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GorDoom
03-10-2007, 02:16 PM
Cliff, Crold on the board, has stepped up again & will do the honors today. He will give round by round updates & the results immediately upon the conclusion of the bouts.

Also remember guys, the fight is being held in Germany so it's on at 1:45 Left Coast & 4:45 East Coast time

Please keep all discussion of this card to this thread. Redundant threads will be deleted.

thanks,

GorDoom

Crold1
03-10-2007, 04:33 PM
WATCH KLITSCHKO ON HBO…BUT TREASURE "SWEET PEA" ON ESPN TOO!

10 March, 2007 by Cliff Rold

LIVE BOXING TODAY & LIVING HISTORY TOO!

Arlington, VA – In a throwback to the days of my younger youth, HBO will be showing a Saturday fight at a time when most people are actually home (4:45 PM EST/1:45 PM PST). It’s either too bad, or just great, that the fight is Ring Magazine #1 Wladimir Klitschko (47-3, 42 KOs, IBF titlist) against unranked Ray Austin (24-3-4, 16 KOs, an IBF mandatory). Too bad because it’s not expected to be all that competitive; just great because if Wlad is clicking on all cylinders he might score the sort of highlight reel knockout that brings in a few channel surfing casual fans resting before heading out to the club. For the hardcore fans who forsake such sins on fight nights, there will still be a great reason to stay home. At 8 PM ET, ESPN Classic will be doing a three-hour retrospective on the great Pernell Whitaker.

Read the Rest Here: http://ringtalk.com/index.php?action=fulln...s=1&id=1173 (http://ringtalk.com/index.php?action=fullnews&showcomments=1&id=1173)

Crold1
03-10-2007, 06:04 PM
They are in the ring...the World Heavyweight title remains vacant but tonight we have:

Ring #1 Wladimir Klitschko (47-3, 42 KOs)
v.
Unranked Ray Austin (24-3-4, 16 KOs)

Klitschko is coming off three straight against the top ten; Austin has not lost since being stopped in 2001 by Atilla Levin. His two most recent draws were Zuri Lawrence and Larry Donald...so take that for what you will.

Let's Get it On!

Crold1
03-10-2007, 06:11 PM
ROUND ONE

Too his credit, the Austin man boobs are at an all-time low...Austin so slow it's humorous...Jab from Klit...Austin wisely dipping right defensively when jabbing...Hard Klit jab...Austin double jab...They clinch...Shockingly this has utterly sucked thus far; I predict more of the same.

Klit 10-9

Crold1
03-10-2007, 06:14 PM
ROUND TWO

Klit seems to stun Austin with jab...Quadruple left hook and Austin is down...we're out of here. Good night. Screw this fight, DKP, Klit, HBO, the IBF...the whole kit and kaboodle. Utter garbage from contract signing to finish.

Crold1
03-10-2007, 06:16 PM
Begin all other discussion now if you'd like.

GorDoom
03-10-2007, 06:24 PM
"Utter garbage from contract signing to finish". Couldn't agree with you more Cliff! This fight proves absolutely nothing. Austin was the scarificial tomato can, Period.

But I'm willing to bet the ranch that we are going to here how this was a great perfomance by Klit. Shee-it ... He did what he was supposed to do against an absolute mediocrity.

He should be embarrased fighting that level of competition.

GorDoom
P.S. Thanks for the coverage Cliff. It was more interesting than that fight, that's for sure!

Crold1
03-10-2007, 06:31 PM
Actually, the announcers dissed the match-up and said it proved little other than Klit is still #1 based on recent effort. Lennox called mandatrories "politricks" that prove only that you can concentrate for a shitty fight.

Rafael
03-10-2007, 06:35 PM
Am I missing something? How can the two Klit bros. have the goal of being "wold champions" at the same time? By definition, there can only be one world champion. Right? Or is there more than one world involved in this goal?

Crold1
03-10-2007, 06:38 PM
With HBO and the political pull they have, the Klits can pretty much shit on anything they want.

Juan C Ayllon
03-10-2007, 07:07 PM
Hey Rafael,

I think technically, it's, "Title Holder." Both brothers would hold different organizations' titles, making them "World Champions" for their respective boxing organization. However, as you know, technically, they'd both be title holders.

I mean, if it doesn't work out for them simultaneously holding titles in boxing, maybe one of them can take up curling, shuffleboard, or another fringe sport and work his way to the top. Then, technically, they could still be "World Champions" at the same time.

If that's too extreme, maybe Klit Senior can win the IBO World Title or start his own organization. How about the WKBO?

Anyways...

Rafael
03-10-2007, 07:17 PM
Juan, of course that what they mean, but, to anyone with a brain, it essentially means nothing. Right?

