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06-01-2005, 05:43 PM
I don't know if my reply to Dan Gunter goth through below so I'll try again. Yes, of course I've reported it & have talked to the head guy at EZ.

He told me so far only 8000 of the half million boards they have are recoverable. He didn't know if we were one of them. That gives us a less than 1% chance of getting it back.

I'm going to talk to him again tomorrow & I will of course stay on top of this situation.


06-01-2005, 06:01 PM
Thank you for your good work....I would suggest that as soon as we all can do so...to begin again with threads and posts....you can't be beat if you won't quit!

06-01-2005, 07:38 PM
is it working yet?

06-01-2005, 07:57 PM
Do you see are thousands of posts back? No, it isn't & it's going to be a while.


06-01-2005, 08:16 PM
We can rebuild it. We have the technology. We have the capability to make it better... bigger... stronger... Well, at least better and bigger...

06-01-2005, 08:35 PM
No man, the stuff we lost is irreplacable. An oral history of boxing with stuff your never going to be able to find in a library or old newspapers. This is a complete disaster for this board.

For instance here are just 3 examples: Hap Navarro's history of California boxing which went all the way back to the 30's. There were almost 1,500 posts on just that thread. 2 other examples are Gato Gonzales' & Ron Lipton's thread over 2 thousand post of invaluable boxing history.

& for now it looks like it's all gone. I'm so fucking pissed!


06-01-2005, 09:24 PM
I do not see any of the posts back i was just trying to see if it was back to working,i'm sorry if i got you pissed off

Frank baltazar sr.

Roberto Aqui
06-01-2005, 09:32 PM
Hope those hackers hack their way into Hell. Boxing Central is still down from being hacked a few weeks back.

I'm surprised y'all didn't back up the board periodically. I don't know what to say other than there are some evil vicious folks roaming every corner of this planet. Like the leader of the Taliban said before blowing up the giant Buddha statue carved into an Afghanistan mountain: [[[It took craftsmen and artists two centuries to build this. It will only take us a couple of days to blow it up.]]]

Good luck, and maybe they will figure out a way to recover it.

06-01-2005, 09:57 PM

I apologise for my abrupt response I'm just in a bad mood as you can imagine. But you didn't deserve me snapping at you like that so I am sorry.


EZ Board has it set up so you can't back their boards up. Believe me we've tried in the past with no sucess. When we start up again we are definiely moving outta here


06-01-2005, 10:32 PM
think notthing of it every think is cool

Frank Baltazar sr.

06-02-2005, 12:09 AM
All I can offer is my sincerest condolences towards your/our loss.

I don't know who did the hacking, but I've had some of my favorite boards hacked before. It's very disturbing, but the internet is not safe, and nothing you post on the internet is permanent. Think of it as a photograph of your son that you print out on paper.

When one board on which I posted was hacked, I lost over 100 pages of stuff I'd written (50,000+ words). That was four years ago. Since then, I've kept everything that I might want in the future backed up. And still, I lost more of it to a virus.

I'm a teacher and technical writer by trade; I'm a columnist for www.wrestleline.com and I've written for www.insidefighting and several other sites over the years. If we can't get the forum back, I'll do whatever I can to write for the forum and to put it back on the map.

06-02-2005, 01:27 AM
This was not a hacker attack against the CBZ. Right? It sounds like it was an EZBOARD wide attack.

walsh b
06-02-2005, 06:26 AM
It's very unfortunate but I guess that is the risk the internet poses, ultimately nohing is ever completely safe. Some scum always find a way to cause mayhem...just keep plugging away CBZ, you can only try your best and at least we'll have the memories, nobody can take them....

Todd Hodgson
06-02-2005, 07:48 AM
Exactly, Rafael. Knitting forums, cancer-treatment forums, hockey forums...all wiped out. They didn't target boxing.

According to an e-mail from the EZboard CEO, the hackers also nuked the backups—which for some reason the good folks at EZboard apparently also kept online?? (Sort of defeats the purpose of a BACKUP, no?) Who knows.

