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jim glen
07-11-2009, 04:10 PM
so their saying on boxing boards and the web, somewhere in Brazil (???).

God Bless if it's true.

Crold1
07-11-2009, 04:23 PM
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=20961

jim glen
07-11-2009, 04:26 PM
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/autres-sports/boxe/200907/11/01-883379-arturo-gatti-est-mort.php

GorDoom
07-11-2009, 04:32 PM
Jesus, Harry, Truman, Christ! They've been dropping like flies in the last week or so, McMahon, Farah, Karl Malden, Billy Mays, MJ, Arguello, McNair & now Gatti.

Too Much!

It seems like almost whatever you like someone you were into died in the last week....

GorDoom

KOJOE90
07-11-2009, 05:15 PM
This is too bizzare!

RIP if true.


Not wishing in anyway to make light of this tragic news but 2 minutes ago I just finished watching the final episode of The Shield and came on here to stop my head from spinning and read this!!!!!

theironbar
07-11-2009, 05:29 PM
More info here:

http://www.tsn.ca/boxing/story/?id=284455

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/07/11/gatt-dead.html

Extremely shocking and sad news.

diggity
07-11-2009, 05:54 PM
wow that is terrible

Surf-Bat
07-11-2009, 06:18 PM
How much more of this s**t do we gotta take??

hhascup
07-11-2009, 06:22 PM
Former boxing champ Gatti of Montreal found dead in BrazilBy THE ASSOCIATED PRESS – SAO PAULO — Officials say former world boxing champion Arturo Gatti has been found dead in a hotel room in northeastern Brazil.A spokeswoman for the public safety department of Pernambuco state says the body of the former junior welterweight champ from Montreal was discovered on Saturday morning in the posh seaside resort of Porto de Galinhas, where he arrived on Friday with his wife and one-year-old son.She said it was unclear how the 37-year-old Canadian died."There were no bullet or stab wounds on his body, but police did find blood stains on the floor," she said, adding that his wife and son were unhurt.The spokeswoman, who did not provide further details, declined to be identified because she was not authorized to comment on the case.

gregbeyer
07-11-2009, 07:00 PM
this one hits very hard.

my son just handed me his laptop with the story from sao paulo.

nobody is immune to the reaper but arturo was just too young.

RIP champ. you will be missed.

greg

GorDoom
07-11-2009, 07:11 PM
Name: Arturo Gatti
Alias: Thunder
Nationality: Canadian
Birthplace: Montreal, QC, Canada
Hometown: Jersey City, New Jersey, USA
Born: 1972-04-15
Died: 2009-07-11
Age at Death: 37
Stance: Orthodox
Height: 5′ 7½″
Reach: 178
Manager: Pat Lynch
Trainers: James (Buddy) McGirt and Mickey Ward (current)

Considered as one the most exciting fighters the boxing game has ever produced, Arturo Gatti is one of the most recognized fighters today. Gatti has been involved in four Ring Magazine Fight of the Year bouts. Gatti won the IBF 130 lb title against Tracy Harris Patterson in 1995. He defended his belt three times before relinquising the title to move to 135 pounds. It was at that weight where Gatti lost to Angel Manfredy and Ivan Robinson in three consecutive fights. Some people called for his retirement after losing three in a row, and not winning a single fight in 1998. However Gatti roared back, and in 1999 and 2000 he ran up a string of victories before fighting Oscar De La Hoya.
Gatti lost handily to De La Hoya, but his courage was shown by refusing to quit and fighting on, after being dropped in the first round. A few fights later Gatti would engage in a three fight trilogy with Micky Ward, which is seen to be one of the best trilogies in the history of the sport. After the trilogy, Gatti was ranked number one contender by the WBC in the light welterweight class, and a fight was scheduled for the vacant title against Gianluca Branco. Gatti won the fight, and became a two-time champion, something many felt he would never be able to accomplish.
Gatti then stopped Leonard Dorin, who had never been knocked out before. He followed this with a victory over former champion Jesse James Leija. Finally a fight was set up between Gatti and the highly regarded Floyd Mayweather Jr., in June of 2005. Gatti lost the fight and was completely dominated, and stopped. As of September 2005, he has announced he will campaign at welterweight in the future. On July 22, 2006, Gatti lost to Carlos Manuel Baldomir by a ninth round stoppage in his bid to win the WBC welterweight title.
Death

Gatti was found deceased at 6am on July 11th, 2009 while on his second honeymoon in Porto de Galinhas, Brazil. He was found in his underwear, with blood stains on his neck and the back of his head. He was scheduled to testify in a trial in New York a few days later in a lawsuit filed against the New York State Athletic Commission by former opponent Joey Gamache. Foul play is suspected.[1]
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Ring Magazine Fight of the Year: 1997 (W KO5 Gabriel Ruelas), 1998 (L 10 Ivan Robinson), 2002 (L 10 Micky Ward), 2003 (W 10 Micky Ward)
Ring Magazine Knockout of the Year: 1997 (W KO5 Gabriel Ruelas)
Ring Magazine Upset of the Year: 1998 (L 10 Ivan Robinson)
Named The Ring magazine Comeback of the Year fighter for 2002.

Preceded by:
Tracy Harris Patterson IBF Super Featherweight Champion
1995 Dec 15 – 1998 Mar 13
Vacated Succeeded by:
Roberto Garcia
Preceded by:
Kostya Tszyu
Stripped WBC Light Welterweight Champion
2004 Jan 24 – 2005 Jun 25 Succeeded by:
Floyd Mayweather Jr.

kikibalt
07-11-2009, 07:12 PM
Arturo Gatti Killed!!
July 11, 2009 by James Allen

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Several boxing websites are reporting fan favorite Arturo Gatti has been found dead in a condo he was renting in Brazil. Apparently he was there with his wife and he spends time in the country. Rumors also suggest he may have had head trauma when found dead by his wife.

ESPN is reporting — Police in Brazil say former boxing champion Arturo Gatti has been found dead in a hotel room in the northeastern state of Pernambuco.

Police investigator Edislon Alves told The Associated Press that the body of the former junior welterweight champ was discovered Saturday morning in the posh seaside resort of Porto de Galinhas, where he arrived on Friday with his wife and 1-year-old son.

Alves said police were investigating. It was unclear how the 37-year-old Canadian died.

A spokeswoman for the public safety department said Gatti’s wife and son were unhurt.

“There were no bullet or stab wounds on his body, but police did find blood stains on the floor,” the spokeswoman said.

Gatti won the United States Boxing Association junior lightweight title and International Boxing Federation’s world junior lightweight title.

Gatti (40-9, 31 KOs) was best known for his all-action style, which was epitomized in his classic trilogy with Micky Ward in 2002 and 2003.

It’s why Gatti was a fixture at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J., where he drew huge crowds and fought many times, including the final nine fights of his career.

In his first fight after the Ward trilogy — which Gatti won 2-1 — he captured a world title in his second division, outpointing Gianluca Branco for the vacant WBC junior welterweight title.

Gatti made two defenses before losing it to Floyd Mayweather Jr. via sixth-round TKO in June 2005. He returned to defeat Thomas Damgaard but lost his final two bouts, a ninth-round TKO in a challenge to then-welterweight champion Carlos Baldomir in July 2006 followed by a one-sided beating from former “Contender” star Alfonso Gomez in July 2007.

In the dressing room following the seventh-round knockout loss to Gomez, Gatti announced his retirement.

He had been working in real estate in Montreal following his retirement, but still attended fights, as he did in April for the Timothy Bradley-Kendall Holt junior welterweight unification bout at the Bell Centre in Montreal.

ESPN.com boxing writer Dan Rafael and The Associated Press contributed to this report

prototypeofamodernmadman
07-11-2009, 07:13 PM
Couldn't beleive it. It only took a second or two to sink in and then my eyes just started to to get all watery. I couldn't beleive I was fuckn crying. Because Gatti was one of the first fighters that I started watching when I was really starting to get into the game when I was still in high school. He just had this quality that made it feel like you knew him like he was your friend even though you had never actually met. The only other fighter I ever cried after hearing of their death was Diego Corrales, to me he had that same quality where he affected you on a personal level.

It's sad when it happens to someone that seems so happy an full of life

GorDoom
07-11-2009, 07:14 PM
Arturo Gatti Career Record

40 Wins, 9 Losses, 31 Knockouts
1991
June 10 -- Jose Gonzales, Secaucus, New Jersey, TKO 3
July 7 -- Luis Melendez, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, KO 1
Aug. 2 -- Richard De Jesus, Newark, New Jersey, KO 1
Oct. 22 -- Francisco Aguiano, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, TKO 1

1992
Apr. 22 -- Antonio Gonzalez, East Rutherford, New Jersey, KO 1
May 15 -- Joe Lafontant, Atlantic City, New Jersey, W 6
Nov. 17 -- King Solomon, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, L 6

1993
Mar. 23 -- Plawen Goutchev, Rotterdam, Netherlands, TKO 1
Apr. 7 -- Curtis Mathis, Newark, New Jersey, TKO 3
May 15 -- Cliff Hicks, Brick, New Jersey, TKO 3
June 20 -- Cristino Suero, Atlantic City, New Jersey, KO 3
July 30 -- Robert Scott, New York City, New York, TKO 1
Aug. 24 -- Luis Guzman, Atlantic City, New Jersey, TKO 1
Oct. 23 -- Derek Francis, Atlantic City, New Jersey, KO 1
Nov. 11 -- Glenn Irizarry, Melville, New York, KO 1

1994
Jan. 8 -- Leon Bostic, Catskill, New York, W 8
May 6 -- Darrell Singleton, Atlantic City, New Jersey, TKO 1
June 28 -- Pete Taliaferro, Secaucus, New Jersey, TKO 1
Aug. 16 -- Richard Salazar, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, TKO 10
Nov. 22 -- Jose Sanabria, Secaucus, New Jersey, W 12

1995
Mar. 9 -- Roman Smolenkov, Groningen, Netherlands, KO 1
Apr. 22 -- Tialano Tovar, Atlantic City, New Jersey, KO 1
July 13 -- Barrington Francis, Atlantic City, New Jersey, TKO 6
Oct. 7 -- Carlos Vergara, Atlantic City, New Jersey, KO 1
Dec. 15 -- Tracy Patterson, New York City, New York, W 12
(Captured IBF junior lightweight title)

1996
Mar. 23 -- Wilson Rodriguez, New York City, New York, KO 6
(Retained IBF junior lightweight title)
July 11 -- Feliciano Correa, New York, New York, KO 3

1997
Feb. 22 -- Tracy Patterson, Atlantic City, New Jersey, W 12
(Retained IBF junior lightweight Title)
May 4 -- Calvin Grove, Atlantic City, New Jersey, TKO 7
Oct. 4 -- Gabriel Ruelas, Atlantic City, New Jersey, TKO 5
(Retained IBF junior lightweight Title)

1998
Jan. 17 -- Angel Manfredy, Atlantic City, New Jersey, TKO by 8
Aug. 23 -- Ivan Robinson, Atlantic City, New Jersey, L 10
Dec. 12 -- Ivan Robinson, Atlantic City, New Jersey, L 10

1999
Aug. 14 -- Reyes Munoz, Ledyard, Connecticut, KO 1

2000
Feb. 26 -- Joey Gamache, New York, New York, KO 2
Apr. 29 -- Eric Jakubowski, New York, New York, KO 2
Sept. 8 -- Joe Hutchinson, Montreal, Canada, W 10

2001
Mar. 24 -- Oscar De La Hoya, Las Vegas, Nevada, TKO by 5

2002
Jan. 26 -- Terronn Millett, New York, New York, TKO 4
May 18 -- Micky Ward, Uncasville, Connecticut, L 10
Nov. 23 -- Micky Ward, Atlantic City, New Jersey, W 10

2003
June 7 -- Micky Ward, Atlantic City, New Jersey, W 10

2004
Jan. 24 -- Gianluca Branco, Atlantic City, New Jersey, W 12
(Captured WBC junior welterweight title)
July 24 -- Leonard Dorin, Atlantic City, New Jersey, KO 2
(Retained WBC junior welterweight title)

2005
Jan. 29 -- Jesse James Leija, Atlantic City, New Jersey, KO 5 *RECAP*
(Retained WBC junior welterweight title)
June 25 -- Floyd Mayweather Jr., Atlantic City, NJ, TKO by 6 *RECAP*
(Lost WBC junior welterweight title)

2006
Jan. 28 -- Thomas Damgaard, Atlantic City, NJ, TKO 11 *RECAP*
July 22 -- Carlos Baldomir, Atlantic City, NJ, TKO by 9 *RECAP*
(For WBC Welterweight Title)

2007
07-14 -- Alfonso Gomez, Atlantic City, NJ, TKO by 7

MarkD
07-11-2009, 07:14 PM
This is just the worst news! RIP Warrior, you will be missed!

jim glen
07-11-2009, 07:18 PM
Former champion Arturo Gatti, who was scheduled to testify in a trial in New York this week in a lawsuit filed against the New York State Athletic commission by former opponent Joey Gamache,

surely there's No Link, boxing's not that crooked, is it???