PeteLeo
03-10-2007, 07:48 PM
Are we forgetting something here, guys? ("He asked, knowing full well he was opening himself up to charges of being a Wladimir bootlicker.") Austin was a mandatory. No, that didn't make him a deserving challenger, but Klitschko likes his belts and wants to keep them. He didn't exactly go shopping around for the least-living creature that HBO would approve as an opponent.
You say Wlad did what he was supposed to do against a no-hoper . . . so? Why lambaste him? Would you have preferred he slaughter Austin in the first round rather than the second?
In his prior three fights the man beat the hottest prospect in the division (Peter), looked good in kicking the shit out of a titleholder NO ONE looks good against (Byrd), and disposed of the only real, undefeated American prospect on the screen (Brock). So now he blows away an undeserving MANDATORY, and all of a sudden he's garbage pretending to be a champion?
A couple of possible conclusions spring to mind: (1) Anti-Klitschko bias is as tough to cure as herpes, and (2) some of us are just a LITTLE bit difficult to please.
It wasn't Ali-Frazier, but neither was Marciano-Cockell, and I don't recall reading a lot of moaning and bitching over that. (Pre-emptive response: No, I am NOT equating Wlad to Rocky.) PeteLeo.

Juan C Ayllon
03-10-2007, 07:50 PM
Hi Rafael,

Well, I think it means something, but it's greatly watered down.

I think, in a way, it's like being the World Champion Disco Dancer today--if there is such a thing--versus in the 70's, when disco dancing was big.

Surely, there's some good disco dancers around these days, but being at the top of the heap today bears no comparison to accomplishing this in the 70s.

I would imagine that the Chuck Wepners, Scrap Iron Johnsons, Jesse Fergusons and other heavyweight gate keepers and contenders must look at this heavyweight division from time to time and wonder if they'd be wearing a title had they fought today.

Ohhhhh well...

Juan C Ayllon
03-10-2007, 07:53 PM
By the way, has anyone found a brain lying around? I seem to have misplaced mine.

Rafael, mind if I borrow yours?

LOL,



Juan

hagler04
03-10-2007, 08:17 PM
I won't disparage Wlad on this one . . .he at least ended this crap by the 2nd round (although it should have ended in the 1st)

Austin is BAD. I thought he might try to go to war, but he tried to box and stink his way to a close fight like he has with everyone else. So slow, so clumsy . . I mean, I'm not expecting a Ken Norton or Evander Holyfield . . . but can't we see at least a Herbie Hide level opponent fighting for a HW title? Brock and Austin were so pathetic in their lack of athleticism and speed it just makes you mad.

If Chagaev beats Valuev (which I think is very possible), I'd really want to see Wlad face him. I think the Uzbek destroys him. And I don't think Steward will put him in that fight.

Todd
03-10-2007, 09:05 PM
No one's calling Klitschko garbage or really even faulting him for taking on a mandatory, but people get understandably sour when they pay for uncompelling garbage matchups. Why would HBO send Lampley, Merchant, and a crew over there to cover a fight that their own commentators were criticizing? If Klit had quietly disposed of Austin off of U.S. TV, no one would care.

If they were determined to go to Germany to cover a "world title fight" then they should've chosen Chagaev-Valuev.

HE Grant
03-10-2007, 09:20 PM
At least Klit is fighting often and staying in shape. It's not as if the division is dripping with compelling match ups ... we all know the book on Klit...a tremendous offensive fighter, extremely gifted with stamina tha must be managed carefully and an average chin.....

however, there is more to him ... anyone who says he has no heart knows nothing ... he kept getting up against Saunders, he did not lay down like a dog ... he collasped from exhaustion against Brewster .... he came off the deck three times to almost deck Peter and did beat him ...

Klit is a fun champion and will remain one until he gets clipped again ... it might be a John Tate style loss, it might never come ... who knows ... at least he is a gentleman, comes into the ring in shape and fights often.

Crold1
03-10-2007, 09:22 PM
Agree with everything you said Todd; in fact, Valuev-Chagaev is the best fight made in the division right now. It's a sleeper for some solid entertainment.

Nixon
03-10-2007, 09:51 PM
The beat goes on.

Rafael
03-10-2007, 10:12 PM
By the way, has anyone found a brain lying around? I seem to have misplaced mine.

Rafael, mind if I borrow yours?

LOL,

Juan

Well, my wife says all the time that my brain is underused, so I suppose you can have it.

