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blv30
11-01-2005, 07:15 PM
Could Bruno have a good shot of lasting with Weaver and outpointing him?

kikibalt
11-01-2005, 10:21 PM
Yes,Yes, an i think Bruno win this fight

Frank B.

StingerKarl
11-01-2005, 11:52 PM
I like Hercules Weaver by early KO here.
Karl

robertk
11-02-2005, 10:09 AM
Result depends where the fight is held. Bruno is a notorius hometown fighter and does much much better with the crowd behind him==so did herbie hide. Put him on the road--like tyson did--and it's a different guy and he'll never give that A+ performance. More like a B or C.

Weaver was definately a road warrior and fought like 8 ubdefeated fighters in his career as well. I sure don't think Bruno does all that well wearing those shoes.

In England, I like Bruno by stoppage mid-rounds and landing lots of combo's. Anywhere else, I'd go w/ weaver to land a left hook bomb for the brutal ko at some point in the fight when Bruno gets fatigued. Good matchup.

SageBrush
11-02-2005, 02:09 PM
Barring Bruno catching Mike Early with a right hand like he dropped Coeztee with (first Knockdown,) or the Left hook he tremmered Tyson with, in which case he may get a lucky quick win, On many levels Weaver Provides Frank with detriments which would make Frank shine for awhile, not the fastest heavy on two feet, and tending to move in straight lines, Frank should not find himself outmanuvered By Mike, Also Mike's pedestrian pace should dovetail nicely into the pace Bruno likes to keep, and one must remember when unhurried and being allowed to operate at his own pace, Bruno had a very good stiff Jab, he outjabbed Lennox Lewis for spells and Oliver McCall, and would expect him to do the same to Mike as well, But Mike also has a good Jab when he danes to use it, so each could have their respective dynamite ready but not quite get into the position to light the fuse on an explosive combination to remove the other, over a longer distance Franks energy dissipation may combine with weavers ability to come on later, as in the coetzee fight, in which case the last three rounds are potentially as dangerous for Frank as the initial three rounds are for slow starter Weaver, but Early Weaver still has energy, Late Frank might not, If you are an Amearican heavy you tend to be essentially fighting for yourself, family and Friends, someone like Bruno (and Coetzee) is doing likewise, but also has the burden of the hopes of a nation on his shoulders, this weight of expectation can be draining, if nothing else, in being surrounded by the press / media and fans extolling you to do it for queen and country…

Given Mike's lack of speed and manauverability, I think Frank can head him on points, an hold on for dear life in rounds 9-12 ala the McCall fight to win on Points,

But if there is a round 13, 14 and 15 to negotiate, then I think these a bridge too far for Frank, and go for a 13 round Stoppage for Mike

Not Sure who actually wins the Body Beautiful Competition ???

blv30
11-02-2005, 08:56 PM
I thought about mentioning that, but maybe Bruno wins by a hair, real close either way.

StingerKarl
11-03-2005, 04:11 AM
Oh Man; I have Mike all the way with that better V-Shape of his and cannonball biceps.
I think Bruno was more defined and ripped, but Michael more mass muscular.
Depends on which kind of physique you prefer.
But: Ken Norton bets them both in that department.
Karl

Roberto Aqui
11-03-2005, 10:05 AM
Bruno in a walkover. Bruno is a bigger, more powerful speciman than Tate, and like Tate, Bruno is a good boxer. Weaver will always have a puncher's chance, but in 4 of 5, I'd take Bruno by KO and decision.

SageBrush
11-03-2005, 12:44 PM
StingerKarl - With Big Cat Cleve Williams bringing up the rear ???

Overhand_Right
10-17-2006, 06:24 AM
Bruno for me. Guys who went to war with Weaver just weren't competitive v Bruno. Both powerhouses with big shots, but Bruno proved it took more than 1 shot to take him out, and Weaver was never known for his ability to finish a man who was hurt. I never saw him jump all over a hurt guy like Tyson or Lewis or Witherspoon or Bone.

I love Weaver but Brunos style behind that looong jab and long straight rights from the outside spells danger for Weaver IMO.