Phillyfan
07-11-2009, 07:36 PM
37 and one of the nicest kids you'll ever meet. I'm lucky I live in NJ and got to see many of his fights. Always fan friendly with movie star looks. Super quiet and shy. One of the biggest hearts I ever saw in the ring. Refused to quit. This one really hurts and I am still in shock. RIP

GorDoom
07-11-2009, 07:38 PM
Jim:

While nothing surprises me anymore I have(want?) to believe that one would be a stretch. Who would put up the scratch to do a hit in Brazil? More likely it's was a random occurrence.

Dogman Tony told me that two MMA fighters were recently robbed & killed in Brazil; so who know what the hell happened to Gatti at this point?

ONE THING I KNOW IS THAT THIS SUCKS!!! Boxing, which can hardly spare one much less two, In Arguello & Gatti has lost two admirable ambassadors. Sure Arguello & Gatti had their problems & low points in life, who hasn't? But for myself I've never heard anything negative about them personally.

Two stand up guys with all the heart in the world & very fan friendly & media genic & their both gone much too soon....

R.I.P.

GorDoom

GanchoIzquierdo
07-11-2009, 07:39 PM
Despite all the criticism that he received during his career, he was truly a gutsy warrior who never failed to give fans their money's worth. May he rest in peace.

HE Grant
07-11-2009, 07:39 PM
Sounds very fishy ... terrible news ...he was a wild man .. who knows ?

kikibalt
07-11-2009, 08:38 PM
Arturo Gatti, former boxing champion, found dead in hotel

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Kirk McKoy / Los Angeles Times

Artuto Gatti, a Canadian who became an adopted son of New Jersey while fighting out of Atlantic City, won his first title in 1995.
One of the most exciting fighters of his generation was 37 years old. Police says it's unclear how he died.

Associated Press

July 11, 2009
SAO PAULO -- Former boxing champion Arturo Gatti, whose epic trilogy with Micky Ward branded him one of the most exciting fighters of his generation, was found dead in a hotel room in the posh seaside resort of Porto de Galihnas early Saturday.

Police investigator Edilson Alves told the Associated Press that the body of the former junior welterweight champ was discovered in his room at the tourist resort, where Gatti had arrived on Friday with his Brazilian wife Amanda and 1-year-old son.

Alves said police were investigating and it was unclear how the 37-year-old Canadian died.

"It is still too early to say anything concrete, although it is all very strange," Alves said. He declined to provide any additional details.

A spokeswoman for the state public safety department said Gatti's wife and son were unhurt. The woman declined to give a name in keeping with department policy.

"There were no bullet or stab wounds on his body, but police did find blood stains on the floor," she said.

Brazilian boxer and four-time world champion Acelino "Popo" Freitas told the G1 website of Brazil's largest TV network Globo that he was a close friend of Gatti and his wife, and that he "knew they were having some sort of problem and were about to separate."

Known for his straightforward punching and granite-like chin, Gatti captured the junior welterweight title in 1995, when he defeated Tracy Harris Patterson in Atlantic City, N.J. His brawling style and natural charisma made him a fan favorite, and he became one of New Jersey's adopted sons while fighting some of his most memorable battles on the Boardwalk.

"I never saw a crowd show so much love for someone like the way that the crowds flocked to Arturo's fights in Atlantic City," said referee Randy Neumann, who officiated Gatti's last fight against Alfonso Gomez two years ago. "I mean, they were so into him and the crowds were electric. He just fought his heart out every fight."

Gatti continued to keep a home in New Jersey after he retired in 2007, with a career record of 40-9 and 31 knockouts.

"His entire boxing career he fought with us, we've known him since he was 17," Kathy Duva of promoter Main Events told The Associated Press. "It's just an unspeakable tragedy. I can't even find words. It's a horror."

Gatti defended his title three times before moving up in weight and getting stopped by Angel Manfredy in 1997. He lost twice more before running off four straight wins, setting up a big payday against Oscar De La Hoya.

Although Gatti was knocked out in the fifth round of a lopsided fight, his almost cult-like following never wavered in its support.

"He just captured the imagination of so many people," Duva said. "We used to joke it was a crowd like the Grateful Dead's, it was the same people every time."

Gatti would later lose to big names like Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Carlos Baldomir, but it was his three-fight series against Ward that left an indelible impression on fight fans.

The first time they met, in May 2002, the 140-pounders traded devastating blows for 10 rounds before leaving it up to the judges to decide a winner. Ward earned the mixed decision, by one point on one scorecard and two points on another, in what Ring Magazine called "Fight of the Year."

The rematch was just as brutal, with Gatti knocking Ward down in the third round with a big right. Ward not only recovered from the blow, which broke Gatti's hand, but managed to go the distance. This time, Gatti earned a clear unanimous decision.

Gatti and Ward had their rubber match at Boardwalk Hall in June 2003, and it was again called "Fight of the Year" by Ring Magazine. Ward knocked Gatti to the floor in the sixth round, but despite fighting with his right hand broken again, Gatti managed to win the decision.

"I was sitting him at the post-fight press conference -- I can't remember which one -- and I looked at his hand and it was three times the normal size," Duva said. "He gave me this goofy grin and he said, 'Yeah, I know. We'll party tonight and I'll go to the hospital tomorrow."'

Gatti attempted a comeback in July 2007, getting knocked out in seven rounds by Gomez. Afterward, with his legion of fans cheering for him in the arena, Gatti announced his retirement in the dressing room at Boardwalk Hall.

Neumann said it was tough for him to end that fight, simply because of Gatti's incredible ability to come back in fights.

"I couldn't stop that fight, simply because he was Arturo Gatti," Neumann said. "He was much more dignified to go out that way. He had to be counted out. When he fought, you never knew if he could come back. He looked beaten and still came back."

With that loss, Gatti acknowledged the end of all his travails and triumphs.

"I remember walking away from his last fight, and somebody walked up to him in the casino late at night and congratulated him," Duva said. "And he said, 'Why did he congratulate me?' And I said, 'He was excited to meet you.' And he kind of looked very surprised by that.

"He had no idea what an icon he was or how much he meant to people."

Petey
07-11-2009, 08:48 PM
Sad and just plain fucked-up. RIP Arturo.

10-8
07-11-2009, 09:55 PM
Jesus Christ that's awful.

GorDoom
07-11-2009, 10:19 PM
While I'm in no way comparing them historically, Arturo Gatti in many ways carried the same warrior mantle that Carmen Basilio carried in the 50's & 60's into the '90's & the Oughts - just like The Onion Farmer did forty years before him.

& coincidentally both were Paisan's....

GorDoom

Michael Frank
07-11-2009, 10:27 PM
Just awful news.

The worst-ever couple of weeks for deaths of celebs/well-knowns that I am aware of. And Gatti, like Arguello, was a favorite of mine, and they were two of the finest ambassadors for boxing.

RIP, Arturo.

mrbig1
07-11-2009, 10:51 PM
Very sad day for the boxing world. It seems the good die young. R.I.P.

TDKO
07-11-2009, 10:58 PM
R.I.P. "Thunder" Gatti

A warrior who gave it his all, and all to the fans.....

vic_roc_13
07-12-2009, 01:07 AM
Gatti was awarrior in every sense of the word , A perenial fan favorite. His stye was that of the pugs of yesterday, A true sad day for boxing ! This has been a terrible last few weeks , may this young champ rest in peace!

doomeddisciple
07-12-2009, 04:00 AM
Only 37 and a 10 month old baby.

So bummed, RIP and copdolences and respect to his loved ones.

gregbeyer
07-12-2009, 04:36 AM
just came home.....

went to the bar and got drunk. took a cab home.... went to the deck and screamed..... FUCK.

i have often howled at the moon for reasons less than this. right now though....fuck the moon.... fuck the stars... fuck the nite and the day that brings this awful news.

prototype, your a young guy but your post struck me with its honest sorrow....

gordoom, somehow i fear the world can be this bad.

where do we hide our heros ? we may sing that only the good die young, but, we never accept it. we want our heros to live. so ,back to the question. where to hide our fragile heros.....

they are hidden on a canvas of no particular color....they live in a legend we always wished for ourselves. they forever live in a world no boxing fan can ever explain.

they live in our hearts and there forever will arturo live.


but...... FUUUUUUUUUUCK !

greg

Rob Morris
07-12-2009, 07:00 AM
Wow, absolutely shocked about this. RIP Champ. What a terrible week for boxing, first Alexis Arguello, then Johnny Caldwell, now Arturo Gatti.

Dogman_Tony
07-12-2009, 10:41 AM
ESPN is reporting that Gatti's wife is now the primary suspect. Gatti was struck on the head and then strangled with a purse strap. He and wife had been having marital troubles and planned to separate.

kikibalt
07-12-2009, 10:44 AM
Montreal boxer Arturo Gatti mourned as legend

By Max Harrold, The GazetteJuly 12,

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Arturo Gatti poses during a photo shoot at the World Boxing and Fitness Center in Jersey City, New Jersey on August 9, 2006.Photograph by: Al Bello, Getty ImagesThe man who may have been Quebec’s most exciting boxer was mourned by friends Saturday as a legend, and they said his sudden and suspicious death in Brazil was a true shocker.

Former boxing champion Arturo (Thunder) Gatti, 37, was found dead and bloodied in a room in the posh seaside resort of Porto de Galihnas early Saturday.

Gatti, who is boxer Dave Hilton’s former brother-in-law, had arrived there on Friday on a second honeymoon with his Brazilian wife Amanda Carine Rodrigues, and their 10-month-old son, Arturo Jr.

Gatti retired in 2007 with a career record of 40-9 and 31 knockouts. His epic trilogy of bouts with Micky Ward branded him as one of the most exciting fighters of his generation, boxing observers said.

Brazilian police investigator Edilson Alves told reporters that police were investigating how the former junior welterweight champ died.

Media reports said he was found with wounds to his upper body.

Jeremy Filosa, a close Montreal friend of Gatti, told The Gazette that Brazilian police were questioning Rodrigues Saturday.

Gatti had been expected in Florida for the wedding Saturday of his sister Anna-Maria, Filosa said. Anna-Maria is Dave Hilton’s ex-wife.

The dead boxer’s mother wanted to fly to Brazil but could not because she did not have a passport, Filosa added. The family was scrambling late Saturday to get a member of the family to Brazil.

Gatti, who had recently moved back from the United States to Montreal North and owned two condominium buildings there, was known for his perseverance.

“When he would go down he would come back up,” Filosa, 34, said. “That’s what made him so exciting. That’s why he was called Thunder.”

Filosa, a sports reporter for CKAC radio, said Gatti’s aggressive style made him the most-crowned boxer from Quebec.

Gatti was born in Italy but moved to Montreal with his family as a young boy, Filosa said. His energy in the ring was electrifying to spectators, he added.

“He had no defence. He never fought with his arms up,” Filosa said. “He was too busy giving or taking punches.”

Ian Clyde, a former Canadian Olympic boxing team member who first met Gatti as a teenager, said Gatti was “a crowd-pleaser with a powerful left hook and he just didn’t quit. His style was kind of like Rocky (Balboa) of the Rocky films. ”

Many of his wins were knock-outs, Clyde, 53, noted.

Growing up in Montreal North, Gatti was cool-headed and very popular, his second cousin, Monica Gatti, 32, said.

“I remember people wanted to know me because he was in my family, “ she said. “He was good-looking and all the girls wanted to meet him.”

Filosa said he and three other close friends of Gatti got together yesterday to regroup and talk about Gatti’s death.

“We’re stunned. We were worried about him since he left boxing. He seemed to have a tough time adjusting to life” in retirement.

This spring, Rodrigues called 911 to say that Gatti hit her. He was charged with assault, but failed to appear in court. When he appeared April 17, he was released on bail and was ordered to stay 200 metres from Rodrigues, abstain from alcohol and have no weapons.

Kathy Duva of promoter Main Events said of Gatti: “His entire boxing career, he fought with us. We’ve known him since he was 17. It’s just an unspeakable tragedy. I can’t even find words. It’s a horror.”

Gatti defended his title three times before moving up in weight and getting stopped by Angel Manfredy in 1997. He lost twice more before running off four straight wins, setting up a big payday against Oscar De La Hoya.

Although Gatti was knocked out in the fifth round of a lopsided fight, his almost cult-like following never wavered in its support.

“He just captured the imagination of so many people,” Duva said. “We used to joke it was a crowd like the Grateful Dead’s, it was the same people every time.”

With his straightforward punching and granite-like chin, Gatti captured the junior welterweight title in 1995, when he defeated Tracy Harris Patterson in Atlantic City, N.J. His brawling style and natural charisma made him a fan favorite, and he became one of New Jersey’s adopted sons while fighting some of his most memorable battles on the Boardwalk.

“I never saw a crowd show so much love for someone like the way that the crowds flocked to Arturo’s fights in Atlantic City,” said referee Randy Neumann, who officiated Gatti’s last fight against Alfonso Gomez two years ago.