Juan C Ayllon
06-02-2005, 08:14 AM
If it's true, that's a shame that their backups were online. Perhaps their backups were there onsite, but were accessed via clever programming? Not being overly bright in matters technical, I wouldn't know.

Speaking of life being insecure, one of my friends emailed me yesterday and told me that her condo had been burglarized the night before. As a result, some of her jewelry disappeared and her cat was missing.

The latter prompted me to tell her, "No doubt a cat burglar is on the loose!"

All kidding aside, what was particularly sobering was that her teenage daughter was at home asleep when the burglar sifted through their stuff. My friend noted that it was probably a good thing her daughter did not wake up and that she herself was at work later than usual, suggesting to her that some Divine intervention was at play in the midst of the chaos.

As disturbing as the situation is here at the CBZ--and certainly not to downplay the loss--we still can connect with one another, rebuild and move on. Like someone else here suggested, no one can take away the memories, either.

By the way, I haven't checked the other parts of the CBZ, but our News page is still up and running. Curious? Check out the link below or click on the "News" link at the top of the page:

CBZ Newswire (http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/news/)

Bottom line, despite whatever losses we may sustain, I am confident that the Cyber Boxing Zone will go on valiantly doing what it always has done, providing an excellent forum for thinking boxing fans to post, to challenge and to edify one another.

Best regards,

Juan C. Ayllon

06-02-2005, 09:09 AM
I just have to say that this kind of senseless crap pisses me off to no end. I want to thank everyone who worked so hard to establish and maintain what I consider to be the absolute best Boxing Bulletin Board in existence. I truly hope that it can be recovered. Hats off also to all the contributing posters who are much more knowledgeable than me.

06-02-2005, 10:09 AM
Just wanted to add my moral support and hope everything is returned to the way it was and the hackers caught and prosecuted. Otherwise, I would see the loss of the archives as invaluable. Yes, we can rebuild but you can't recreate what once was.

06-02-2005, 11:39 AM
At the risk of inflaming bad feelings, I think what people say about the Internet being unsafe is too true. It's all so ephemeral. In the future, people should consider these forums to be like writing on the bathroom wall, temporary amusement. If it's something you want to save for the ages, back it up in a safe place. This is no place to put archival materials. A very hard-earned, but important lesson on like in the Info Age.

06-02-2005, 11:41 AM
Given that EZ Board was more concerned with maximizing revenue and signing up "gold members" than investing in infrastructure, now would probably be a good juncture to make some inquiries of the ISP where the rest of the CBZ is kept, to see what protections they have in place. If they are asleep at the switch, like EZB, the next attack could be much much worse for the site.

06-02-2005, 12:03 PM
The CBZ itself is on a completely different server. They have backups but we also have our own backups. So if anything ever happened to it we could restore it right away.

EZ Board however is set up so you can't back up the material which sucks. We've tried in the past to back up this forum but because of EZ Board's set up we were always unsuccesful.

On a personal note I want to thank you all for you kind support during this crisis. It means more to me than you guys could ever know.



06-02-2005, 12:36 PM
I guess no one got my quote from the "6 Million Dollar Man"?

I only joined the CBZ a few weeks ago... It's the one message board I'm a member of... It's great to be around people who as passionate and informed about boxing as I am... As for rebuilding... I'm going to message my boxing buddies in Toronto and beyond about the CBZ... I'm going to tell them to join and start posting... Of course it's a shame to lose all that wonderful info and see those articles and threads lost... But from the ashes...

06-02-2005, 12:40 PM
Keep swinging, Bucket.
I thought it was pretty cool under "Yahoo!" movies for Cinderella Man they had a link to Braddock's record here. Never was a fan of his style; but he was good for his day. Talk about being in the right place at the right time; but it was Baer's fault. He blew a fight he should have won easily by not training and partying with the gals. I hope this picture dosen't make Maxie out to be a villain; because he certainly was not. If anything-he really hated hitting on people-it was just something he was good at. The death of Frankie Campbell destroyed him emotionally; and he always put up a clowning and funny front so he wouldn't have to deal with it. The deaths of Campbell and Schaff haunted him till his dying day at only 50. The guy tried unsuccessfully to drink and party away the pain in his heart from that. He was actually a pretty gentle fellow in real life. I ran into Max Baer Jr in the 90's in Vegas and he told me just that. Hope that took your mind off this problem for awhile.