:p

GorDoom
03-10-2007, 11:20 PM
Klitschko Solidifies Status, Stops Austin in Two
By Sammy Rozenberg from Boxing Scene


Many pundits were wondering how veteran Ray Austin (24-4-4, 16KOs) was able to land a mandatory shot at IBF heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko (48-3, 43KOs), especially since he was coming off a draw. It was called a mismatch before the fight, and a mismatch it became when the two fighters came together at the SAP-Arena in Mannheim, Germany.

It only took two rounds and several left hooks to crash Austin to the canvas. Klitschko was not happy about meeting Austin because he thought it was be an easy fight that brought nothing to the table. After the fight was over, even Klitschko admitted that it was an easier fight than he expected.

"I didn't think it would be so easy. Austin was much slower than my sparring partners," Klitschko said.

Austin did not go for broke in the first round, he stayed away and tried to box. Before Klitschko could even break a sweat in the second round, a series of left hooks against the ropes sent Austin down. He was unable to beat the count of the referee and Klitschko picked up another knockout win.

The next logical step would be to unify the heavyweight titles. In terms of making the most lucrative payday and being able to draw the most interest from the fans would certainly come from a fight with undefeated Nikolai Valuev, the WBA champion.

The other two champions would draw far less interest from the general boxing public. WBO champion Shannon Briggs has been ordered to make a mandatory defense in the next few months.

Briggs was slated to originally face Klitschko last year, but a breakdown in negotiations made him sign for WBO title shot with Sergei Liakhovich, resulting in a knockout win that seems to have restarted his career. Klitschko took on undefeated Calvin Brock, and disposed of him with a knockout win.

During the post-fight press conference that followed Klitschko's win over Brock, Briggs was in attendance and exchanged words with Klitschko and members of his camp.

If Briggs is able to hold onto his title through his mandatory, he would certainly be a major player for the Klitschko sweepstakes.

WBC champ Oleg Maskaev, another man who almost fought Klitschko in 2006, is currently in the middle of a tug-of-war between Samuel Peter and the comeback kid, Vitali Klitschko.

Peter won two consecutive WBC mandated eliminators against James Toney. After it appeared that he would be the man to Maskaev, an unforseen problem took place when the retired Vitali Klitschko announced his return to the sport.

Following his retirement in 2005, Klitschko was given special status by the president of the WBC and promised an immediate crack at the reigning champion if he ever changed his mind and un-retired.

In order to avoid a public smear campaign by ruling in the favor of either fighter, the WBC told all of the parties to attempt to settle the dispute by way of mediation.

After reps for Maskaev, Klitschko and Peter met in New York to attempt some sort of a compromise, nothing was immediately settled and the status of Maskaev's next opponent is up in the air.

One thing is for sure, with older brother Vitali winning a title, Wladimir will be unable to properly unify the heavyweight division.

There was always a forecasted plan of Klitschko facing the winner of Maskaev-Peter, obviously that won't happen.

Even if Vitali is able to secure the shot at Maskaev, all of the discussed terms would grant Peter a fight with the winner. Wladimir would have to wait until 2008 to unify against the WBC champion, that is if his brother is not the one holding the crown.

Valuev is a seven-foot, 300-pound behemoth of a man. He would be the first opponent that would make the 6'6 Wladimir the smaller man in the ring.

There are still various problems with even making a fight with Valuev. The biggest is the involvement of promoter Don King, who co-promotes the Russian giant.

King is universally known for requesting options when his champions are matched in key bouts. Klitschko, who manages and promotes himself through his own company, has vowed to never give options to any promoter.

There is always the option of facing Evander Holyfield, which would present a decent payday and plenty of headlines. In order to make sure a fight seem credible, Holyfield would have to beat a variety of top contenders to prevent the fight from appearing like a mismatch to the public.

Klitschko is recognized as the best heavyweight in the sport. Sooner or later, but hopefully sooner, he will need to seriously test himself in the similar fashion as he did against Samuel Peter in 2005.

newpoppop
03-11-2007, 01:21 AM
There is always the option of facing Evander Holyfield, which would present a decent payday and plenty of headlines. In order to make sure a fight seem credible, Holyfield would have to beat a variety of top contenders to prevent the fight from appearing like a mismatch to the public.



I hope this fight never happens--for Evander's health. I realize he is "the real deal" and a warrior, but sooner or later one punch too many, and the pugilistic dementia...you get the idea.

PeteLeo
03-11-2007, 01:22 AM
No one's calling Klitschko garbage or really even faulting him for taking on a mandatory, but people get understandably sour when they pay for uncompelling garbage matchups. Why would HBO send Lampley, Merchant, and a crew over there to cover a fight that their own commentators were criticizing? If Klit had quietly disposed of Austin off of U.S. TV, no one would care.


So, basically, you're saying the only thing wrong with Klitschko-Austin was that it was televised, is that right? Sort of, "Oh, God, I had to sit there and watch that!"

