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02-05-2007, 03:40 PM
Jack Sharkey v. Meyer KO Christner
Sharkey v. Carnera 1931
Sharkey with Ernie Schaaf 1933
Boston's Jimmy Maloney 1931
Contender Patsy Perroni
02-05-2007, 05:05 PM
Hey Chris: those are great photos.
02-05-2007, 05:25 PM
In my day much talk circulated as to the true ring worth of Jack Sharkey. Many old timers were of the opinion that the Boston Gob was one of the most underrated heavyweights of all time. If there was a drawback, our experts felt, it was that Jack was idle far too often, as his overall record indicates. But competing with Dempsey and Tunney was really uphill for this standout heavyweight.
In addition, contrary to what is happening nowadays, Sharkey made the very un-American mistake back then of draping himself for a fight with a robe fashioned from stars and stripes, much like the U.S. flag. A bit of an uproar resulted that hurt him in the public's esteem. Today, boxers enter the ring clad in trunks that resemble Old Glory and no one seems to care.
Tony Pallazola, who is listed as his trainer, left the east coast to become a cog in northern California fight circles as a promoter and manager. He was associated with Dreamland Auditorium becore taking over ill-fated Jimmy Doyle's eastern bookings from L.A.'s Ralph Gambina.
Ironically, both Jimmy and Tony died within a short time of each other, as I recall it all.
02-05-2007, 05:30 PM
You're my inspiration, Frank when it comes ot photos. Dongee, your insight is much appreciated.
Phaintin' Phil Scott
Leo Lomski and sometimes heavyweight, light heavy champion Mike McTigue
Mickey Walker faces Ranked Heavy Contender Natie Brown
Lee Ramage and friends.
South Africa's Don McCorkindale takes a tumble against Carnera.
02-05-2007, 06:12 PM
Jack Dorval, 1927 #11 Ring contender
02-05-2007, 06:14 PM
Thank you, Sharkey:
Good to see Walter Neusel (Noy-sel) get a mini-photo-op because he was from my time and a damned good heavyweight contender. It could have been homesickness that cut short his tour of U.S. rings because this blond tiger was unbeaten in America in a half-dozen starts, and actually defeated the likes of Les Kennedy, Stan Poreda and Tommy Loughran. He spotted the gigantic Ray Impelletiere 50 pounds and outclassed him, too.
I always thought of him as the second best German heavyweight of all time, with Schmeling as number one.
And in regards to Johnny Risko, old time fight expert Suey Welch, who managed Gorilla Jones and K.O. Christner, used to recall the time he matched Risko with own Christner and billed the fight as being for the "fouling championship of the world"! That was the stock in trade of those two heavyweight dreadnaughts and the fans ate it up!
02-05-2007, 06:27 PM
Ellsworth 'Hank' Hankinson
Art Lasky Conqueror Ford Smith with Lou Salica nd Tom Sharkey
South Bend's Leroy Haynes
Finnish Gunnar Barlund
The heavily muscled but power-bereft Rosenbloom, Ring's #5 Heavy in 1936
02-06-2007, 10:50 AM
The Swede Harry Persson, Ring Magazine's #8 Heavyweight in 1926
Jack DeMave, despite mediocre record ranked in 1926 by Ring.
Sandy Siefert, who also was rated in 1926.
James "Sully" Montgomery. Interesting Bio on Boxrec.
Earl Lovejoy, AKA Bud Gorman who beat Galento in 1930.
The targeted Champion Gene Tunney
02-06-2007, 12:39 PM
Jack de Mave was the first boxer, to my knowledge, to be nicknamed "Golden Boy" even before the Clifford Odets novel by that title was published.
And Lee Ramage is the only California heavyweight contender who was managed by a pair of Pops. Pop Hubley, who also had Dynamite Jackson, was Lee's first pilot; then came Pop Foster, who managed Lee for his brief comeback in the late 1930s. Ramage was an outstanding baseball prospect before deciding on a ring career.
Strangely, I spoke with him on a Friday to set up a get-together and he fell on Saturday, broke a hip and died on Monday morning.
02-06-2007, 04:23 PM
That is a pretty interesting tidbit regarding de Mave. From a perusal of his record it is difficult to figure how he managed to be rated.. though he certainly doesn't appear to be alone in that respect regarding fighters ranked from about #7 to #15 in 26, 27, 28 etc.
The Ramage incident is certainly a bizarre one.... to say the least.
02-06-2007, 05:26 PM
There were at least two competing ratings groups during the late 1920s. The task at "Ring" magazine was often given to some boxing celebrity, Promoter Tex Rickard or Jack Dempsey, whereas the Everlast Boxing Record Books had their own ratinbgs experts.
I remember that George Godfrey was usually rated highly by Everlast while only receiving a lower spot elsewhere.
The "Ring" ratings, while not infallible, eventually grew in prestige under the guidance of Eddie Borden, among others.
02-06-2007, 05:51 PM
Leroy Haynes was one of the best big men developed in California during the 1930s. He began his pro career under the tutelage of old Charlie Williams, a fine trainer who never quite made it as a big time manager. Pete Moran took over the youth's contract in the east.
Haynes lay claim to the Pacific Coast Heavyweight Championship after winning from two former regional titleholders, Les Kennedy and Dynamite Jackson. Sadly, Leroy also figured in what could be the lowest grossing outdoor show in the state's history when he stopped K.O. Christner at Seals' Stadium in San Francisco during 1933.
A strapping, solidly-knit sort, Leroy Haynes was the only man to kayo Primo Carnera twice.
02-07-2007, 10:46 AM
Tommy Loughran (right), who rose to as high as #2 heavyweight contender, takes on King Levinsky.
An interesting matchup between Hawaii's Tony Gora and the 28 lb heavier, amazingly romanticized Young Stribling. Stribling wanted Gora to take a dive so Gora wouldn't get hurt. Gora refused, and Stribling beat the crap out of him.
Note Gene Tunney's claim. Mr. Tunney apparently had a knack for knowing most everything.
Nathan Mann right out of central casting and in the ratings by 1936.
Parisian Andre Lenglet
1932 Gold Medalist Alberto Lovell
10-04-2007, 09:15 PM
Chuck Wiggins, who managed in 1929 to outpoint Larry Gains... and who had fought Levinsky for the LH crown. He also met Harry Greb 9 times. And not to say hello or for coffee.
Lee Ramage channeling Fitz perhaps.
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