06-02-2005, 01:15 PM
What a great post -- made me smile Karl!

One my problems with being a devoted boxing fan, perhaps like so many of us here, is that I have a few all-time favourite fighters (Jimmy McLarnin, Randolph Turpin, Roberto Duran), but when a big scrap comes up these days, if you know any of the boxers' backstories, there are no villains... For all his cockiness, there was still something I liked about Antonio Tarver, and as for Glen Johnson, well, the man's bio speaks for itself...

In Cinderella Man, the easy/cheesy way would be to paint Max Baer the villain, and from everything I've read, he sure as hell wasn't... I'll be interested to see the flick and watch what happens... but for now, damn those previews make the hairs on my neck stand on end!

06-02-2005, 05:33 PM
Been a little busy lately and logged on to find out about this disaster. I hope the folks at ez board find a better way. To all the fine gentlemen, Gordoom, Mike, et all, please keep the faith, as you guys provide the only sane source of boxing info on the net. It is truely a lifeline for the boxing junkie. But, that said, I'm pissed too!

06-02-2005, 08:45 PM
No man, the stuff we lost is irreplacable. An oral history of boxing with stuff your never going to be able to find in a library or old newspapers. This is a complete disaster for this board.

For instance here are just 3 examples: Hap Navarro's history of California boxing which went all the way back to the 30's. There were almost 1,500 posts on just that thread. 2 other examples are Gato Gonzales' & Ron Lipton's thread over 2 thousand post of invaluable boxing history.

& for now it looks like it's all gone. I'm so fucking pissed!


Gordoom is 100% right we can kid ourselves that we can start afresh and make this board even better. A little bit like a retired ex champion trying to make a comeback but deep down in his heart he knows he aint got it anymore.

No Guys i am not trying to depress us all just being very honest and we all know its true. Having said that we now have to put it all behind us and move on and make the best of what we have got still, and that is we still have the best bunch of guys that any boxing board could have.

Team Cyberzone down but far from out. We dont quit that easy.
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06-02-2005, 09:59 PM
Well put, bro.
I told a tabloid trash boxing site I used to work for to stick it because of their disrespectful posts towards current and former fighters. Little computer nerds that lack the courage to get in the ring themselves taking cheap shots at real men-real athletes that lay their life on the line. This site is the best as far as respecting fighters goes. I was so pissed about this initially I told Juan- my first inclination was to think they had something to do with this dastardly deed. This site will be for the better I think-for real. With the release of "Cinderella Man"; perhaps this is really the dawn of a new beginning, huh? As Charles Bronson said as "Chaney" in "Hard Times"..."Things have a way of coming around".

06-02-2005, 10:39 PM
Jay-sus -- an old champ trying to make a comeback? Kidding ourselves? We ain't got it anymore? Speak for yourself, sir! If you don't have the bottom to make something better, I sure as hell do...

I already messaged all the boxing fans I know, my old man, and a few of the old timers (sorry Norman, one of them is you) in the UK... They'll join and they'll spread the word... Ever heard of Ted Lewis? Jack Berg? You want first hand history of East End Jewish boxers? It's coming... How about some perspectives from just about every expat-Nigerian in Toronto... Man, those guys are GREAT boxing fans! You'll get that too... Blimey -- you want those histories you lost back? Get back to it then! You say you can't? They're irreplaceable? Find a way...

I hope the rest of my fellow members e-mail their friends -- spread the word -- and tell them that this is a great message board! It's the people that drew me to this board in the first place... the ideas... the dialogue... Sure it was great having access to all that wonderful information but it doesn't mean a thing without someone to talk about it with...