Once more, the guy fought, in sequence, Peter, Byrd, and Brock. Just because he consented to a #1 rated mandatory defense, we're now supposed to stamp our feet and shake our fists due to the fact that he wasn't in with Maskaev/Briggs/Valuev? Hey, I'd love to see unification, too, but tell me who deserved a gimme more than Klitschko after his last three bouts? With Austin out of the way and the sanctioning body off his back, he can go about the business of seriously negotiating with the best opponents. If he fails to step up to the plate, then maybe we should allow our sour moods to foment publically. Where was all of this righteous indignation while the "great" Bowe was fighting Michael Dokes and Jesse Ferguson? Klitschko is HBO's heavyweight just like Riddick was (thus the European vacation for Lampley and Merchant).

Also, the Austin bout wasn't PPV. It was HBO-standard, which means -- since my system includes HBO -- it cost me no more than Joe Mesi-George Linberger. Sometimes I wonder if we're just not so used to griping about the state of boxing in general and the heavyweights in particular that it has become a reflex. What kind of posts would we be reading if Austin had lasted until, say, the eighth or ninth round and landed a few shots? I doubt there would be any more congratulations to Klitschko than we're encountering in this plane of reality. PeteLeo.

Crold1
03-11-2007, 01:46 AM
Fighter who fight 2-3 times a year never deserve a gimme.

PeteLeo
03-11-2007, 02:17 AM
A lot of acknowledged greats fall beneath that umbrella. The raw satisfaction of being THE best at what you do (in one's own mind, anyway) tends to erode the drive to prove this fact before the eyes of the world, it seems. Was Marciano great? Dempsey? Don't tell me those guys didn't engage in gimmes. Even Louis, with all of is activity, was pretty much engaging in exhibitions (from any objective standpoint) during stretches of that long run of "title defenses."
What was Maskaev's first defense? Lyakhovich's? (Even though an exhausted Briggs managed to hang around and bite him in the ass, Shannon was viewed as being washed up and fairly easy pickings prior to the match.) Remember RJJ's domination of the nation's civil servants?
No other heavyweight in the game can hold up a better list of opponents in his past three bouts than Klitschko, so it just seems kind of petty to begrudge the man a Ray Austin afternoon. We didn't "pay" for this bout any more than we paid for the hundredth rebroadcast of WAR OF THE WORLDS, and unless a viewer was bound in some SAW-inspired contraption before the television with toothpicks holding his eyelids up, he wasn't forced to watch Ray's execution.
There just ain't too many active pros who are going to surpass the 2-3 times a year bar anymore. PeteLeo.

robertk
03-11-2007, 03:42 AM
Wlad has the tools to get an inferior opponent out of there and did it. Other heavyweights aren't opportunists and a fight against a guy like Austin goes the limit in a dreary bout.

The other thing is that it's never easy beating Don King fighters when you are promoted by someone else. On the contrary. The King fighters have a very very good record in these rare type of bouts & it does change the risk factor of things.

It will be impossible for Wlad to win and hold onto 2 heavyweight belts unless he makes a promotional deal with king. He'll get stripped of a belt long before the time it would take to meet the other 2 champions.

TKO Tom
03-11-2007, 08:52 AM
I think you have to give some credit where credit is due.

Coming into the fight, Wlad's last three opponents had a collective record of 110-2. Wlad beat the top contender in Peter, the universally recognized champ in Byrd and another top-rated and undefeated young contender in Calvin Brock. That's a helluva lot more than any of the others of the division have done in the past several years.

Klitschko didn't want the Austin fight but he had to take it to keep the IBF belt. Besides, he couldn't get any of the other titlists in the ring. Before and after the Austin fight he was and is calling on Valuev to get in the ring.

Look, I'm not saying that Wlad is the savior of the division. I'm not saying that he's the second coming, I'm not saying he's a great heavyweight. However, when I look around right now I would say he's fought and beat the best competition recently and he's done it impressively.

He's better than WBO titlist, Briggs and WBC titlist, Maskaev. He wants to fight the undefeated 47-0 guy next in Valuev, WBA titlist. He's on record in saying that he doesn't fell like the champion until he can unify the belts so even he says he's not the
"Champ".

What more do you want from the guy? What more would you want him to do that he hasn't done?

Nixon
03-11-2007, 09:35 AM
Fighter who fight 2-3 times a year never deserve a gimme.