Thought Weavers body was better looking by the way, does that sound kinda gay?

hagler04
10-17-2006, 12:32 PM
Bruno in his 2nd carnation in the 240s looked downright un-natural. He was always a muscled-up guy but in the 1990s, two syllables STER-ROIDS.

Perhaps I'm being cynical.

Overhand_Right
10-17-2006, 12:46 PM
He was a weight-lifter freak & had nutritionists, health farm specialists et al in his camp beefing him up.

Doubt it was steroids. Around the same time Bruno beat McCall, Botha beat Schulz and got stripped for a small trace of roids treating an old elbow injury.

Bruno wouldn't have go through all those fights in the 1990s on roids, would he? I dunno...

OMG65
10-20-2006, 11:50 AM
Weaver was a heavy puncher with the left hook(Tate) AND right hand(Coetzee) and in almost all his fights,landed and shook up his opponent pretty badly.Some he kayoed (Williams,Coetzee,Tate).Some he shook up pretty badly and didn't win(Holmes,Pinklon Thomas)Yes he gave away rounds but at some point he will nail Bruno and it seems to me Bruno usually folded like a house of cards when hit very hard. I like Weaver in this one.

Sharkey
10-20-2006, 05:21 PM
Thought Weavers body was better looking by the way, does that sound kinda gay?

uh no not at all...um..at all.

hawk5ins
10-20-2006, 05:33 PM
Bruno beating fighters "easily" that Weaver went to war with isn't all that fair as there was significant time between meetings here.

Tillis? Coetzee? Weaver faced an undefeated Tillis in 81'. Bruno got to Tillis in 87 when he had 10 more losses under his belt.

Weaver KO'd Coetzee in 80 who had only the loss to Tate going against him. Bruno iced Coetzee in 1 SIX years later. C'mon now. Let's not intentionally mislead.

I could rebutt that it only took a worn down Weaver 2 rounds to take out Carl Williams while it took Bruno 10 rounds to take out the Truth 7 years later when Carl was in the midst of losing 4 straight.

I say that Weaver absorbing what Coetzee dished out is evidence enough for me that he rides through the statueque Bruno's bombs and then takes out the Brit mid rounds with some very artillary of his own.

Size won't matter to Weaver. He's taken out his share of big boys. No reason to think he doesn;t here as well.

Hawk

Overhand_Right
10-23-2006, 07:16 AM
Fair enough. But Weavers record is littered with losses throughout his career, Bruno rolled over his opponents and his term as a top 10 heavy lasted far longer. The guys Bruno lost to were all world champions and of a higher quality than Weaver.

Overhand_Right
10-23-2006, 07:19 AM
PS your right about the time between Bruno and Weavers victims. However Coetzee was still top 10 ranked and coming off a points win over Tillis. When Bruno busted up Tillis in 5, it was less than a year after Tillis had given Tyson all he could handle. They were hardly dead bodys.

True about Carl Williams hangign 10 with Bruno though. Not that he won anything, but he lasted against a puncher. Of course Bonecrusher had to lose 9 rounds & save himself with a desperado volley v Bruno. V Weaver he simply bombed him out in 1.

hawk5ins
10-23-2006, 08:39 AM
Got it together for Tyson. But let's not put a lot of stock in his worth in the mid to late 80's. He was very up and down. Tyrell Biggs beat him easily just prior to Quick giving Tyson a go. And two fights after Tyson, he lost to 98 year old Joe Bugner.

Marvis Frazier beat Tillis just before Coetzee did. Although that standing 8 count completely p*ssed me off. That was when I realized that that rule blows chunks.

A win over Tillis in the mid to late 80's imo isn't worth a whole lot. He was a marginal fighter after the Witherspoon blowout.

Hawk

KOJOE90
08-08-2009, 12:29 PM
I think that there would be a very good change of Bruno winning by early KO. Weaver was not the fastest of fighters and was stopped a number of times. Early on Bruno's ramrod jab and huge right hand may just overwhelm Weaver inside 3 rounds.