Sports Ticker contributed to this report

mharrold@thegazette.canwest.com

Chuck1052
07-12-2009, 11:16 AM
R.I.P Arturo Gatti! I hope that Gatti's family, friends and fans accept my condolences.

- Chuck Johnston

Dan1213
07-12-2009, 11:22 AM
Police detain wife of former boxing champion Gatti
By TALES AZZONI, Associated Press Writer 33 minutes ago


SAO PAULO (AP)—The wife of former boxing champion Arturo Gatti was detained as a suspect by Brazilian authorities Sunday following his death at a posh seaside resort.
Police said 23-year-old Amanda Rodrigues was taken into custody after contradictions in her interrogation. Gatti’s body was found early Saturday in a hotel room at the Porto de Galinhas resort in northeastern Brazil.

The former junior welterweight champion was apparently strangled with the strap of a purse, which was found at the scene with blood stains, said Milena Saraiva, a spokeswoman for the Pernambuco state civil police. She told The Associated Press that the Canadian also had a head injury.

The investigation was not complete, but Saraiva said authorities were preparing to present a formal accusation against Rodrigues, who denied being involved in her husband’s death.

Police said Rodrigues, a Brazilian, could not explain how she spent nearly 10 hours in the room without noticing that Gatti was already dead.

Police were investigating witness reports that the couple fought and Gatti was drunk when he returned to his room Friday night, Saraiva said, adding that police were told the pair were extremely jealous of each other and that he constantly complained of her clothing when she traveled to Brazil.

Acelino “Popo” Freitas, a four-time world champion Brazilian boxer, told Globo TV’s Web site on Saturday that he was a close friend of Gatti and his wife and that he “knew they were having some sort of problem and were about to separate.”

The couple’s 1-year-old son, who was unhurt, was with Rodrigues’ sister, Saraiva said.

The 37-year-old Gatti, whose epic trilogy with Micky Ward branded him one of the most exciting fighters of his generation, retired in 2007 with a career record of 40-9 and 31 knockouts.

Known for his straightforward punching and granite-like chin, Gatti captured the junior welterweight title in 1995, when he defeated Tracy Harris Patterson in Atlantic City.

GorDoom
07-12-2009, 11:26 AM
ARTURO GATTI FIGHTS TODAY(7/12) ON ESPN CLASSIC!

ESPN Classic will be showing some of Gatti's best fights today starting at noon (pacific) & 3:00 p.m. They will probably run them again later in the evening.

These fights are not listed because the made the programming change this morning.

GorDoom

DscribeDC
07-12-2009, 11:53 AM
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/664878

Could Gatti have been strangled by his own wife with a purse strap?

Ron Lipton
07-12-2009, 01:26 PM
Here is a web page (http://www.fanhouse.com/news/main/police-detain-wife-of-former-boxing/567300) that says his wife might have done it and is a suspect with the police, because Arturo kept asking her not to wear the type of clothing that would draw down any male trouble on them while together. They had arguments and the police suspect she might have strangled him in his sleep and struck him in the skull.

Horrible stuff, so tragic.

I posted a link to a boxing article saying his wife is a suspect. I can't find my posts.

The article stated they argued about her wearing risque clothing or words to that affect which Arturo argued about with her. It also said she stayed in the room for 10 hours with his body before calling the police.

It said he was hit in the head and possibly strangled with a cord and the police suspect her as being involved in the killing.

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

I feel so bad for him and his child. He was set to testify in the Gamache v NYSAC case too.

Sorry for the computer problems. My computer blocked out the rest of the posts.

If he was hit in the head and hurt badly he could have been strangled by any person, woman or otherwise.

Chris Nagel
07-12-2009, 03:42 PM
This one nearly took the wind out of me. He showed so much heart and gameness that we loved him for it. Courage under fire, and always one hell of a competitor.

God Bless him.

Theo Netherland
07-12-2009, 04:56 PM
I just saw the three Arturo Gatti vs Micky Ward fights. Well that’s not hard to do. If you see the first one you want to see the second one. And after that you want to see the third. RIP Arturo Gatti.

jim glen
07-12-2009, 05:59 PM
Brazilian authorities have charged the wife of former boxing champion Arturo Gatti with first-degree murder on Sunday following his death at a posh seaside tourist resort in Brazil.

Police said 23-year-old Amanda Rodrigues was taken into custody after contradictions in her interrogation. The Canadian boxer's body was found early Saturday in a hotel room at the Porto de Galinhas resort in northeastern Brazil.

A later report by CBC News said police had formally charged Rodrigues.


does anybody know anything about this gal, was she a Gheto snipe or a normal everyday girl pushed beyond her emotions?

Dan1213
07-12-2009, 07:05 PM
SAO PAULO -- The wife of former boxing champion Arturo Gatti was charged with murder in his death at a posh seaside report, the New York Daily News reported Sunday.
Police said 23-year-old Amanda Rodrigues was taken into custody and held as a suspect after contradictions in her interrogation. Gatti's body was found early Saturday in a hotel room at the Porto de Galinhas resort in northeastern Brazil.

The former junior welterweight champion was apparently strangled with the strap of a purse, which was found at the scene with blood stains, said Milena Saraiva, a spokeswoman for the Pernambuco state civil police. She told The Associated Press that the Canadian also had a head injury.

The investigation was not complete, but Saraiva said authorities were preparing to present a formal accusation against Rodrigues, who denied being involved in her husband's death.

Police said Rodrigues, a Brazilian, could not explain how she spent nearly 10 hours in the room without noticing that Gatti was already dead.

Police were investigating witness reports that the couple fought and Gatti was drunk when he returned to his room Friday night, Saraiva said, adding that police were told the pair were extremely jealous of each other and that he constantly complained of her clothing when she traveled to Brazil.

Acelino "Popo" Freitas, a four-time world champion Brazilian boxer, told Globo TV's Web site on Saturday that he was a close friend of Gatti and his wife and that he "knew they were having some sort of problem and were about to separate."

The couple's 1-year-old son, who was unhurt, was with Rodrigues' sister, Saraiva said.

The 37-year-old Gatti, whose epic trilogy with Micky Ward branded him one of the most exciting fighters of his generation, retired in 2007 with a career record of 40-9 and 31 knockouts.

Known for his straightforward punching and granite-like chin, Gatti captured the junior welterweight title in 1995, when he defeated Tracy Harris Patterson in Atlantic City.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

rocky111
07-12-2009, 07:18 PM
I cant believe this....I can relate to this as a woman I knew was behind the shooting I suffered and the plan was to murder me. Whats going on in this world. Who the hell is safe. My man Arturo gone....What the hell....

Ron Lipton
07-12-2009, 08:31 PM
What the hell did the poor champ do, just ask her to dress down as the mother of his child so that he did not have to smash a wiseguy's face in every two blocks, what an unreasonable request that is.

I don't know the facts, no one does yet, but if he wanted to leave her because she wanted to dress in a way that draws down trouble wherever you go, then he had every right to leave, not be killed.

Plenty of women would have cooperated with him to tone it down a bit rather than walk around in outfits that caused him to get in fights with drooling punks disrespecting him. I met him a few times at the fights and he was a down to earth kid all the way. Its not like this was a young Cassius Clay asking Sonji Roy to wear Muslim long dresses.

He had to be struck in the head very hard and then choked out. What is this crap about this woman being there for 10 hours while the poor guy lay there dead and she didn't know it. It sounds like more of I killed him, and I don't know how to cover it up type of thing.

Hope I am 100% wrong, I really do.

jim glen
07-13-2009, 04:39 AM
My initial thought on this sad news was a 'robber' gone wrong, an inside job even, with Hotel staff letting some seedy friends in to do the business. I then read Gatti was due to testify this week in NY and thought, "Oh no, not a hit from Boxing's underworld!"

But to hear of a death at the hands of his young bride, obviously a volitile relationship they must have had. I don't know her background but 'if' it was a modest one growing up 'rough & ready' then that kind of behaviour can be commonplace...

was ANY of her family with them, sisters, brothers,? there could be more in this.

Ron you can't ask ANY self-centered individual, Male or Female to show a little decency in this day & age, it's "All about me!!!"

JLP 6
07-13-2009, 08:38 AM
I didn't need to see this Monday morning.

Round 9 will be forever the greatest round in boxing history for my money.

How is Mickey doing? Gotta check.

I am praying for the Gatti familia.

Dan1213
07-13-2009, 10:00 AM
What the hell did the poor champ do, just ask her to dress down as the mother of his child so that he did not have to smash a wiseguy's face in every two blocks, what an unreasonable request that is.

I don't know the facts, no one does yet, but if he wanted to leave her because she wanted to dress in a way that draws down trouble wherever you go, then he had every right to leave, not be killed.

Plenty of women would have cooperated with him to tone it down a bit rather than walk around in outfits that caused him to get in fights with drooling punks disrespecting him. I met him a few times at the fights and he was a down to earth kid all the way. Its not like this was a young Cassius Clay asking Sonji Roy to wear Muslim long dresses.

He had to be struck in the head very hard and then choked out. What is this crap about this woman being there for 10 hours while the poor guy lay there dead and she didn't know it. It sounds like more of I killed him, and I don't know how to cover it up type of thing.

Hope I am 100% wrong, I really do.

Ron, this just came over the wire.




SAO PAULO(AP)—Brazilian authorities detained the wife of former boxing champion Arturo Gatti and formally accused her Sunday of killing him at a posh seaside tourist resort in Brazil.

Police said 23-year-old Amanda Rodrigues was taken into custody after contradictions in her interrogation and presented a formal accusation against her. Prosecutors will later decide whether she will be charged.

Rodrigues, who denies any involvement in her husband’s death, was the first to find the slain boxer’s body early Saturday inside the vacation apartment they were renting at the Porto de Galinhas resort in northeastern Brazil, police said.

The former junior welterweight champion was apparently strangled with the strap of a purse, which was found at the scene with blood stains, said Milena Saraiva, a spokeswoman for the Pernambuco state civil police. She told The Associated Press that the Canadian also sustained a head injury.

Police said Rodrigues, a Brazilian, could not explain how she spent nearly 10 hours inside the residence without noticing that Gatti was already dead.

Rodrigues told police she had a fight with Gatti after dinner Friday night and he pushed her to the ground during the altercation, causing her to sustain minor injuries to her elbow and chin. She told authorities Gatti was drunk and that a third party likely committed the crime after he went to the apartment by himself.

Witnesses had reported to police that the couple fought and that Gatti was drunk.

Authorities were told the couple was extremely jealous of each other and that Gatti constantly complained about her clothing when she traveled to Brazil, Saraiva said.

Acelino “Popo” Freitas, a four-time world champion Brazilian boxer, told Globo TV’s Web site on Saturday that he was a close friend of Gatti and his wife and that he “knew they were having some sort of problem and were about to separate.”

They had planned to spend one month in Brazil on vacation.

The couple’s 1-year-old son, who was unhurt, was handed to Rodrigues’ sister, Saraiva said.

The 37-year-old Gatti, whose epic trilogy with Micky Ward branded him one of the most exciting fighters of his generation, retired in 2007 with a career record of 40-9 and 31 knockouts.

Known for his straightforward punching and granite-like chin, Gatti captured the super featherweight title in 1995, when he defeated Tracy Harris Patterson in Atlantic City, N.J. He won the junior welterweight title in 2004.

diggity
07-13-2009, 11:15 AM
killer? I'm thinking she had some family come do it. Wasn't she from Brazil?

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GorDoom
07-13-2009, 11:42 AM
Arturo Gatti: Reflections on The Human Highlight Reel
By Keith Idec from Boxing Scene

As the disturbing details of Arturo Gatti’s gruesome murder continued to be released by Brazilian authorities Sunday, those that loved boxing’s “Blood and Guts Warrior” tried their best to focus on what made Gatti perhaps the most fascinating fighter of his generation.

“I feel like it was such a privilege to be part of [Gatti’s career], particularly that run of nine fights at Boardwalk Hall,” said Kathy Duva, chief executive officer for Main Events. “That’ll never be duplicated by anyone. When he got in that ring, he was absolute magic.”

Main Events, a Totowa, N.J., company, promoted Gatti throughout his 16-year pro career and helped make him a legend that former New Jersey boxing commissioner Larry Hazzard often said was single-handedly responsible for revitalizing boxing in Atlantic City earlier this decade.

The Italian-born Gatti, a longtime New Jersey resident, became bigger than ever following his thrilling trilogy against Massachusetts’ Micky Ward in 2002 and 2003. Their last two junior welterweight brawls, 10-round fights that Gatti won by unanimous decision, started an incredible run of nine straight Gatti fights that drew capacity crowds in excess of 11,000 to Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City from November 2002-July 2007.

Gatti lost three of his final four fights there from 2005-2007, but his loyal legion of supporters didn’t care. They kept coming back because Gatti gave fight fans as much entertainment value for their money as humanly possible.