But that is not the way the sport of boxing works today. It is a business run based on the agendas of people other than fighters and fans. The people who run boxing don't care what you think and they don't care what I think. Klitschko would much rather fight a bigger money and more meaningful fight than defend against Austin. He made that pretty clear. Countless other fighters have run into the same dilemma. The other problem is with guys like Roy Jones in the 1990s. Guys like that take advantage of that situation and are smart enough to negotiate a lot of money against guys not deserving of title shots. Klitschko is not like that. He is a guy who is trying to rebuild his career after stoppage losses and is doing well. I don't think he is that good of a fighter but as the previous poster pointed out he's fighting guys with records much better than the other belt holders. If the other promoters could put the bullshit aside this division would've been unified a long time ago but they don't see it as being in their best interest. They protect their territory while MMA, UFC, etc. move forward.

Nixon
03-11-2007, 09:51 AM
No one's calling Klitschko garbage or really even faulting him for taking on a mandatory, but people get understandably sour when they pay for uncompelling garbage matchups. Why would HBO send Lampley, Merchant, and a crew over there to cover a fight that their own commentators were criticizing? If Klit had quietly disposed of Austin off of U.S. TV, no one would care.

If they were determined to go to Germany to cover a "world title fight" then they should've chosen Chagaev-Valuev.

I agree. I don't blame Klitschko for this. When a fighter is forced to fulfill a meaningless mandatory go ahead and skip the HBO coverage. Exactly right in saying they don't need to send everyone over to Europe to cover it. HBO is better off to focus on Marquez - Barrera and Kessler - Andrade for the month of march to upgrade their quality of programming. HBO has been hurting and slipping with the fans and they didn't help themselves by putting this one on.

The funny thing about Don King and all of the maneuvers he's made in the heavyweight division in the last year is that it just doesn't matter. Don King has enough money. He doesn't need to be a control freak anymore at his age. No need to continue the crap. The best way he can go out at his age is to give the fans what they want and that's unification. Instead he makes the choice of playing a big role in screwing up the sport even more. He just doesn't care. He is addicted to control, ego, and money and that is precisely what is driving people to other sports where they can't even identify who a promoter or a power broker is. The athletes are more of the focus in those sports instead of the games promoters and sanctioning bodies play.

TKO Tom
03-11-2007, 09:54 AM
Originally Posted by Crold1
Fighter who fight 2-3 times a year never deserve a gimme.

I got somewhat of a kick out if this remark.

What heavyweight titlist in this boxing economy can get more than 2 to 3 dates a year?

The days of any titlist in any division fighting more than 3 or 4 times a year is over and it has been for quite some time. It's not like Klitschko sought the mandatory defense against Don King's Austin. That's why they call them mandatories.

TKS

kikibalt
03-11-2007, 09:54 AM
Klitschko makes fast title defense
By Roy Kammerer Associated Press


MANNHEIM, Germany - Wladimir Klitschko successfully defended his IBF heavyweight title Saturday night by dropping Ray Austin with a flurry of left hooks and stopping the American challenger in the second round.

The Ukrainian knocked down Austin 87 seconds into the round with at least three left hooks. The American got to his feet but referee Eddie Cotton stopped the fight.

"I was surprised he got back up, but he wasn't clear in the head," Klitschko said. "I was motivated by the talk from Austin and his promoter, Don King, before the fight."

Klitschko improved to 48-3 with his 43rd knockout in the mandatory defense. Austin fell to 24-4 with four draws and 16 knockouts.

Neither Austin nor King, both of whom had called Klitschko heartless before the bout, showed up at the post-fight press conference.

Klitschko established himself among the best of the heavyweight division with wins over Samuel Peter of Nigeria, Chris Byrd and Calvin Brock.

Both fighters were listed at 6-foot-6 and 246 pounds, with Austin's camp hoping another big heavyweight would trouble Klitschko, but Austin didn't land a meaningful blow in the first round.

Klitschko measured Austin with his left

hand until he caught him on the ropes. The Ukrainian snapped Austin's head sideways with the first left hook, and then followed with a series of hooks. Some missed as the American fell to the canvas.
Klitschko never used his right hand that was responsible for most of his knockouts and earned him the nickname Dr. Steelhammer.

"What you saw today, you're going to more of the future - Wladimir is developing new punches, besides the right and the jab," trainer Emanuel Steward said.

The crowd of 15,000 roared for Klitschko went he walked in, then jeered a fight that featured just a handful of punches.

Austin had been stopped just once before in his four losses, in the ninth round, by Attila Levin in July 2001. It also was his last loss.

The 30-year-old Klitschko won the title in April by stopping Bird in the seventh.

Nixon
03-11-2007, 10:11 AM
Originally Posted by Crold1
Fighter who fight 2-3 times a year never deserve a gimme.

I got somewhat of a kick out if this remark.

What heavyweight titlist in this boxing economy can get more than 2 to 3 dates a year?