However if Weaver survives the early rounds with little damage his superior stamina may just allow him to 'John Tate' Bruno, although not in such a dramatic fashion as Bruno usually needed several big shots to scramble is sences

But if I was a betting man I would lean toward Bruno early.

sr71ko
08-09-2009, 11:04 PM
Great match up. This fight should have happened. Both Weaver and Bruno could punch like hell. Bruno was more consistent through out his career, but Weaver may have been tougher with a better chin. Bruno was a class act. I like his power and killer instinct. Weaver at times could be hot and cold.... his early round losses to Dokes and Bone Crusher Smith are examples. Bruno would hurt Weaver badly, but what happens when Weaver lands his mighty left hook on Bruno? I see shade of Weaver's fight with Carl "The Truth" Williams. Being badly hurt then countering with that great left hook and hurting Bruno and finishing him off. I would not rule Bruno winning, but Bruno did not recover that great when hurt while Weaver could be hot and cold and caught early. I would pick Weaver by knockout even though I like Bruno a lot. He had a huge amount of kayos.

walshb
08-10-2009, 10:35 AM
Weaver's better stamina is the key here. I see him taking Frank's shots better than Frank takes his. I see a late rds KO with Frank still standing. Although, if Pinky could do the trick, Frank could. You never know. A peak Weaver was not the Pinky version however.

Michael Frank
08-10-2009, 11:03 AM
Tough call. Is it more like Weaver-Carl Williams or Bonecusher-Weaver?? ... Or, Bonecrusher-Bruno or Bruno-Coetzee?

I'll take the under. Can't see it going 8 rounds.

hagler04
08-10-2009, 04:47 PM
Good matchup. On paper Bruno has the edge but Weaver beat so many guys who on paper had the edge it's a very tough one to call.

Bruno could very well end this early but I see Weaver surviving more often than not and in the later rounds while fatigued is not a good place to be vs Mike Weaver, especially if you are a regular emptying tank like Frank was.

Julian Jackson
08-10-2009, 09:57 PM
I lean towards Bruno in this one. Frank has height, reach, weight, and I believe even strength advantages over Weaver. And I think Bruno is clearly the harder puncher. Bruno's penchant for running out of gas would be slightly troubling especially if it were scheduled for 15. But Weaver got blitzed early by a number of fighters. Some of them much less skilled and powerful than Bruno. Frank had a number of common opponents with Weaver and the results were dramatically different in favor of Bruno (although, I concede that Weaver was a bit past his prime). And for all his faults, the only fighter who really had Frank's number was Mike Tyson. (The losses to Witherspoon and Bonecrusher were late in a competitive fight, and he was BEATING a prime Lennox Lewis until he got caught with a LUCKY punch. And it was lucky. Lennox had his eyes closed and just winged it.) I just don't see a whole lot special about Weaver, and think he would go down as another early knockout notch on Frank's belt. If Frank loses this fight in my opinion, he has nobody to blame but himself.

Kyoodle
08-11-2009, 02:07 AM
Body beautiful
StingerKarl - "With Big Cat Cleve Williams bringing up the rear ???"

Originally Posted by Overhand_Right

"Thought Weavers body was better looking by the way, does that sound kinda gay?"

"uh no not at all...um..at all."



What the HELL?!?!?!?

LOL....I love this friggin' place!

sr71ko
08-11-2009, 12:17 PM
I have no problem either way with picking either Bruno and Weaver. Both were good punchers. I like Bruno. Bruno was the 1st British heavyweight that I actually rooted for against US heavyweights. Bruno did to my amazement beat Oliver McCall and kayo Gerrie Coetzee. I did not expect him to win any of those fights. Bruno did let me down against Bonecrusher, Witherspoon, and and against Lennox Lewis. I knew that he would not beat Tyson. I do wish that he would have beaten Bonecrusher, Witherspoon, and Lennox Lewis. I like his aggressive style, strength, and power. Weaver was so hot-and-cold, that he always frustrated the hell out of me. Even though I lean towards Weaver..... perhaps who ever lands the first big bomb may win.