IMO, no way in hell was it worth $4.99 let alone 49.99.

Not a fan of either fighter so I would not be disappointed in how ever the fight ended, but given the complete classlessness displayed by Mayorga, I'm happy he got bludgeoned.

THat said, I'm not sure how much can be read into it. We all knew oscar was the vastly superior fighter, we just didn' know how sharp he'd be after the layoff. The EXACT same thoughts were made of Tito going into his bout with Mayorga.

Post Tito Mayorga, FAR TOO MANY were thinking Tito was back all the way and that he'd walk through Wright who was supposedly smaller and had never really fought at the weight Tito was Now most comfortable in.

Eerie similarities here re Oscar and Floyd? That said, I have no idea if Floyd can take shots at 154 and if he'd have enough power at Jr. Middle to get Oscar's respect. Then agian so many said the same thing about Winky.

Floyd IS active and in no way shape or form is he a Jr. Middleweight, he is active and immensely talented. A stretch to beat Oscar? THIS Oscar? THIS Oscar beat Mayorga. I'm not that impressed with a win over Mayorga. That Oscar came back from such an extended time off and DID look sharp, is impressive, but agian, I don't think that Mayorga is an elite fighter and the current version of Ricardo has not impressed me since the first Forrest bout. And even then, it seemed that that win had to more to do with Vernon than it did with Ricardo.

He;s done NOTHING since that bout, that makes me say "wow This is a pretty good fighter." I had him beating Vernon in the rematch (sorry T), but agian, it was becuase I was less impressed with Vernon, than impressed with Mayorga.

I am not convinced I'd stake my hat in saying that Oscar beats Floyd simply becuase he wiped out Mayorga. If I KNEW Oscar was still at or near his best, I'd take him over Floyd at 154, at 147 at 140 and at 135 I'd say you have an even bout.

At 154, Oscar IS the better fighter. Imo Clearly. 147 too. But I'm referring to a de la Hoya at his best at those weights. I'm not sure Oscar IS the fighter that beat Vargas at 154 or even the version that lost to Mosley at 154. Beating Mayorga doesn't answer that for me. No more than beating Zab Judah convinces me that Floyd at 147 could have ever beaten an Oscar at his best at 147.

Too many questions still.

I do agree that the bout never happens. And all that does is leave more questions open about Floyd. Of course he will use the bout's never happening as evidence that no one will face him.

Whihc imo, is a crock.

Oh well.


05-10-2006, 04:44 PM
By G. Leon

Earlier today HBO PPV guru Mark Taffet informed Boxingtalk.com that the Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga PPV generated over 800,000 buys. HBO has been unable to determine a more precise estimation at the present time but the formal announcement will follow shortly.

05-10-2006, 06:01 PM
Damn:eek: 800,000 @ $22.50 equals mucho dinero for Oscar:D

Off The River
05-11-2006, 02:00 AM
Yeah. Considering he doesn't have to pay a prompters fee!

Steve McV
05-11-2006, 05:11 AM
I must admit I was surprised at how sharp DLH was, but right from the start, when he walked into the ring, I thought "Man, he looks to be in his best shape in years." The KD caused my jaw to fall open. Cripes. Well, hell, congrats to thw winner; clearly, the better man did win.

05-12-2006, 01:09 AM
I read in the Los Angeles Times that the bout between
Oscar De La Hoya and Ricardo Mayorga had 865,000 "buys" and
total PPV revenue of 43.8 million dollars. De La Hoya was
guaranteed eight million dollars, but it looks like he will get
twenty million.

- Chuck Johnston

05-12-2006, 09:18 AM

05-13-2006, 06:11 PM
De La Hoya picked the right boxer in Mayorga to comeback to.A boxer who is brash and talks alot of stuff.Mayorga beat 1 good boxer and everyone makes him out to be this legendary power puncher which he is not.
Mayorga was a punching bag basically.He landed 1 punch the entire bout that was worth anything.And Mayorga had no defence what so ever.
Great performance? It was a pro boxer vs a street fighter.

05-13-2006, 09:05 PM
Yes, Ricardo Mayorga has plenty of punching power, but it does
him little good if he has trouble landing blow. Besides being a
nice foil in the ring for Oscar De La Hoya, Mayorga also built up
the gate with his press conference antics and reportedly signed
for a relatively modest two million dollars for the bout when there
were close to 875,000 "buys" and $43.8 million in PPV receipts.
As a result, there was a lot of money to pay De La Hoya, who
reportedly got close to twenty million dollars for the bout. It
seems that only Juan Manuel Marquez has a brain trust worse
than Mayorga's.

- Chuck Johnston

Roberto Aqui
05-13-2006, 09:35 PM
As a result, there was a lot of money to pay De La Hoya, who
reportedly got close to twenty million dollars for the bout. It
seems that only Juan Manuel Marquez has a brain trust worse
than Mayorga's.
- Chuck Johnston

Don't worry about Don King. He squeezed as much as he'll ever get out of Mayorga and poor Mayorga will get pennies on the dollar with his drug suspension.

Mayorga will come to a bad end when it's all said and done, just wait. He's a loud drunken bully in waiting for a bullet and a casket.

05-14-2006, 02:23 AM
While watching the tape of the bout between Oscar De La Hoya
and Ricardo Mayorga tonight, it looked to me that Mayorga had
a fighting style that was "made-to-order" for De La Hoya. This
may be one reason that De La Hoya looked so much better in
the bout than when he fought Bernard Hopkins and Felix Sturm.
One thing is for sure....both Hopkins and Sturm have much more
in terms of boxing skills than Mayorga.

- Chuck Johnston

05-14-2006, 04:01 AM
I watched the replay tonight on HBO. Oscar looked good, but from what I saw I think Floyd would take him.

Olympic Auditorium
05-14-2006, 12:53 PM
154 is too much weight for Floyd ,even if there is a catch weight,which I dont see happening Oscar beats Floyd.

Off The River
05-14-2006, 06:02 PM
If Zab can find Floyd, then Oscar can and he is a better finisher. Floyd has the skill and speed, but he can't keep Oscar off of him and his defence is not that good that he won't get hit.

05-15-2006, 09:56 AM
And Mayorga couldn't even make weight without pumping himself full of racehorse dope.

That guy is finished...