The days of any titlist in any division fighting more than 3 or 4 times a year is over and it has been for quite some time. It's not like Klitschko sought the mandatory defense against Don King's Austin. That's why they call them mandatories.

TKS

Yes. The last two fighters to go beyond the "politricks" were Julio Cesar Chavez and James Toney in the 1980s and early 1990s. They fought non-title fights all of the time. Doesn't happen today. It's a different game. Just follow the money.

Bernard Hopkins put a different spin on this. It's a great time to be a fighter. Think about it. Not as much competition out there. A whole bunch of belts. Make the right contacts and win some fights and you can be a "champion" and make a lot of money pretty quickly. You do not have to fight as much against as good of guys to make big money. It is a much different sport even as it was just five or six years ago. The trick is to get past the ESPN level. Those guys make a whole lot less than they did 10-15 years ago. Today if you are an ESPN fighter you probably can't really make much of a living. If you get to HBO and Showtime and hold a belt for a few years you can do real well without ending up like a lot of guys in the past who were actually better fighters but took a lot of punishment and don't function well today.

Todd
03-11-2007, 11:12 AM
Boxing is the only reason I subscribe to HBO, so I really don't care if they show BABY GENIUSES on repeat. Of course no one forced me to watch it, but I don't like HBO's decision to invest in that stupid fight in the first place, just as a movie fan probably wouldn't like if HBO passed on some new movie to instead show WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S (after which Lamps and Merchant appear on the screen and talk about how they "didn't really want to show it").

rocky111
03-11-2007, 02:38 PM
Klitchko showed the gifts of a man with all the tools if you let him dictate. No one who does this is likely to last long. NO ONE. Wlad has lots of power in both fists and knows how to use them if you give him the chance. Austin was so scared of the right hand, he made the ko easy with the left. Remember this guy fought a spirited draw with Ibramigov, who is considered decent and a title contender, a former simon pure world champ (beating the great Cuban Savon). Klitchko like Lewis is going to be judged on a alll time level by his so so chin, BUT Lennox beat the guys who beat him. Wlad should seek out at least Lamon Brewster and change some minds. That would go much farther to establish himself than win a few more belts. Him and Valuev? Good bout in which i like Nico.

Todd
03-11-2007, 03:29 PM
Also, I think it shows how far our expectations have fallen when we're describing a guy who has fought twice a year for the past three years as "fighting often," and commending him for showing up for his fights in shape. Isn't getting in shape a boxer's job? That's like me getting kudos for always showing up to work sober.

hagler04
03-11-2007, 08:20 PM
Also, I think it shows how far our expectations have fallen when we're describing a guy who has fought twice a year for the past three years as "fighting often," and commending him for showing up for his fights in shape. Isn't getting in shape a boxer's job? That's like me getting kudos for always showing up to work sober.

:D Haha, that cracked me up Todd.

As far as Valuev-Wlad, I used to think that Wlad steam-rolls him. But here's the deal . .Wlad doesn't steam-roll guys anymore. Even last night, the early KO was from a pot shot left hook to the temple . . it's not like Klit came out with bad intentions a la Lewis-Golota. Before that the fight was a posing contest, just like the Brock fight before the knockout. Wlad post-Brewster/Peter fights SO CAUTIOUSLY . . . which in turns gives guys extra chances by allowing them to last longer in the fight. If Valuev's chin (which still has yet to be really tested in my book) is as strong as some suggest, and he can stay strong in the middle rounds, Wlad will collapse under the pressure. Valuev despite being the bigger, heavier man has shown better stamina then Wlad, and while not a big puncher has enough power to hurt Klitschko.

BDeskins
03-11-2007, 08:39 PM
>>>Isn't getting in shape a boxer's job? That's like me getting kudos for always showing up to work sober.<<<

I couldn't agree more. They were saying how it must have been a let down for Wlad since he spent so much time in the gym preparing...hell, I know everyday people who spend time in the gym...everyday! It's sad that any fighter be praised for spending time getting in shape...it's a fighters job to be in shape and that certainly is not something that I am going to praise this group of daisies that we have fighting today for taking the time to get in shape for a fight...he is suppose to be in shape, but then again we have fighters like James Toney who puts very little effort into getting in shape and it sure as hell shows when he fights!!!

As far as the fight, well if it was anything worth talking about I might choose to.

PeteLeo
03-12-2007, 12:52 AM
Boxing is the only reason I subscribe to HBO, so I really don't care if they show BABY GENIUSES on repeat. Of course no one forced me to watch it, but I don't like HBO's decision to invest in that stupid fight in the first place, just as a movie fan probably wouldn't like if HBO passed on some new movie to instead show WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S (after which Lamps and Merchant appear on the screen and talk about how they "didn't really want to show it").