Often with swollen skin and nasty gashes around his eyes, Gatti’s incomparable courage, inconceivable recuperative powers and countless comebacks made wins and losses almost meaningless. Gatti (40-9, 31 KOs) continually delivered drama that made him must-see TV on HBO, which televised 21 Gatti fights from 1995-2007, despite that the gutsy slugger from Montreal was never considered one of the top pound-for-pound boxers in the sport.

Nearly 11 years later, Ivan Robinson remains amazed that Gatti withstood all those punches he landed in their August 1998 fight in Atlantic City. Philadelphia’s Robinson won that highlight-filled fight by split decision and it was later named “Fight of the Year” by The Ring magazine. Both of their 10-round fights in Atlantic City were re-broadcast Sunday night by ESPN Classic as a tribute to Gatti, whom police in Brazil believe was murdered by his wife, Amanda Rodrigues, a 23-year-old former stripper, on Saturday in Porto de Galihnas, Brazil.

“For a fighter like Arturo Gatti to die like this, it’s devastating,” Robinson said. “It’s crushing. Of course you want to think back about [the two fights] we had down in Atlantic City, but it goes beyond that. The respect I had for him, the love that I had for him, I can’t even put it into words. He was a tremendous person, as well as a tremendous fighter.

“His recuperative powers were like Superman over kryptonite. When you thought you had him done, that’s when he was at his best. People will remember him as boxing’s highlight guy. When you thought he was out, he wasn’t. That’s when he came back. I can’t say enough good things about him.”

Gatti’s critics suspected his career was virtually over after Gatti lost a unanimous decision to Robinson in their 10-round rematch in December 1998. He won four straight bouts thereafter, though, including his infamous fight against Joey Gamache at Madison Square Garden in February 2000 and his bloody battle against Joe Hutchinson in September 2000 in Montreal.

His winning streak earned Gatti what was perceived to be a parting gift from HBO for all those unforgettable fights, a $1.8 million payday for facing Oscar De La Hoya at welterweight. De La Hoya stopped Gatti in the fifth round, but Gatti re-invented himself yet again by moving back down to junior welterweight. A fourth-round TKO defeat of former champion Terron Millett moved Gatti into his first fight against Ward in May 2002, a classic clash that immortalized opponents who became close friends because they had so much respect for each other.

“He was a great guy,” Ward told the New York Daily News. “He enjoyed life. People don’t understand how two guys who beat the heck out of each other could become friends, but that’s what happened. He was the heart and soul of boxing. I’m going to miss him.”

Gatti and Ward often played golf and spent time together at charity events following their third fight.

They partied plenty together, too, as Gatti was known to do with or without Ward. Gatti’s fast lifestyle outside the ring was almost as legendary as so many of his fights became inside it.

Drug and alcohol abuse, as well as various volatile relationships with women, were constant causes for concern among the people who loved him.

“I always worried something was going to happen to him in the ring, and it never did,” said Carl Moretti, who worked for Main Events during most of Gatti’s career. “But Pat Lynch (Gatti’s career-long manager) and I used to say the safest place for him was in the ring, just because of his lifestyle. We always felt relieved when we had the date from HBO, knew who the opponent was and he went off to camp. Because it was rare that he would screw up in camp.

“He would go to camp for three months, with conditioning and then boxing. Then he’d get in the ring and go toe-to-toe with guys in fights of the year, and we always said that was the safest place for him. He was in an environment where, in a way, beating the heck out of each other was his way of escaping what was going on outside the ring.”

Gatti married Rodrigues in August 2007, once he retired in the aftermath of a seventh-round technical knockout defeat to Alfonso Gomez. They lived together in New Jersey, but later moved to Montreal, where Gatti made numerous real estate investments with some of the nearly $30 million he earned during his boxing career.

He most recently attended the Timothy Bradley-Kendall Holt junior welterweight championship unification fight on April 4 at Bell Centre in Montreal. Gatti sat ringside, alongside Rodrigues, and cheered wildly for Holt, whom Gatti knew since they trained at the same Paterson, N.J., boxing gym in the early 1990s.

The unassuming Gatti was besieged by fans seeking autographs and photographs throughout the night, much the way he was whenever he was in Atlantic City.

“Arturo was a living legend and he didn’t seem to understand why,” Duva said. “I think it was after the (Carlos) Baldomir (loss), and we were walking through the casino when it was over and we were all sad, obviously. And somebody walked up to him and congratulated him. He looked at me and said, ‘What did he congratulate me for?’ I said, ‘He loves you. Don’t you understand? This guy is going to tell his grandkids that he met you, that he shook your hand. Understand how important that is.’ And he really didn’t.

“That’s part of why he never had an ego, never was full of himself, always was considerate, thoughtful and sweet in his own way. He called me every Christmas morning. He was unlike any fighter I’ve ever known.”

GorDoom
07-13-2009, 11:45 AM
Boxing Is Missing A Piece of Its Heart Now
By Jason Petock, DoghouseBoxing

Today is a sad and tragic day for all fans of boxing, as it has been reported that Arturo Gatti has left this earthly plane. No fighter will be able to replace the ferocity and true heart that Arturo fought with in the ring, a man who literally encompassed what it meant to be a fighter and actually fight for a living, not just go through the motions. He showed us all what a man could do when he would put it all on the line everytime he laced up the gloves, and his loss is saddening and too abrupt. Boxing is missing a large piece of its heart right now that cannot be replaced, that piece was Arturo “Thunder” Gatti.

I actually never had the honor or privilege of meeting Arturo in person. Nor have I ever seen any of his bouts live, although I always wanted to. Out of all of the fighters out there, living or deceased, I honestly have to say that Gatti was truly my favorite. I had tried in vain once to get an interview with him. Luckily, I got to speak to Arturo for about 3 minutes, and as one of his biggest fans, those were the best three minutes of my life. I was humbled when I was told by Danny McDermott, also a fighter, that Arturo had read an article of mine and that it motivated him and he agreed with what I had written. It made me feel proud that a hero of mine had taken notice of me and my small little world. I’ll never forget any of that.

Boxing media over time hasn’t been particularly too kind to Arturo Gatti. When they weren’t dissecting his opponents, or judging him very harshly, they were immediately rushing him out the door, even when he still had a quarter tank of gas left in the tank. He fought everyone and anyone he could, and refused to duck fighters, something that has become commonplace these days in a weaker society it seems. I always defended the man in my writing, and chose not to follow the crowds, who are generally more interested in sensationalism and less interested in telling the truth. I write as a fan and because I love the sport, and technically I am not a writer. At least in the sense of boxing journalism. Boxing writers write to make money and deface fighters careers often, I write as a fan like I said and make no money doing it.

What is even sadder is that now those very same writers who would slam Arturo Gatti and his career will now hop off of their original bandwagons and get onto other ones, so that they can shine in the fall of a great fighter. I miss you Arturo already, although we never knew one another, you were always a hero of mine and someone who I looked up to and admired from a distance. Your wars in the ring gave me hope in troubling times. You let me know that anything could be accomplished and that it is a man’s heart and will that make him persevere and nothing more. I only wish that I could have met you. Maybe one day I’ll meet you in Heaven, if they’ll take me that is.

Goodbye Arturo “Thunder” Gatti. They say when someone dies that the sky opens up and the angels cry for them. I know they are crying for you as well Champ. You are missed by all and there is a void in boxing where you once were. There can never be a fighter to come along and take your place and your career is inspirational, motivating and a lesson for us all. Rest well Arturo, you’ve earned it.

GorDoom
07-13-2009, 11:47 AM
Far Off Thunder: Micky Ward Lost A Brother
By Michael Woods from Sweet Science

Micky Ward lost a piece of himself when the world lost his fiercest rival, and blood brother, Arturo Gatti, on Saturday morning.

Ward, the Massachusetts boxer who tangled with Gatti twice in 2002 and once in 2003, in a thrillogy for the ages, talked to TSS on Saturday night. He’d talked to Gatti just two weeks ago, and was looking forward to seeing his pal in a couple weeks. From Canada, Gatti called Ward, and said he’d be flying in to Boston to hang with Ward and meet actors Mark Wahlberg and Christian Bale, who will start filming “The Fighter,” about Ward and half-brother Dicky Ecklund next week. Micky was looking forward to seeing the man who he’d battled, hammer and tong, for thirty rounds.

They traded hooks, mingled blood and sweat, but came away with boundless respect for each other. Two throwback fighters, two men with a couple holes in their game, yes, who each made up for it with a seemingly never-ending supply of guts. Some of each man’s blood seeped into the other man’s bloodstream during their three clashes, and an eternal bond was thus established.

Gatti and Ward became fast friends from a distance after their first memorable encounter on May 18, 2002 at the Mohegan Sun Casino in Connecticut. Ward’s ninth round knockdown provided him with a buffer on the scorecards enroute to a majority nod. But there was still brutal business to conduct, in the form of two more bouts, on Nov. 23 of the same year, and on June 7, 2003, so they waited until Ward hung up the gloves, after the last scrap, to really cement their bond.

“It’s just crazy,” said Ward, the 43-year-old left hooker who was known for wrecking more livers than the Busch family in his 51 fight, 18 year pro career. “I can’t believe it. Part of me is gone.

“I feel bad for his mother, and sister and brothers, his whole family. A big part of me is gone. Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the most respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it.”

Beyond the three distance bouts, of which Ward won the first, and Gatti took the last two, the Irishman will hold onto memories of the French-Canadian slugger as ferociously as he dug in his liver busting hook that he looked to place to close the show. Maybe his favorite recall came after their third scrap.

Both men took their lumps, as usual, and after the bout, they were taken separately to a hospital for stitches and observation. Ward’s personal doctor, Dr. Steven Margles, was tending to Micky. He went to a curtain five feet from Ward’s bed, and told Mick, “A buddy of yours is here,” as he ripped the curtain back. In the next bed was Gatti. The rivals laughed, and looked at each other with a level of respect none of us can hope to comprehend.

Damn right they tried to separate each others’ heads from their shoulders, send it into the front row, in each of the thirty rounds they rumbled. But Gatti never talked trash to hype a bout, never moaned if he didn’t get his hand raised at the end of the night. Ward loved that about Gatti.

“He was never a big mouth,” Ward said. “He was just a humble guy.”

They tried to beat each others’ heads in, and tried to get the better each on the links, too. But they tag-teamed, as well, in Gatti’s last fight, against Alfonso Gomez on July 14, 2007. Ward trained Gatti, and the two men enjoyed the Florida camp to prep for Gomez. They got up early to run together, and went to the gym together to train in the afternoon. Gatti didn’t have all that much left, and the Contender Gomez looked like a superstar against this shell of the Human Highlight Reel. No matter. Ward will hold onto the fond memories.

Micky Ward is forever linked to Arturo Gatti. A Ward obituary will not be complete with a mention of his rival, his blood brother. A piece of Ward died when Gatti passed away Saturday, and his existence will now be tinged with an element of mournfulness, for the man who tried to render him helpless on three nights in 2002 and 2003.

“We had the most respect for each other,” Ward said, in closing. “He’s up there, looking down.”

Most of us can’t wrap our brain around the concept of harkening back to a night of vicious trades, and bruises and contusions and stitches with any degree of fondness, but Ward and Gatti are and were not like us. We can’t, none of us can’t, hope to truly comprehend men like this, who forged a bond in a 20-by-20 battlefield. Through the act of trying to render the other unconscious, they enjoyed an intimacy that resulted in an eternal regard.

No, none of us will really get it. And so sadly, the small club of people who do get it was reduced by one on Saturday. If you feel like it, after you say a little prayer for those Gatti left behind, including a one-year-old son Arturo Jr., save one for Micky. On Saturday, he lost, for all intents and purposes, a brother.

kikibalt
07-13-2009, 11:51 AM
Arturo Gatti’s wife
By Edgar Gonzalez

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Photo of Amanda Rodrigues, the 23-year-old wife of murdered boxer Arturo Gatti, being escorted by police
BY Harold Emert In Rio De Janeiro and Samuel Goldsmith In New York DAILY NEWS WRITERS

Boxing legend Arturo Gatti’s sexy stripper-wife choked the life out of him with her purse strap while he slept in a swanky Brazilian resort, cops charged Sunday.

Amanda Carine Barbosa Rodrigues, a 23-year-old former exotic dancer, looked unfazed as cops escorted her out of a police station in Recife, Brazil.

The stunner’s eyes were hidden by giant designer sunglasses as she walked to a police cruiser in low-rise blue jeans and a clingy white top that showed off the toned physique that first caught Gatti’s eye.

The busty bombshell’s purse was found stained with blood in their rented apartment at the luxurious Dorisol Resort in the turquoise-water paradise town of Porto de Galinhas.

“She is the only suspect,” a police spokesman said.

The couple – who had met while she danced at a club in Brazil – were vacationing there to celebrate a second honeymoon after rekindling their relationship following a brief breakup, friends said.

Carl Moretti, who promoted many of Gatti’s fights, said he always worried the 37-year-old former Jersey City star spent too much time in strip clubs picking up the wrong women.