There are many great boxing fans that aren't members of this board -- yet! So sure -- feel like crap for now -- I just got the biggest setback in my business 2 weeks ago -- a business I have been building from scratch for the last seven years, trying to do things my way and then... bust... I felt awful for a day, then I said, OK, what can I do to fix this? And the next day, I started... I want to make this board bigger and better, and you believe we can't? You think everything good and great has already been said about boxing on this site? What a bloody insult!

Wait... before I get too indignant, let me reference a few (edited) words from Shakerspeare's Henry V, undermanned, outmanoevered and exhausted, rallying the troops for his epic confrontation with the French:

WESTMORELAND: O that we now had here
But one ten thousand of those men in England
That do no work to-day!

KING. What's he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.'
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

This is usually something I only use in desperate situations, but I think it might be apt nonetheless...

So get to work -- spread the word...


06-02-2005, 10:49 PM
Love that quote from Bronson, Karl. Good stuff! & I forget which poster said it but it was something about how we truly respect fighters here ..

Damn right!

& Ironbar also good stuff! I see that you are actually new to the board, so welcome aboard the ship on the shoals. I've found your encouragement very gratifying - & damn! Yeats & Shakesperae onna boxing thread ...

Who woulda thunk it?

But unfortunately I agree with Danny Wildhawke completely. The last couple of days I have felt like an old fighter trying to make a comback.

But comeback we will. It will never be the same but that doesn't mean we still can't remake it into a great board.

As to Jackie "Kid" Berg (one of my personal all time faves), Ted "Kid" Lewis & other great UK & Irish fighters ... Too bad you didn't get here sooner we were replete with threads & tales of those greats.


06-02-2005, 11:22 PM
All apologies to Danny W. then for being the apparent object of my rant... Anything I can do to help rebuild, just ask... I do like the idea of spreading the "Gospel" though -- the more members, the better (I presume)...

06-03-2005, 12:17 AM
Everybody is welcome on this board as long as they don't act like A-holes. Vehement discussions & arguments are fine. It's when people start hurling personal insults at each other that they cross the line.

I'll give one warning & if they persist I bounce their asses outta here.

As I've written before this is not a Work-Out Your-Personal-Issues board. It's a boxing board & flame wars are not tolerated. Boxing is a passionate sport with passionate fans but their is no reason they can't be civilized.

But yes, Ironbar, the more members the better as far as I'm concerned. & btw: our beloved Danny W. is also a feisty Irishman. I'm sure you will both have some interesting dialogues in the future!


06-03-2005, 12:29 AM
Well, I've got exactly 33.3 GB of records, lists, photos, newspaper accounts, articles, downloaded fights, etc. all in a boxing folder in my documents and all the material is just banging on the folder to be let out, kind of like a wooden puppet that has been put in the trunk for a few decades, and as always, I'll be glad to share anything that I have!

06-03-2005, 11:07 AM
Don't get too discouraged GorDoom. I have only been on this sight for a few months but it has brought a lot of enjoyment to my life, and the knowledge here on this board is unprecedented. I know how important the articles are and it sucks that they are gone but to me what makes the board truly great are the people on it. I think that will still be the same as exemplified by the posting on this thread. This to will pass.

PS see my Cinderella Man review in this forum to see how I felt they portrayed Bear.

06-03-2005, 12:01 PM
GORDOOM -- I really like the no-assholes policy for sure... wait, you don't have a no swearing policy, do you?

In any event, here's the content of my e-mail "evangelizing" your great site -- if it's any use to anyone, feel free to cut, paste, edit and spread the word!

"My name is Peter -- and I must first apologize for this mass-email... Most of you are friends or people from whom I've purchased items on e-bay. We all have an interest in boxing.

Several weeks ago, I joined the Cyber Boxing Zone message board -- I found it interesting, informative and just a bit addicitive... Sadly, the board (along with all other EZ boards) was hacked a few days ago and all the old postings were lost... This may not sound like a big deal, but trust me, the postings were priceless -- histories of boxing and boxers that you won't find in any book or newspaper... Discussions on everything from the most recent title fight to the most obscure and overlooked champion... It was an extraordinary archive. Most importantly though, it was a great place to meet other devotees of the Sweet Science!