The point remains that no regular subscriber of HBO "paid" a penny more for the Austin match than he did for the thousandth rerun of BABY GENIUSES, WAR OF THE WORLDS, or any of the three-day wonders that Clooney is churning out. If you ever find a network that produces Foreman-Lyle every time out of the gate, please clue me in.

Klitschko is the house fighter, so naturally HBO is going to broadcast his every appearance inside the ropes. What would you have them do? Twist Wlad's arm until he flatly refused to face a mandatory (reminder # 37)? This would have opened the door for stripping (and the Klitschko bros. love them belts) and installing another Don King marionette in his place.

Maybe you just wanted the fight to go unbroadcast because you didn't want to watch it? Whispers of selfishness, perhaps? Klitschko does have fans, so who's to say they didn't have the right to see their hero blowing away an unthreatening challenger? I'd be pleased as punch if I never saw another women's match on the screen, but I'm not going to deny the followers of women's boxing this exposure solely due to the uneasiness the sport creates in me. On the other side of the coin, Klitschko has plenty of "haters" who salivate at the thought of his next Sanders-style humiliation -- there was a pretty healthy thread right here focusing on that exact possibility --, so this contingent had the opportunity to pray for an Austin miracle.

And what about the "average Joe" sports fan, the guy who neither avoids nor seeks out boxing? Is it too incredible to believe a few of those couch potatoes who were flipping through the channels on Saturday afternoon paused long enough to see a dramatic (and not drawn-out) knockout being scored by one of those all-too-often punchless lumbering modern behemoths? Who knows? Maybe the fan base expanded minutely due to what happened in Germany a couple of days ago. Knockouts attract fans like sugar attracts flies; John Mugabi didn't become the top TV boxing attraction because of his slick boxing skills.

Okay, Klitschko-Austin won't appear on any lists praising the sport, but after a string of three fairly difficult challenges, it just seems coldhearted to condemn the guy for catching a softie. And considering what we've been getting from HBO lately, a short, definitive, highlight reel KO really doesn't seem all that disappointing in the eyes of some of us. PeteLeo.

Overhand_Right
03-12-2007, 06:33 AM
Isn't getting in shape a boxer's job? That's like me getting kudos for always showing up to work sober.

LOL!

That was hilarious!

Anyways, fairplay to Klit Jr, i wondered whether Austin may fumble his way through & make things messy, but Klit just bludgeoned him. Name another heavyweight who is repeatedly scoring knockouts?

Assuming the size of Valuev overwhelms Chagaev, Klit/Valuev would be interesting. Of course in the likely event that Klit beats him, it wont really be a unification because Klit will become IBF & WBA 'super duper champion' and we'll have something horrific like Valuev/Ruiz II or any other DK combination for the vacant WBA belt.

Disband the WBA.

Crold1
03-12-2007, 06:58 AM
DOMINOES IN PLACE FOR KLITSCHKO UNIFICATION…LET THERE BE NO EXCUSES

12 March, 2007 by Cliff Rold

KLITSCHKO-AUSTIN STUNK…SURPRISED?

Arlington, VA - I said last week that the best case scenario for Ring Magazine #1 heavyweight contender Wladimir Klitschko (48-3, 43 KOs) against Ray Austin (24-4-4, 16 KOs) was a highlight reel knockout. Wlad’s quintruple left hook along the ropes provided it. Yippee. In yet another example of the absolute trash that is the mandatory system, particularly in a saturated four titlist world, boxing fans got a multi-million dollar jerk session for a fighter who doesn’t need it. It’s no one’s fault of course (?)…no, of course not.

IT'S "POLI-TRICKS" SAYS LENNOX!

Lennox Lewis referred on air to ‘politricks’ and Klitschko pointed out that, hey, it was a mandatory. Gotta’ love that. Fighters say “hey, I have to do it to keep my belt” (IBF in this case) without the follow-up line “and besides, what idiot would turn down the free money that this sort of mandatory is.” Sort of like Roy Jones taking Ricky Frazier but allegedly writing letters to avoid Michael Nunn…I digress. Such was the case here but I am trying hard to maintain my New Years resolution for positivity in my opinions so here’s the positive: ther e is no reasonable excuse for Klitschko not to have a unification fight in his next go. None. Period.

VALUEV-CHAGAEV WINNER VS. WLAD? Read the Rest at: http://ringtalk.com/index.php?action=fulln...s=1&id=1176 (http://ringtalk.com/index.php?action=fullnews&showcomments=1&id=1176)

DscribeDC
03-12-2007, 10:26 AM
I watched Klit-Austin. It was a nice change of pace on a Sat. afternoon. But probably the least interesting HW title fight since Lewis-Akinwande. Just awful, and mercifully short.