“Among friends who knew him, no one felt that this was a good relationship,” Moretti said. “The relationship was not based on love. It could get violent at times.”

Moretti said he had heard through Gatti’s manager, Pat Lynch, that Rodrigues threw a lamp at Gatti on a recent trip to Montreal.

“They were always fighting,” he said. “It never stopped. But clearly, you didn’t think that it would lead to this.”

Authorities detained the tight-bodied beauty early yesterday because of contradictions in her story when she was first questioned. Police called her version of what had happened “inconsistent and incoherent.”

Rodrigues could not explain how she had spent nearly 10hours in the room without noticing that Gatti was dead, authorities said.

The couple went to a bar Friday night and began to argue, witnesses said. Rodrigues told cops Gatti got drunk, hit her and pushed her to the floor.

Witnesses said the two were still fighting when they returned from the bar early Saturday morning.

Rodrigues was being examined at the Medical Legal Institute near their vacation spot and will spend the night in prison.

Gatti, who won 40 of his 49 professional fights, including 31 by knockout, was raised in Montreal but became a star in Atlantic City, where he won his first title. He moved to New Jersey in 1991 and delighted crowds there until his retirement in 2007.

Nicknamed Thunder, he won world championships in two different weight classes, 130 pounds and 140pounds.

“She murdered her husband and left her child an orphan,” said Lou DiBella, a former executive at HBO who put together several of Gatti’s more memorable fights.

“Now she’s going to spend the rest of her life in prison. This is just too much a tragedy.”

Photo by Clemilson Campos/JC Imagem/PAGOS

DscribeDC
07-13-2009, 12:29 PM
http://www.examiner.com/x-5699-NY-Boxing-Examiner~y2009m7d13-Gattis-wife-face-of-angel-mind-of-devil-Killer-or-battered-woman

Can you believe this is the face of a killer? Mike Marley reports that Gatti had been charged with spousal abuse, so maybe this was payback. A really sordid tale that is bound to get weirder and uglier. Don't mess with those South American women...

walshb
07-13-2009, 12:56 PM
Gatti must have been heavily intoxicated and out of it before the killing, if we
are to believe a woman is the killer.

The Welterweight Epitome
07-13-2009, 01:15 PM
I must say, the heart of Arturo has had a profound impact on my life through some of my most troubled times. It reallly helped me push through a couple of dramatic events in my life (and is a reason I love this sport so much). I even have a daily reminder of this spirit of his on me everywhere I go.

I have cried after hearing this news and feel deeply deeply empty.

RIP Arturo and thankyou for such courage.

hawk5ins
07-13-2009, 01:38 PM
I have a feeling we are not going to want to know what really happened and what caused all of this.

I think I'm going to ignore this topic for a while and simply choose to remember Gatti the boxer.

Latest news brief (much of what has been already printed)-

Police: Gatti strangled while he sleptComment Email Print Share Associated Press

RIO DE JANEIRO -- Police investigating the death of former boxing champion Arturo Gatti are working on the assumption his wife strangled him with her purse strap while he drunkenly slept.

While cautioning that nothing is being ruled out, lead investigator Moises Teixeira told The Associated Press on Monday he is certain the woman acted alone.

"It was technically impossible for a third person to have been in the flat" where Gatti was found dead early Saturday, Teixeira said. "The investigation isn't finished, but we continue to think she did this alone."

Gatti's 23-year-old Brazilian wife, Amanda Rodrigues, told investigators she awoke Saturday about 6 a.m. to find her husband's body in the apartment they rented in Porto de Galinhas, a seaside resort in northeastern Pernambuco state.

Rodrigues told police she had a fight with Gatti after dinner Friday night and he pushed her to the ground, resulting in minor injuries to her elbow and chin. Witnesses also reported to police the couple fought and that Gatti was drunk.

Rodrigues told police the 37-year-old former junior welterweight champion then got into a cab with their son and returned to their rented apartment, leaving her alone downtown.

Teixeira said witnesses told police Gatti left his son to sleep in the apartment, then returned to the city center to find his wife. She arrived at the apartment before he did and waited for him. They then both went upstairs together.

Rodrigues told police she slept on the second floor of the apartment with her son, while Gatti slept on the first floor. She told police she awoke at 6 a.m. to feed her son and discovered her husband's body. Police say he most likely had been killed at least four hours before that.

Teixeira said police do not think anyone else entered the apartment and killed Gatti -- he said there were no signs of forced entry and electronic locks indicated nobody else had entered the room aside from Rodrigues and Gatti.

The pair married in 2007 and according to Rodrigues had a rocky relationship. Authorities were told the couple was extremely jealous of each other and that Gatti constantly complained about her clothing when she traveled to Brazil, police spokeswoman Milena Saraiva said.

According to Brazilian law, police accuse a person of a crime but it is up to the prosecutor to formally file a charge. Teixeira said police have until July 22 to deliver their findings to the prosecutor's office, but he hoped the investigation would be completed before then.

Rodrigues was accused of the crime Sunday and taken into police custody. She has been transferred to a woman's prison in the state capital Recife. She maintains her innocence.

Gatti, Rodrigues and their 10-month-old son arrived in Brazil on Friday for what they told a local real estate agent was a second honeymoon. The baby, who was unhurt, is now with Rodrigues' family in Brazil.

Gatti, a Canadian, fought an epic trilogy with Micky Ward that branded him one of the most exciting fighters of his generation. He retired in 2007 with a career record of 40-9 and 31 knockouts.

Known for his straightforward punching and granitelike chin, Gatti captured the super featherweight title in 1995, when he defeated Tracy Harris Patterson in Atlantic City, N.J. He won the junior welterweight title in 2004.
Hawk

diggity
07-13-2009, 02:18 PM
I'm still in shock over this. To tell you the truth, I could never picture Gatti getting old for some reason.

Kyoodle
07-13-2009, 02:34 PM
I'm still in shock over this. To tell you the truth, I could never picture Gatti getting old for some reason.

Dig...

For those of us here in New Jersey, who knew Arturo and followed him from when he was a young afterthought to brother Joe's then-blossoming career, to his retirement announcement, this is just surreal.

Arturo had his share of scraps out of the ring, loved to party with ALL the wrong people, and made some bad decisions in his personal life, which is the understatement of the century considering how he died and who allegedly killed him. But you would be hard-pressed to find a more personable, decent guy who truly loved being around his fans. He was a fixture at the local cards here and could be found ringside in North Bergen, Union City, Secaucus and Jersey City, chatting with his adoring public and signing autographs and posing for pictures with grace, good humor and patience.

We talk about people who have the personality to "light up a room"; that was Gatti, who--for the 16 years he so honestly plied his fistic trade--was simply, brilliantly incandescent, both in and out of the ring.

Rest in peace.

Kyoodle

HE Grant
07-13-2009, 05:19 PM
It's terrible. Such a good, likable, charismatic guy ... lived fast and died too young ... to us he will forever be remembered as a warrior but some young kid likely lost both his parents ... tragic.

kikibalt
07-13-2009, 06:51 PM
Exclusive: The One That Got Away
By Edgar Gonzalez

Arturo Gatti’s ex speaks out to MyBoxingFans.com
With the shocking news of former boxing champion Arturo Gatti being killed in an apartment he rented with his 23-year-old Braziling wife Amanda Rodriguez in Porto de Galinhas, a seaside resort in northeastern Pernambuco state. I think it’s more shocking to know his wife strangled him with her purse strap while he drunkenly slept.

Personally, I’m a huge fan of the Italian Thunder and like many of you, I only know little about their personal life and though I never wish death upon anyone, we can’t point fingers and start choosing sides without knowing what forced Amanda to react with such violence.

MyBoxingFans spoke to Erika Rivera who was previously engaged to Arturo Gatti. Ms. Rivera is currently raising Gatti’s 3 year old daughter and working for the US Army as a Chemical Engineer.

MBF: what exactly do you do as a Chemical Engineer?

Erika: I work for the ARMY. I love my job. I make explosives for a living and witness a lot of the testing of munitions. It’s great. I could not have asked for a more exciting and challenging job.

MBF: you have a beautiful daughter Sofia with the former champion. What can you tell us about the relationship Sofia had with her father?

Erika: These are all of the pics from her first birthday. I don’t have the pictures from the hospital here at work. However, he is not involved in her life. He was upset Sofia was a girl. He was permitted to see his daughter whenever he wants. He had chosen not to. I took him to court after the baby was 6 months old when he refused to help me out. He was not seeing her nor paying child support. He threatened to take her to Canada and that I would never see her again. I took him to court and he was forced to pay. Our engagement was broken off when our daughter was a couple of weeks old.

It would be nice if I could say that he was a good father, but I can’t. A child needs more than just expensive clothes. Fortunately, his brother Joe and wife Vikki have been in Sofia’s life and my family is very supportive. They have two little girls so Sofia has her first cousins around for her that are close in age.

MBF: Your relationship with Gatti wasn’t perfect, but how shocking were you to hear about his death and how would this impact your life?

Erika: My daughter has not seen her father since his involvement with Amanda. Sofia made a card for her Papa for Father’s Day and I mailed it for her. She spoke to him on his birthday and on March 31 on her birthday he called her and said he was planning a trip to come visit his daughter. He always wanted a little boy. My daughter doesn’t have a father now. Nobody’s life should be taken from them. I will not tell my baby girl that her daddy was killed. I still have not told her he died. I am trying to explain to her that we become angels when something bad happens, or when we become old, or really sick to prepare for when I tell her that her Papa is in heaven with the angels.

Her Uncle Joe Gatti, wife Vikki and children Versace and Gianni, have been very supportive the last three years and have been filling the void for Sofia’s other side of the family. The girls play like sisters and Joe has been a positive influence for Sofia and will continue to be now that her daddy has passed away. He tells Sofia great stories about how great her daddy was as a child and a brother growing up.

MBF: Did you ever meet Amanda? If so what was your opinion of her? Also The New York Daily news recently released a statement from Carl Moretti, who promoted many of Gatti’s fights, where he states that he always worried about Gatti because he spent too much time in strip clubs picking up the wrong women. Was he ever like that when he was with you?

Erika: I went to dinner with her. She told me she never did drugs and didn’t drink alcohol. I proceeded to order a Margarita and she ordered the same. She told me she worked at a clothing store called Bebe in the mall and that Arturo took her virginity. He loved strip clubs and gogo bars, but most men do. He liked women. He was a very paranoid, jealous person, but she seemed to be the same way. You just have to walk away from a situation like that. He had a heart. It wouldn’t have mattered to me what her job was. It only mattered to me whether or not she was a good person to be responsible to take care of Sofia when in her father’s care. I heard from his friends that she seemed to make sure that he did not see his daughter if he wanted to be with his son.

MBF: why did you guys break up?

Erika: I left because he was too paranoid and was always falsely accusing me of infidelity. He was punchy from being hit in the head and we all felt bad for him because he was depressed and confused all the time. He did not deserve to be killed. I left because we couldn’t get along. It’s hard to come to agreement with someone who can’t agree with himself.

MBF: How would you remember Arturo Gatti?

Erika: I will remember Arturo as being funny and cracking jokes all the time calling Sofia his “little stinky butt” and “his little monkey.” I will remember him loving to dance and dancing with me asking me to teach him salsa and he’d flip me over his head and we’d fall on the floor laughing. I will remember him wanting to be a father more than anything in the world because he lost his father when he was young. I will remember the good times.

MBF: Erika Thank you so much for your time.

diggity
07-13-2009, 09:07 PM
Dig...

For those of us here in New Jersey, who knew Arturo and followed him from when he was a young afterthought to brother Joe's then-blossoming career, to his retirement announcement, this is just surreal.

Arturo had his share of scraps out of the ring, loved to party with ALL the wrong people, and made some bad decisions in his personal life, which is the understatement of the century considering how he died and who allegedly killed him. But you would be hard-pressed to find a more personable, decent guy who truly loved being around his fans. He was a fixture at the local cards here and could be found ringside in North Bergen, Union City, Secaucus and Jersey City, chatting with his adoring public and signing autographs and posing for pictures with grace, good humor and patience.

We talk about people who have the personality to "light up a room"; that was Gatti, who--for the 16 years he so honestly plied his fistic trade--was simply, brilliantly incandescent, both in and out of the ring.

Rest in peace.

Kyoodle

I've heard nothing but the same from people who knew him & even people who just ran into him. Such a shame a guy who gave it all for his fans came to an end like that at the hands of some psycho bitch.

hhascup
07-14-2009, 09:55 PM
Arturo Gatti’s family is heading to Brazil to claim his body for a funeral in Montreal.

I was told that because he was a Canadian citizen, he has to be flown in directly to Canada. He would be taken to Maurice Poirier in North Montreal, Canada.