Despite my recent vintage as a member, I'd like to do my part in helping to rebuild the "CBZ". One way to do that is to get all those good boxing fans out there who aren't already members to join and start posting! It's free and you can find the CBZ at:

www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/cyber.htm (http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/cyber.htm)

I hope you'll sign-up -- it's a very, very small inconvenience to join but most definitely worth it!

Best regards,


06-03-2005, 12:22 PM

Thanks for sending out that letter. Most appreciated. As to swearing on this board, **** yeah. We're all grown ups here & the occasional curse word is needed sometimes to make a point,

The only veto is cursing at & insulting other posters directly.


06-03-2005, 01:22 PM
when the towers fell i was of the opinion that we should build them right back up as they were before. that would have been a good way to show that we don't knuckle under to punks.

we lost a lot of great stuff but we gotta keep going. i love talking boxing with all you guys. we owe it to mike and the bucket, who have given us such a great forum, to stand by them and help in anyway we can.

as future fights come up we will converse as always and the posts will distance us from this disaster. as for the historical stuff....well i never had a problem repeating myself before. i am sure most of you guys are like me. loads of memories always looking for an outlet. found that outlet here and eventually it will all comeback as the conversation continues.
take heart,

06-07-2005, 09:20 AM
I've been investigating whether it might be possible to restore some of the messages by retrieving them from the cached copies on the readers' machines.

I personally use the Firefox browser, and a copy of every page I visit is stored down in C:\Documents and Settings\....

What I've actually got stored can be ascertained by entering "about:cache" in the address bar of Firefox. When I do this and look at the contents of the "Disk cache device" there are many entries which appear to be Cyberboxingzone forum messages from before the mass deletion.

Unfortunately the cached files themselves are all compressed using gnu zip, but that just makes the job slightly harder rather than impossible. I've found a few helpful sites which may enable me to work out how to restore the original messages, if I get anywhere I will post details.

Restore files from Internet Explorer's cache is also almost certainly possible and probably a little easier than that for Firefox.

Maybe if we all store our browser caches we will be able to restore at least part of the board's contents eventually!

Todd Hodgson
06-14-2005, 12:12 PM
What is the status of the restoral process?

The final two steps of the restoral process continue across the network. Please remember that in order to return content to the boards as soon as possible, the restoral process will bring topics back out of chronological order. After we have recovered all data from the process, we will then do a final resort of topics to re-establish chronological order.

If you have additional questions please continue to carefully read the balance of this update. Should your question still not be answered after reading this update and you don’t think that our customer service team or help forums can answer your question then please feel free to e-mail me at the address below.

Thank you again for your patience and understanding.



Robert Labatt
ezboard, Inc.


I hate to e-mail this guy, but does this mean they're getting back more than they'd originally expected?

In all those Q&A's they keep posting, they're not explaining exactly how many boards WILL get old posts back.

06-16-2005, 07:27 AM
I've heard some people have had success recovering old threads via Google searches or Archive.org. It hasn't worked for me yet, but it had for others.

06-24-2005, 08:23 AM
I guess its official that we are f'ed huh?

06-28-2005, 05:10 AM
It's surprisingly difficult to find out whether the attempt by ezboard to restore lost posts and threads is complete, but I think what we've got now (i.e. absolutely none of the old stuff restored) is all we're going to get:
p103.ezboard.com/fezboardfrm98 (http://p103.ezboard.com/fezboardfrm98)

My attempts to rescue old messages from the caches and from www.archive.org failed because all the ezboard pages had a "nocache" tag which is a request that browsers do not store the data locally but instead try to download it from the server each time.