Juan C Ayllon
03-12-2007, 10:37 AM
I think, in all fairness, most people thought Austin would make a decent fight of it, based on past performances.

So, he got blown out of there in quick fashion. Big whoop! At least Klitschko got him out of there and didn't prolong the agony.

Remember Joe Louis' "Bum of the Month Club?" He did this on a regular basis. Then, again, he was a heck of a lot busier.

For what it's worth,



Juan

kikibalt
03-12-2007, 10:53 AM
Sat.'s afternoon's fight took me back to the 1970s-80s when we used to be able to watch fights on the t.v. networks on weekend afternoon's with out having to pay big $$.

ShawnTheBleeder
03-13-2007, 05:13 PM
Todd, keep showing up to work sober. You make us all proud.

Oh, and I had the fight on TiVo and showed it for a friend. He thought Klitschko was going to get KO'd in the 2nd round because of how scared he was fighting, particularly in regards to his lack of throwing a right hand.

Let's hope for better competition in November when Lil Klit gets back in the ring.
Shawn

DscribeDC
03-13-2007, 05:16 PM
In his defense, Ray Austin was keeping it a very competitive bout until Wlad hit him.

PeteLeo
03-14-2007, 01:13 AM
I didn't care for Dino Duva calling Austin a "dog." Okay, he didn't belong in the ring with Klitschko and he tried to fight carefully, but I still think the punches that floored him were legitimate power shots. That first hook rang out like a gunshot. Austin did what he could to get on his feet, too, in contrast to some all-time greats I could name who sat on their asses and watched the ref count them out. We'd never call them "dogs."

It's awfully damned easy for us on this side of the ropes to cinch up our pants around our ever-swelling waists and pass judgment on the courage or commitment of those who have the gonads to actually face folks who are trying to tear their heads off. Ray Austin is no Homeric figure in the ring, but he's a long way from being a "dog" in my book. PeteLeo.

Phillyfan
03-15-2007, 10:07 AM
It seemed to me austin gave up. I know I'm not the one in the ring taking the punches and I have no right to complain, but I'm paying for HBO to put this thing on so I can voice my opinion.. I also get HBO for the fights, not for the 10,000th running of Die Hard. What bothered me most was Austin just accepting the refs decision. He looked like he was saying "okay, pay me and lets go home". I think he was psyched out when the crowd started booing the american nation anthem. That and the rediculous blacksmith, austin was done before the fight even started. I can't fault klitschko for fighting a mandatory and demolishing him. I CAN blame austin for his lack of heart. You have a title shot, you just lost, at least act like you're upset or argue with the ref that you want to continue and prove yourself. Act like this is your one shot at the title and you want it. Those that fight 2-3 times a year should not be given freebies, that is a classic comment and I agree 100%. Foreman/frazier was a blowout, but at least frazier had the guts to keep getting back up and going after foreman.

hagler04
03-15-2007, 10:25 AM
I won't fault Austin. Wlad caught him totally surprise with a very hard left hook to the temple. He may have looked ok but trust me his equilibrium had gone back to the United States.

DscribeDC
03-15-2007, 11:44 AM
Was I the only one surprised that they sang the Ukrainian and US national anthems and not the German? Could you imagine leaving out The Star Spangled Banner at a US event?

Roberto Aqui
04-08-2007, 07:57 PM
Also, I think it shows how far our expectations have fallen when we're describing a guy who has fought twice a year for the past three years as "fighting often,"

Wlad is barely 31 and 48-3-0, 43 KOs. Maybe you boys should look back in history and find us 31 yr old champs with a better, more productive record. Names por favor.

Communism has been rendered bankrupt for 15+ yrs and now all those beasts from the east are coming over here and kicking flaccid American flab. Alternatively, get used to it or GIT THEE INTO TRAINING and do something about it. I don't see y'all complaining about all them Mexicans beating up Americans. Hell, they take over entire towns!

Thats just the way it's gone in boxing in this country, and Lord help ya when all them billion Chinese find out how easy American butt is to kick these days.

Todd
08-14-2007, 09:39 PM
The very "active" Wladimir Klitschko has opted to sit out for at least seven months:

Klitschko out till 2008!
Going against his original plans, IBF/IBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko will not enter the ring for the rest of 2007. According to Die Welt, the reason for the long inactivity isn't the hand injury suffered in his July 7 bout against Lamon Brewster, but a combination of 1) a lack of available opponents for a big money bout, 2) HBO, to whom he is under contract, has apparently already blown their budget. As a result, Klitschko's next world title fight will likely not be earlier than February 2008.