Thanks, Henry

Juan C Ayllon
07-14-2009, 10:32 PM
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/arturogattimikemichael-550x492.jpg

I just posted up this excellent exclusive piece for the CBZ on Arturo Gatti by Tom Donelson. Check it out:

Link to Tom Donelson's Piece on Arturo Gatti (http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/blog/?p=1873)

May Gatti rest in peace,


-- Juan

Chris Nagel
07-15-2009, 04:00 PM
I was thinking to myself before, what a lucky guy. Beautiful wife, millions in the bank, a title and loved by everyone. It's just a terrible tragedy that something like that had to happen to Gatti.

jim glen
07-15-2009, 06:41 PM
http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/story.html?id=1794295

What is going to come out in this case, it worries me what we might find out!

hhascup
07-15-2009, 10:55 PM
Here's poster of when Gatti was honored by C.O.M.B.A.T.T., along with Don King, Buddy McGirt and myself.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9900/combattboxingpostercopy.jpg


Arturo Gatti's funeral and memorial arrangements:

Joe Gatti, Arturo's brother, who still lives in northern New Jersey, said the family is struggling to come to terms with his death and to handle the funeral and memorial arrangements. Gatti's body is scheduled to be released Tuesday in Brazil.

The family had hoped to hold a service in New Jersey, but Gatti never obtained his U.S. citizenship, so they're leaning toward an event in Montreal this weekend.

GorDoom
07-16-2009, 11:22 AM
He Lived And Died On The Edge
By Ron Borges from Sweet Science

Arturo Gatti lived the way he fought – on the edge. It is a dangerous locale for fighting or for living.

Boxing fans loved him for it because he was someone who boxed with a reckless passion. He was never out of a fight but always in one, even on the nights when he could have taken an easier path. He seemed fundamentally unable to pass up a brawl for a boxing match, in part because he had a canny businessman’s understanding that blood sells, even if it’s your own.

Although a more skilled defensive fighter than he often showed, Gatti could be easily sidetracked by a slap in the face. Hit him and he would hit you back…twice if possible. Knock him down and he would get up and walk through fire to return the favor. Bloody his face and the night had just begun.

He was far from the best fighter of his generation but he was one of the most popular fighters of all time, a guy who made 21 appearances on HBO because most of them turned into the kind of back-and-forth peaks and valleys that reminded you what being a fighter was really all about.

When the end came it was violent, both when it came in boxing and in life. The former occurred on July 14, 2007, when Gatti was busted up and beaten down one last time by a kid named Alfonso Gomez. Gomez was a nice kid just doing his job but there is no way he would have ever done a job like that on the real Arturo Gatti.

The problem that night was that all the fight had been beaten out of Gatti, who engaged in more wars than the German army. He was 35 and had gotten off the deck to beat Wilson Rodriguez with one eye closed more than a decade earlier.

He’d gotten off his stool when all was surely lost and knocked Gabe Ruelas out cold in what RING magazine later called the fight of the year. He’d fought two wars with Ivan Robinson before anyone had ever heard of Gomez, two fights so breath-taking they were both fights of the year as well.

He’d been beaten up by a much bigger Oscar De La Hoya on a night he just fought for money because there was no real chance of winning yet came back to fight a trilogy of fights with Micky Ward so brilliant they will be re-run this weekend by HBO as a tribute to what Gatti was.

Of course, warriors all end up badly hurt. Gladiators end up bloodied and defeated. It’s part of the job and so it was for Gatti, who spent more time in emergency wards than a hyperactive toddler. He accepted that end of his cruel business as part of the price he paid for glory.

Of all his defeats in a career with many highlights, the worse was near the end, as they always are, when he was forced to the floor a beaten man by Floyd Mayweather, Jr., who really was the best fighter of his generation. That fight was the one that spoke to him, it seemed later. What it said was that the man who always found a way to get up no longer could.

Maybe that made it easier in some ways to give in to Gomez, who had youth and belief on his side. Gatti’s old friend Ward had trained him for that fight and believed he had enough left to win and so was stunned to see the one-sided beating Gatti (40-9, 31 KO) he took before the fight was stopped mercifully by then New Jersey Athletic Commission executive director Larry Hazzard, who leapt into the ring to do what referee Randy Neumann apparently could not – say “Enough.’’

“I couldn't stop that fight, simply because he was Arturo Gatti," Neumann later explained. “It was much more dignified to go out that way. He had to be counted out. When he fought, you never knew if he could come back. He looked beaten and still came back."

Not that time, which came as a shock to Ward, who had become Gatti’s blood brother after 30 rounds spent abusing each other in an 18-month period. After they were over only two things could happen. They could hate each other or love each other. They chose the latter, which said much about both of them.

“I wasn’t sure he had enough to compete for a world championship any more but I thought he had enough left to beat Gomez,’’ Ward said this week. “If I’d seen anything different in training I could have told him but I didn’t. Even in the dressing room his punches were sharp. But he lost something on the walk to the ring. By the time he got in there all the fight was gone.

“Same thing happened to me in our third fight. I knocked him down and the next round I had nothing left. I didn’t belong in there any more. It was like all the fight just left me. Same thing happened to Arturo.’’

Last week something worse happened to him. He lost his last fight, this time to his young wife Amanda Rodrigues, in violent fashion. Allegedly the two got drunk at a vacation resort in Brazil, quarreled as they apparently often did and police claim she choked him to death with the strap of her expensive purse while he lay in a drunken stupor.

She denies it but Brazilian authorities say there are no other suspects and no evidence anyone else entered or left their room. All they found there was a dead fighter with a stab wound, a knife under his body and a bloody purse strap. There were about 10 unaccounted hours from the estimated time of death and when she called the police. They say her story doesn’t fit. Gatti’s friends say privately that it was fitting that the former stripper at Scores, a Manhattan “gentlemen’s club’’ where men don’t always act like gentlemen and the women expect it, killed him with her purse. You didn’t need a lot of details to understand what they were saying.

Whatever the truth of Arturo Gatti’s final hours, the fact is he died at 37 in the same way he lived. He died living on the edge. He died after a violent confrontation.

He died the way you feared someone so brave and proud and fierce might. He died too young.

hhascup
07-16-2009, 01:42 PM
Funeral for slain boxer Arturo Gatti to be held Monday in Montreal

MONTREAL — A funeral service will be held Monday morning in Montreal for former boxing champion Arturo Gatti..

Gatti’s mother told The Canadian Press that his body is expected to be returned from Brazil on Friday and the service will take place in a church in the city’s Little Italy district.

Meanwhile, a lawyer representing Gatti’s wife has asked that she be released from jail.

Amanda Rodrigues is being held on accusations that she strangled the former boxing champ with her purse strap as he drunkenly slept.

Rodrigues has told investigators she awoke Saturday about 6 a.m. local time to find her husband’s body in the apartment they rented in Porto de Galinhas, a seaside resort in Pernambuco state.

Police say she was the only suspect and they are certain she killed Gatti in their apartment where they and their 10-month-old son arrived for a second honeymoon last week. The boy was unhurt and was in the care of Rodrigues’ family.

Ron Lipton
07-16-2009, 10:12 PM
Her claim of being too slender to "Subdue" a former boxing champion who weighed in between 140-160 plus pounds and walked around over 170 on the street doesn't float.

Today on the news it showed a kitchen knife used to slam him in back of the head, imagine taking a shot like that while you are helpless, drunk and sleeping.

I personally believe whatever rowe they had over flirting, whoring, profiling, wearing thongs, short skirts, accepting male advances WHATEVER, escalated into a vicious fight with him calling her every name in the book. When he crashed she went to work on him.

I wouldn't care if a woman had pipe cleaner arms, if she was enraged and jammed him with a blade then strangled him with a purse strap, he could be as strong as Kimbo Slice and still be put under with a blade rammed into his sleeping head and then the carotid arteries being shut off with a stangle hold with a garrot type attack. 3-4 seconds of that on a sleeping stabbed man, and the show is OVER.

With a magnetic hotel-door card as the only way to open the door and get in, no one but Claude Rains the Invisible Man got in there.

What will actually happen in court who knows. I know this though from what I have seen from years and years as a bouncer. I have seen slightly built people go absolutely beserk and kick the living dog shit out of big muscular people, any cop will tell you that.

A woman can kill you deader than Julius Ceaser.

Just a terrible tragic thing for this brave warrior and his child.
To say it could not have been her is a fairy tale that her lawyer will try to go with. What else can she do?

hhascup
07-18-2009, 07:31 PM
Gatti death may be murder or suicide, says autopsy

Updated Sat. Jul. 18 2009 5:28 PM ET

The Associated Press

SAO PAULO -- An autopsy indicates former boxing champion Arturo Gatti of Montreal could have committed suicide, been accidentally killed or murdered, according to Jornal do Comercio newspaper Saturday.

Jornal do Comercio said it obtained a copy of the coroner's initial findings.

Police have said from the beginning they are certain Gatti's 23-year-old wife strangled the boxer with her purse strap as he drunkenly slept July 11, but the autopsy report raises some doubts.

Gatti was found dead a week ago in the apartment he was renting with wife Amanda Rodrigues in the Brazilian seaside resort of Porto de Galinhas in the northeastern state of Pernambuco.

A visitation for Gatti will be held Sunday in Montreal, with the funeral service scheduled for Monday morning at Notre Dame De La Defense.

In the state capital of Recife, Jornal do Comercio reported the autopsy findings said Gatti's body was "suspended and hanged, indicating he may have committed suicide."

The newspaper said the autopsy report also stated that "murder or accidental death" could not be ruled out. There was no explanation for "accidental death."

Paula Cysneiros, the spokeswoman for the medical examiners office that performed the autopsy, would not confirm the newspaper's report.

Police arrested Rodrigues on suspicion of murdering the former two-division champion. She maintains her innocence and is being held in a prison in Recife. She has not been charged -- according to Brazilian law, police have until this Wednesday to hand over their findings to prosecutors, who will decide if charges are to be filed.

Rodrigues told investigators she awoke and found her husband's body about 9 a.m. on July 11. She then called police.

Investigators said she was the only suspect and they are certain she killed Gatti in the apartment where they and their 10-month-old son arrived for a second honeymoon. The boy was unhurt and was in the care of Rodrigues' family.

Investigators said there was no sign of forced entry and the electronic locks on the apartment indicated only Gatti and his wife had entered.

Police said Gatti had marks on his throat, indicating he was strangled.

Rodrigues' sister, Flavia, told the newspaper Folha de S. Paulo this week that there was "no way she could have strangled a man of that size."

Rodrigues' lawyer, Celio Avelino, told The Associated Press he agreed with Flavia's conclusion.

"She is fragile, young and skinny -- how could she kill a boxing champion?" Avelino said. "When she awoke, she presumed he had committed suicide.

"But she had nothing to do with it."

Police also said there was a knife wound in the back of Gatti's head and displayed a small steak knife along with the bloodied, white purse strap -- both found near his body.

Citing the results of the autopsy, the newspaper said the wound "may have occurred when the body fell to the floor."

Police have also said they think the crime scene had been altered before they arrived -- indicating Rodrigues could have tried to make it appear as if Gatti had committed suicide, police spokeswoman Milena Saraiva told the AP this week.

Saraiva said the death may have even been pre-meditated and Rodrigues may have encouraged Gatti to drink excessively so she would be able to overpower him later.

"He was very drunk and that made it easier for her," Saraiva theorized. "He was sleeping when she did this.

"She waited for the moment when he was drunk enough for her to do it."

Avelino has insisted his client is not guilty and has said he is certain the autopsy report would indicate Gatti's death was a suicide.

Rodrigues herself, in a handwritten letter she gave to the AP on Wednesday, said she didn't commit the crime.

"I'm innocent and I know that this will be proven in a few days," she wrote in the letter.

She ended the note by addressing the couple's infant son, writing: "Junior -- soon mama will be at home!"


Thanks, Henry

hhascup
07-18-2009, 07:33 PM
There will be a Memorial service for Arturo Gatti on Saturday, July 25th at St. Nick’s Church located at 122 Ferry St., right off Central Ave., near Pershing Field in Jersey City starting at 11:30 AM.


Thanks, Henry

kikibalt
07-19-2009, 08:25 AM
Special From Jon Bardelli


Life is not as it always seems and rarely is it rewarding. As Ye Sow, So Shall Ye Reap.

Stated another way, the transforming laws of physics, as described by Newton, apply to the unfolding of human drama be it good, bad, or indifferent, in the same manner that those laws govern all motion in the Universe.

In the same respect that the immutable laws of physics apply across the board, equally, in non-discriminatory fashion, within and upon the life of every man, woman and child, those same laws of physics play themselves out in a morality play converting Newtonian laws of motion into human masks of sorrow, jealously, self pity, regret, guilt, remorse, as life weaves itself day in, day out, into a coat of varying colors and shades of meaning.

If one drinks to excess, the intangible messing with the human physiology, eventually takes its tolls in ways not known but in a predictable and steady fashion, as an ocean tide.

If one is unfaithful in a relationship, a ticking time bomb will explode…it’s only a matter of time.

If one is abusive of a loved one and oblivious to the needs of a family… the human emotion of guilt will raise its head and provide a response that the vast majority will never see evolving for they do not want to be exposed to an unfolding of the future of their own destiny. It is easier to enable and to put one’s head in the sand.

