View Full Version : austin gibbons v. Andy bowen
03-27-2007, 03:48 PM
Did Bowen win, as boxrec indicates, or did gibbons win? I hve seen some contradictory reports. Anyone know for sure?
03-28-2007, 11:42 AM
Clippings I have from the Chicago Tribune 12/30/1891 p. 6, the Boston Globe, 12/30/1891 p. 1 and LA Times 12/30/1891 p. 6 all say Gibbons won. They say Gibbons had hurt Bowen with body shots and was pummeling him along the ropes when the referee stopped the fight.
The best source, of course, would be the New Orleans newspapers, since the above reports are from the wire service.
03-29-2007, 01:12 PM
Yeah, I was looking at an 1890s account of Gibbons' record, and it said he won, so I questioned the listed boxrec result. Thanks.
03-29-2007, 01:42 PM
How does one correct an incorrect boxrec listing?
03-29-2007, 08:11 PM
good question. I suppose you have to go to the site, find an e-mail for the editors and ask them for a contact, if they aren't the ones.
03-29-2007, 08:19 PM
Adam, I think you should do it. You should get the credit; you noticed the discrepancy. I'll send you copies of the clippings if you need them.
03-30-2007, 02:37 AM
Unfortuntely Bowen is remembered mainly for his battle with Lavigne which killed him, but Bowen was one of the greatest endurance fighters of all-time!
Hell in 1893 Bowen fought three battles of 22 rounds, 110 rounds and 85 rounds.
I don't know who originally edited the result, but in the editors format I made mention that Gibbons was named the winner in the paper that I had looked at at the time which was the Olean Democrat, but the result was likely a UP, or AP report.
I think Ric changed as it was reported as a TKO in I believe Chuck Johnston's results, but it may very well just be an accident that Ric has Bowen winning instead of Gibbons.
The three editors who seems to have worked on the bout was Ric Kilmer, Robin Nygaard and myself! I don't know if anyone else fooled around with it, or not.
03-31-2007, 10:27 AM
No, go for it Ray. I really don't care about credit or anything like that - I just want it to be right.
"Adam, I think you should do it. You should get the credit; you noticed the discrepancy. I'll send you copies of the clippings if you need them."
03-31-2007, 08:25 PM
Okay, I'll try. I've never contacted them before, much less pointed out an error in one of their records.
04-10-2007, 02:40 PM
Barry, I just re-read your message. Can you get them to change it? I don't know anyone over there . . .
04-25-2007, 05:50 AM
I am a boxrec editor and made the changes you described.
You can see the corrected bout here:
Thanks for bringing this to my attention and if you have any other corrections, please feel free to email or pm me and I'll add the changes to Boxrec.
04-25-2007, 12:32 PM
Can you give me your e-mail? I come across stuff like this all the time, as I am constantly researching old bouts for books I'm writing. firstname.lastname@example.org
04-25-2007, 06:09 PM
Deepak, thanks for making the changes.
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