Obviously it's Mike's and Gordoom's call, but perhaps it would be sensible to move the forum to a different service? I seriously doubt if ezboard will be around in a year's time and it would be a pain to have to move quickly if they went bust. I would suggest buying a message board program and hosting it themselves, maybe with links to amazon.com / amazon.co.uk so that people could support the Cyber Boxing Zone when they buy stuff from Amazon.

06-28-2005, 02:33 PM
M y 14-year-old son looked at the site and said -- "what the hell are you using ezboard for? It is just a php program and you should just run the board yourself -- there is plenty of free php bulletin board software available."

I think, in light of the attack, I should investigate his suggestion.

What say ye?

07-05-2005, 05:09 PM
I believe it was the character Rocky in the film Rocky III, or it might have been my first girlfriend, but either way, in response to your question, "Go for it!"

BTW Mike, you're a lawyer too?

Roberto Aqui
07-06-2005, 08:56 PM
Given that apparently CBZ has lost all of this previous forum, I suggest y'all think about a new system. 14 yr old kids are good for some suggestions, but generally are not into preservation which appears to be the issue.

Back in the late 70s, one of my job duties was to back up the daily additions to the hard drive of the business I worked for. Made sense to me then and now.

07-07-2005, 01:30 PM
EZ Board has it set up so you can't back anything up. & that's why we will be moving this to the CBZ itself which is always backed up.


Yes my partner Mike is a lawyer. We have something like 12 attorney's that write for the CBZ & a whole bunch more on this board.


08-03-2005, 09:52 AM

Can you delete some empty spot for me , one on Old Timers topic Frankie & Tony Baltazar, one on History of Calif. topic Knockout mag.

Thank you

Frank B.

P.S I lost some pictures

08-12-2005, 01:13 AM

I just saw your last post for the first time & I checked the thread but I didn't see what you wanted me to delete.

08-12-2005, 11:43 AM
Some how i lost some pics., one day they were there next day they were gone i re-posted them ,but there are some empty spots on OLD TIMERS Frankie & Tony Baltazar thread,and in HISTORY OF CALIF. BOXING on KNOCKOUT MAG. thread

Frank B.

08-20-2005, 10:41 PM
To: Gordoom, etc.,

Frank has been emailing me today saying he can not access the message board for some reason. Each time I get on fine so I can not help him- perhaps his server/browser?

I told him I would post this asking that someone email him.

"Tim , when i try to get on the board ,the web site is not opening , all i get is ( web site not responding )



09-23-2005, 07:01 AM
Mike DeLisa
Right here on Modern on the (former & current fighter thread)
could you shrink down the e-mail from my son Tony that i posted

Frank B.

12-08-2005, 03:40 PM
Can you go to Non Boxing Discussion and go to the 1941 thread an delete the first set of pics of some fighter from Hawaii that i posted

Frank B.

12-08-2005, 03:46 PM
I'll take care of it.


12-08-2005, 03:48 PM
Thank you Gor.

Frank B.

12-26-2005, 01:22 PM
can you go to our thread an on page 1 an delete the picture of Frankie fighting Memin Vega, i resized it, an i reposted it on page 6

02-17-2006, 12:02 PM

A post in the Oldtimers section in the 15 Best Welterweights, shows me as putting up a post on 2/17 (today) but it was a post I did on 2/2....seems odd.

A post about left hookers showed Kikibalt posting on 2/14 but was done by him earlier as well...is EZ Board getting ready to go down again, or is someone probing for weaknesses?

It just seems odd that members appear to be posting when they aren't, doesn't it?

02-17-2006, 06:10 PM
i noticed that before and was told that if any activity has taken place such as moving a post the date of that activity comes up rather than the date it was actually posted.

02-17-2006, 07:13 PM
What it is is that sometimes I'll bring back a thread that has slipped into a back page back to the front page. As moderator I can edit any post - not that I do! BUT ... To bring something back to the front I'll usually hit edit on the first post - not change anything, hit submit & it goes back to the front page.

The confusion for you is that if it's your post I used to edit & bring back it will have your name & the new date. So no, nobody has fucked with us since last Memorial Day.

Sorry about the confusion, guys ...