Add to the equation, the physiological damage to one’s brain from having entered that squared circle, where only Angels should dare to tread, and combine that act with the inevitable sheering of neurons taking place, therein, coupled with the sucking up of the compelling adulation, the bravado, and the cheering of the mob… all the while the forces of self-denial setting in which thereby induce the recipient to erroneously conclude that those punches are incapable of taking their toll---denial to the point of no return… and you have on your hands the making of a Shakespearean tragedy engulfing and consuming all who come within the circle of enabling denial.

History provides its answers in a manner we don’t like to reflect upon and, indeed, shun in examining in detail the closing chapters which are there for examination and reading. It is so transparent--- and so readily available for all to witness were we to look at only a few of the once glimmering and now imploded stars of the Universe:

Grim, Nelson, McCoy, Papke, Fontaine, LaMotta, Arguello, Robinson, Charles, Louis, Pep, Machen, Foley, Turpin, Mills, Chacon, Lopez, Quarry, Norton, Ali, thousands more and, … dare we say, … Gatti.

Ah Gatti… one can only wonder what demons grabbed you in your moment of extreme remorse--- a remorse for conduct transformed into guilt and shame… and a crying out for help… setting into motion conditions which took you down the road to an oblivion… where it was not bad enough to have not only assaulted the one you professed an undying love for on the night that you were about to forsake the world--- much in the same fashion Judas did when the enormity of his own transgressions sunk in and transformed Iscariot, a disciple no less, over the enormity of his own guilt and lead him to his own self inflicted strangulation,… but, indeed a state of mind which would allow you to engage in a contemptible act without foresight that your own death, taken by your own hand, would bring even more contempt and ridicule upon the same Amanda Rodrigues you professed to love and, thereafter, forever render her an obstacle of scorn and hatred by those whose lives mimic your own---wasting their allotted hours in debauchery until their souls can take no more, rendering as yourself, a plaintiff cry---”Enough” And the die is cast---the end is here-- and oh, what a tangled web we weave.

hhascup
07-19-2009, 10:43 PM
Arturo Gatti's Wake Flooded With Fans, Fighters, Family
Posted by: Mark Vester on 07-19-2009.

By Mark Vester
There were hundreds of mourners who crowded a Montreal funeral home to say goodbye to former two division champion Arturo Gatti. On the morning of July 11, Gatti was found dead in his hotel room at the Porto de Galinhas resort in Brazil. Police believe his wife Amanda Rodrigues strangled him and caused an injury to the back of his head with a table knife. The couple had a very hostile relationship. Several witnesses saw the couple exchanging some very heated words on the night of July 10.

Gatti, 37, was born in Italy. He grew up in Montreal but made his name in the sport when he moved to New Jersey in the United States. He moved back to Montreal not long after retiring from the sport in 2007.

Many boxers came to service, including Jean Pascal, Joachim Alcine and Howard and Otis Grant. Gatti's coffin rested with one of his championship belts, a pair of white boxing gloves and a wreath spelling out his nickname pro boxing nickname - ‘Thunder’—in red flowers.

"He gave me hope," Alcine said to The National Post. "He gave me strength . . . I'm just remembering his smile. He was a very happy man."

"Arturo was the prime example of perseverance," Pascal said. "He wasn't a superstar in amateur boxing but he became a megastar in professional boxing, especially with his personality and charm."

Henry

Kyoodle
07-20-2009, 12:35 AM
Thanks for posting that, Henry. Sounds like The Champ had a decent send-off from his contemporaries.

But one thing I don't get, from the post previous to Henry's is this listing of "imploded stars", from the article by Jon Bardelli:

"Grim, Nelson, McCoy, Papke, Fontaine, LaMotta, Arguello, Robinson, Charles, Louis, Pep, Machen, Foley, Turpin, Mills, Chacon, Lopez, Quarry, Norton, Ali, thousands more and, … dare we say, … Gatti."

Oooo-kay....I understand McCoy (murderer, later committed suicide), Papke (ditto), Arguello, Machen (died tragically), Folley (ditto), Turpin (held young daughter hostage, then shot her before killing himself), Mills (suicide). But the others? I'm not understanding; someone please help ;->

jim glen
07-20-2009, 09:09 AM
It simply means they lived selfish lives, abusing and negleting others, as well themselves and had to pay the price!

God has mercy, EVERYONE!

jim glen
07-20-2009, 06:03 PM
video of Gatti funeral - http://fr.video.canoe.tv/video/sports/boxe/2045309001/le-dernier-repos-darturo-gatti/30070496001

mostly Quebec French with some English, I trust there will be other video reports, I hope...

Rest in peace Arturo.

hawk5ins
07-21-2009, 02:40 PM
Gatti's wife remains in jail, police backtracking
By BRADLEY BROOKS (AP) – 20 hours ago

RIO DE JANEIRO — Arturo Gatti's wife will remain in jail pending a judicial decision despite the release of an autopsy report casting doubt on whether the former champion boxer was killed.

Police, meanwhile, are backing off strong statements that Gatti's wife was unquestionably responsible for his death. Earlier they said she undoubtedly strangled him with her purse strap as he drunkenly slept.

The lawyer for Amanda Rodrigues — whom police have said is the only suspect in the fighter's July 11 death — petitioned for her release through two legal channels.

Pernambuco state judge Fausto Campos on Monday denied the request that she be released because she was cooperating with police. He ruled, though, that her writ of habeas corpus must be examined by a three-judge panel, leaving open the possibility she will be freed. The panel meets each Tuesday, but the court did not say when Rodrigues' request would be heard.

The judge's decision came on the same day about 1,000 people turned out for Gatti's funeral in his adopted hometown of Montreal.

Gatti was found dead in the apartment he was renting with Rodrigues in the seaside resort of Porto de Galinhas in Brazil's northeast. The pair, who had a tumultuous marriage, had arrived there a few days before Gatti's death for a second honeymoon. The couple brought their 10-month-old son, who was unhurt and is in the care of Rodrigues' family in Brazil.

On Saturday, authorities released an initial autopsy report that said Gatti could have died in an unexplained accident, been murdered, or committed suicide. The report indicated Gatti died of asphyxiation after his body was "suspended and hanged."

Police said from the beginning they think Rodrigues strangled Gatti as he slept — and they have said they think the crime scene was altered before Rodrigues reported Gatti's death. Her attorney, however, said the fact Gatti's body was found suspended proved his client's innocence.

"The report was telling the truth," Rodrigues' attorney, Celio Avelino, told The Associated Press. "The report said he was hanged. She could never suspend and hang a man that size."

But a Gatti family friend rejected out of hand the chance the fighter committed suicide.

"Nobody believes whatsoever that there's even a one percent chance of a suicide. He lived life to the fullest," said Ivano Scarpa, a close family friend who spoke during the funeral service in Canada.

Rodrigues, in a handwritten note given to the AP last week, proclaimed her innocence and said it would be proved within days.

Police inspector Paulo Alberes said he could no longer comment on the case until the investigation was complete — an abrupt reversal from many detailed statements investigators have given about Gatti's death.

"I cannot confirm that she is a suspect," Alberes said. "I can tell you that she is still imprisoned as of right now. That is it."

The investigator said police hope to have their final report prepared by next week. The initial investigation report was legally required to be handed over to prosecutors by Wednesday, but police received an extension on that deadline.

Associated Press Writer Tales Azzoni in Sao Paulo contributed to this report.

I took a break from this cause I knew is was going to get crazy, but man, the Police didn't do themselves any favors making that initial accusation and conclusion public.

Maaaaan....

Hawk

hhascup
07-22-2009, 09:16 AM
Here's another Memorial Service for Arturo Gatti

To all the Boxing Community;

A Memorial Service will be held for Arturo Gatti on Thursday, July 30th at St. John's The Baptist Church at 7pm. The church is located at 3026 Kennedy Blvd in Jersey City. Arturo Gatti's only manager, Pat Lynch, Main Events his only promoter, HBO Sports who televised Arturo's greatest fights and Arturo's entire extended family wish to honor his memory with family, friends and fans.


The Main Events and Pound for Pound family have no affiliation with any other memorial service.

Yours in boxing,

Sal Alessi and The Pound for Pound Family

Henry

diggity
07-22-2009, 12:51 PM
Can you believe this shit?

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4342253

I could never see Gatti as the suicide type ever. Corrupt shit going on. Someone staged this horriffic scenario, I'm sure of it. Wasn't a stab wound found on his head? Hopefully more details are released soon & that bitch stays in jail.

jim glen
07-22-2009, 05:42 PM
I posted this as to my thoughts and fears at the beginning... and YES Dig, "what about the 'Blow to the back of the head, then it was a Stab wound(?) and if he was hanging from somewhere - suicide would be the First thought and NOT suspicion that his wife did it!

My initial thought on this sad news was a 'robber' gone wrong, an inside job even, with Hotel staff letting some seedy friends in to do the business. I then read Gatti was due to testify this week in NY and thought, "Oh no, not a hit from Boxing's underworld!

But to here of a death at the hands of his young bride, obviously a volitile relationship they must have had. I don't know her background but 'if' it was a modest one growing up 'rough & ready' then that kind of behaviour can be commonplace...

was ANY of her family with them, sisters, brothers,? there could be more in this.

as I said before, It worries me what we might find out in all of this???

hhascup
07-29-2009, 11:26 AM
Arturo Gatti Memorial Mass Tomorrow, Thursday, July 30th

By

Main Events


Friends and fans of Arturo “Thunder” Gatti are invited to attend a memorial Mass that will be held in his honor on Thursday evening, July 30th at 7 p.m. St. John the Baptist Roman Catholic in Jersey City.

“Since it was not possible for so many of Arturo’s friends and fans in the US to attend his funeral this past weekend in Montreal, we think that it is only right to give them the opportunity to celebrate Arturo’s life and pay their respects next Thursday at St. John’s,” said Gatti’s boxing manager and mentor, Pat Lynch.

“Arturo was much more to me than a business associate or even a friend,” said Lynch, who handled Gatti throughout his 17-year professional boxing career. “I am humbled and honored by the fact that he considered me to be his second father. I don’t know if I will ever get over losing him.”

“Arturo Gatti was a living legend whose passion in the ring was exceeded only by his great loyalty to the people he truly loved and cared for,” Kathy Duva of Gatti’s longtime promoter, Main Events, said. “Words are inadequate to describe the unspeakable sadness of losing him this way. On July 30th his friends and fans from the area will have the chance to come together to grieve and remember Arturo not only as a boxing icon, but as a great friend.”

Nicknamed, “The Human Highlight Film,” Gatti thrilled fans throughout his storied boxing career with his heart-stopping all-action style. A two-time world champion in two weight divisions, the Jersey City resident was beloved by his vocal legion of fans. Gatti set attendance records at Atlantic City’s Convention Hall during a run of nine straight sell-outs between 2002 and 2007. Four of his bouts were chosen to be honored as “Fight of the Year” by the Boxing Writers Association of America.

Gatti fought 20 times on HBO, including a legendary trilogy of fights with Mickey Ward, which was voted the second greatest boxing trilogy of all time (behind Ali-Frasier) by fans in an ESPN sports poll. Even though no title was at stake in any of the three, ten-round bouts, HBO color analyst and Hall of Fame trainer Emmanuel Steward described round-nine of Gatti’s first encounter with Ward as “the round of the century.” Joined together for eternity by virtue of their thrilling 30 rounds in the ring, Gatti and Ward later became the best of friends, culminating in Ward’s appearance as Gatti’s trainer for his last professional bout in 2007.

Gatti, 37, was found dead in a vacation villa in Brazil on Saturday, July 11th. Brazilian authorities have charged his wife, Amanda, with his murder.

St. John the Baptist R.C. Church is located at 3026 Kennedy Blvd., a short walk up Kennedy Blvd. from the Path Station in Journal Square.

For more information contact:

Ellen Haley, Main Events, ehaley@mainevents.com


Thanks, Henry Hascup

JLP 6
07-29-2009, 12:29 PM
Dude, I just really realized that Gatti is not here anymore. You know, it just really hit me for real.

Why in the world is Gatti dead at what 36?

Auturo Gatti.

Punchdrunk
07-30-2009, 02:12 PM
What Bullshit!

Police: Gatti's death a suicide, must release wifeAssociated Press
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RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) - A Brazilian police investigation has determined that the death of boxer Arturo Gatti was a suicide and a court has ordered the release of his wife, who was once suspected of killing him.

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Lead investigator Paulo Alberes told The Associated Press on Thursday their investigation concluded that Gatti killed himself on July 11 in a seaside resort in northeastern Brazil. He offered no other details, but said he would hold a press conference later in the day.

Just one day after Gatti was found dead, police said they thought his Brazilian wife, Amanda Rodrigues, 23, had strangled him with her purse strap while he slept.

But police began to back off after a coroner's report said that Gatti may have killed himself.

State court judge Ildete Verissimo de Lima in the city of Recife ordered that Rodrigues be immediately released.

The judge wrote in the ruling that police informed the court that "the detention of the suspect was no longer needed" as the investigation "excludes the possibility of murder."

"The victim ... committed suicide by hanging," Lima's ruling read, referring to the police investigation findings.


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Top stories | Rumors | Video | Photos Rodrigues lawyer, Celio Avelino, said she would walk out of jail Thursday afternoon.

Gatti was found dead in the apartment he was renting with Rodrigues in the seaside resort of Porto de Galinhas in Brazil's northeast.

The pair, who had a tumultuous marriage, had arrived there a few days before Gatti's death for a second honeymoon. The couple brought their 10-month-old son, who was unhurt and is in the care of Rodrigues' family in Brazil.

Gatti's family and friends in his adopted hometown of Montreal have been adamant that the boxer would not have killed himself.

"Nobody believes whatsoever that there's even a 1-percent chance of a suicide. He lived life to the fullest," Ivano Scarpa, a close Gatti family friend, said at the boxer's July 20 funeral service in Canada.

But Rodrigues, in a July 15 letter that she handed over to the AP from prison, said: "I'm innocent and I know that this will be proven in a few days."

TKO11
07-30-2009, 02:55 PM
Now they're saying he was found hanged, still suspended. I hadn't heard that before - if he was found that way, her argument holds some water - that she could never have lifted the guy (115lb women aren't known for being able to handle 180lb dead weight....). Sounds to me like we all may have judged too soon.

walshb
07-30-2009, 03:04 PM
None here know exactly what the crime scene was like, so maybe there is a very good reason.

I just hope a thorough investigation was carried out to ensure that it was indeed
suicide. It can't be that hard to prove.

She surely would have needed an accomplice to stage a hanging.

Mexal
07-30-2009, 04:08 PM
I don't believe Gatti committed suicide. Hanging with a purse strap that was bloodied? Because it was a purse that they mentioned, wasn't it? What about the blood stains on the floor? What about the wounds to his upper body/ head? There was mention of all this, right? How, then, was this a suicide?

jim glen
07-30-2009, 06:11 PM
I don't know about this lads, maybe Mike Delisa would be able to shed some light on "Policing & Law" in that part of the world(?).

OK!

1st. he was found with a BLOW to the back of the head, and was seemingly "strangled" with the purse strap.

(could be wrong about this), did they not say in the early reports to, that he was found lying on a couch and/or floor (???).

2cnd. - "his wife is held under suspicion of MURDER..." well IF he was found Hanging from somewhere, murder wouldn't be your first line of investigation, would it?

3rd. - the BLOW is suddenly not mentioned anymore and it becomes a "stab wound" to the back of the head, where's the Blow, are they one and the same, or is the stab in addition to the blow?

did she cut him down, allowing for them to suspect murder but it further investigation discovers "where and how" he was hanging finally clearing her???

and what about this not noticing him dead though being in the flat for 10 HOURS - they said she reported him dead round about 6am, so they must have ended their evening round about 6pm, Gatti had already drank lots and they were seen fighting on the street, "what time? Did she storm off and come home by 8pm - to account for the 10 hours in the flat???

I would think electronic door card use and Hotel cameras would accont for the 10 hours. Was this the first day they arrived, was it all on the Friday, that first day there?

I mean suicide would have been a fairly easy observation initially, No,

yet they thought murder...

I don't believe it, and I am suspect and at this early stage don't know what possibility to think of, but suicide I can't accept.

diggity
07-30-2009, 06:28 PM
this is such utter bullshit.
so first he was soooo drunk that his little wife choked his warrior of a man with a purse strap & now he was "with it" enough in this same supposed drunken stupor to coordinate hanging himself? Its insulting that Brazil expects anyone to buy this shit. I don't have to know Gatti personally to know that's not the type of guy he was. What a fuckin joke. What about all the unexplained time that she spent in the apartment with his cold dead corpse before calling the cops? What about the blood & the head trauma?? So he hung himself while beating himself to death while he was sloshed drunk too????
Holy shit i can have a heart attack with how nuts this is making me!
I hope a fuckin boulder falls on this bitch. If he was hanging, the shit was staged by her family or friends. End of story. Thats her home country for christs sake!
My god what a fuckin disgrace. This is 3rd world justice.
I am sick to my stomach.

TKO11
07-30-2009, 09:14 PM
Dig, don't you think it's at least possible that all of that stuff was unofficial? First it was a stab, then it was a strangle, then there was head tramuu and blood, first a small amount, then there was blood everywhere, then he smacked her around a little at the bar, then he was falling down drunk at the bar.... I think it's far more likely the more suspicious aspects of THOSE things are fabrications than the idea of this being "3rd world justice".

I think when this all comes down with official reports, he will have been neither stabbed or beaten - that he was drunk and in an unthinking fit of passion or regret for the failed (or failing) relationship he did something very crazy and regretful. I honestly think that is far, far more likely than he was Phil Hartman-ed with the bare hands of a petite 23-year old.

hhascup
07-30-2009, 09:26 PM
Brazil police rule Gatti’s death suicide

By BRADLEY BROOKS, Associated Press Writer

A Brazilian police investigation has determined that the death of boxer Arturo Gatti was a suicide and a court has ordered the release of his wife, once suspected of killing him, officials said Thursday, July 30, 2009.


RIO DE JANEIRO (AP)—A Brazilian police investigation has determined that the death of boxer Arturo Gatti was a suicide and a court has ordered the release of his wife, once suspected of killing him, officials said Thursday.

Lead investigator Paulo Alberes told The Associated Press authorities found that Gatti killed himself on July 11 in a seaside resort in northeastern Brazil.

When asked if police had determined the case was a suicide, Alberes said “yes.” He offered no other details, but said he would hold a news conference later in the day.

A day after Gatti was found dead, police said that his 23-year-old Brazilian wife, Amanda Rodrigues, had strangled him with her purse strap as he drunkenly slept.

But police began to back off the accusation about a week later after a coroner’s report said that Gatti may have killed himself as he was found hanged and suspended. Rodrigues’ lawyer said at the time that proved his client’s innocence because she could not have physically lifted Gatti.

A spokeswoman for the Pernambuco state court in the city of Recife confirmed that judge Ildete Verissimo de Lima ordered the release of Rodrigues.

The judge wrote in the ruling that police informed the court that “the detention of the suspect was no longer needed” as the investigation “excludes the possibility of murder.”

But police began to back off the accusation about a week later after a coroner’s report said that Gatti may have killed himself as he was found hanged and suspended. Rodrigues’ lawyer said at the time that proved his client’s innocence because she could not have physically lifted Gatti.

A spokeswoman for the Pernambuco state court in the city of Recife confirmed that judge Ildete Verissimo de Lima ordered the release of Rodrigues.

The judge wrote in the ruling that police informed the court that “the detention of the suspect was no longer needed” as the investigation “excludes the possibility of murder.”

“The victim … committed suicide by hanging,” Lima’s ruling read, referring to the police investigation findings.

Rodrigues will walk out of jail Thursday afternoon, said her lawyer, Celio Avelino.

Gatti was found dead in the apartment he was renting with Rodrigues in the resort town of Porto de Galinhas.

The pair, who had a tumultuous marriage, had arrived there a few days before Gatti’s death for a second honeymoon. The couple brought their 10-month-old son, who was unhurt and is in the care of Rodrigues’ family in Brazil.

The 37-year-old Gatti, who captured two world titles in his 16-year pro career, retired in 2007 with a record of 40-9.

Gatti’s family and friends in his adopted hometown of Montreal have denied the accusation the boxer could have killed himself.

“Nobody believes whatsoever that there’s even a 1 percent chance of a suicide. He lived life to the fullest,” Ivano Scarpa, a close Gatti family friend, said at the boxer’s July 20 funeral service in Canada.

But Rodrigues, in a July 15 letter that she handed over to the AP from prison, said: “I’m innocent and I know that this will be proven in a few days.”

Associated Press Writer Tales Azzoni in Sao Paulo contributed to this report.


Thanks, Henry

hhascup
07-30-2009, 09:27 PM
JERSEY CITY, N.J.(AP)—The brother of boxer Arturo Gatti says the family may seek to exhume his body and have an autopsy conducted in Canada.

Joseph Gatti of Wyckoff, N.J. said Thursday that no one in the family believes the 37-year-old fighter committed suicide. They still suspect he was strangled by his Brazilian wife, Amanda Rodrigues.

Brazilian police ruled the death a suicide Thursday and a judge ordered Rodrigues’ release from jail just hours before a memorial Mass for Gatti in northern New Jersey.

Joseph Gatti, a former boxing champion like his brother, says the family is very disappointed in the Brazilian law enforcement community.

The memorial Mass was be held at St. John the Baptist, a Roman Catholic Church in Jersey City, which I just came back from

Thanks, Henry

Ron Lipton
07-30-2009, 09:55 PM
I was a Criminal Investigator with the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office.

What is disturbing to me is that the initial reports kept mentioning a large kitchen knife and a bloody wound to the back of the sleeping champion's head.

What about that?

He hung himself with her purse straps and fell into a sleeping position in bed?
Am I missing something?

What the hell is going on here?

diggity
07-30-2009, 10:17 PM
It's all bullshit. I hope his brother exhumes his body & gets some finality in this circus.

hawk5ins
07-31-2009, 07:01 AM
THere is a lot of Bulshit going on about this.

The problem is, we don't what the bullshit is and what isn't.

NONE of us here no for sure whether or not the initial statements made by the police held any water or not.

The fact that the story has changed multiple times from there part adds to all of the confusion here.

We all lost a fighter who many of us became emotionally attached to.

But this all looked extremely sketchy from the beginning.

None of us know a valid accurate timeline and exactly what happpened. We have some irresponsible policeman speaking way out of turn and way too soon about what he "beleived" happened. His accusations and conclusions so soon after police were called to the scene, were utterly absurd and irresponsible.

Do I KNOW Gatti committed Suicide? I honestly have know Idea, if that is the case or if his wife killed him or if she had someone kill Gatti or someone assisted her in killing Gatti or if the bellboy killed Gatti.

NONE of us know. And becuase this was all so POORLY and amateurishly handled, I doubt any of us ever will.

Hawk

diggity
07-31-2009, 11:00 AM
Yup thats about the thick of it. Even if he truly did kill himself, this is 3rd world kind of bullshit. Handled completely barbarically.

Ron Lipton
07-31-2009, 12:37 PM
I would not want to travel anywhere outside the USA anymore, the way any kind of "Trouble" is handled is beyond belief, incompetence and administative lies with a policy which seemingly reflects that anything goes from A-Z.

The horror stories for tourists, Americans or otherwise in so many places fills the news all the time.

The blow to the back of his head piece of information existed from the beginning, did it not? Pictures of a bloody Kitchen knife, then the strangled by the purse straps.

He now supposedly HUNG HIMSELF, with purse straps that would take his full weight?

Between the death squads of the past, the attacks upon tourists on the beaches, the poverty, kidnappings of tourists for ransom including Mexico's drug gangs running amok, hotel room invasions for robbery and rape with obviously no real protection from any police.

Brazil is very beautiful but this investigation is as poorly handled as the opening of "In The Heat Of The Night," and its way past the time Gilespie begged Mr. Tibbs for some assistance.

Worse than Aruba if that is possible.

gregbeyer
07-31-2009, 04:40 PM
if there are some shenanagans going on with the brazilian investigation... knife, no knife, hanging, not hanging, head wounds or not why wasn't his body autopsied when he returned to canada ? surely some of these questions could be answered.

if the body hung for several hours that would be evident in the condition of blood build up in the legs and the severity of ligature marks on the neck and throat. if there were a stab wound to the back of the head, well..... i had an uncle that hung himself and he evidently forgot to stick a knife in his head before he dropped. sorry to sound morbid but this is all so fishy.

why the photos of a knife and a purse strap if it has been decided he hung himself. how the hell would a purse strap be long enough to hang with ? it would have to be long enough to loop around the neck while also providing the length to make a sturdy knot as well as being long enough to provide drop length. the strap i saw in the photo was not the minimum 5 feet it would take to do that. i calculated that by using a belt measured around my neck and then adding the length it would take to tie a tight knot and remember if arturo were falling down drunk a tight knot would be difficult to perform.

this looks like a set up. if at the very least the cops are not complicit in a cover up after their initial statements it sounds to me like she stabbed him, choked him and then fretted for several hours before calling for help to stage a suicide.

does that make any sense ???

greg

diggity
07-31-2009, 04:53 PM
here are a lot more details posted today on espn.com
wow
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4368620

hhascup
07-31-2009, 06:06 PM
Police: Gatti hung himself from stairs
Associated Press

RIO DE JANEIRO -- Arturo Gatti hanged himself with a handbag strap from a staircase column more than seven feet off the ground, Brazilian police said Friday as they released new details about the boxer's death.

Milena Saraiva, a police spokeswoman in the northeastern city of Recife, provided more information about Gatti's suicide a day after authorities reversed their stance on the case. Until Thursday, they insisted it was a homicide and the boxer's wife was tagged as the primary suspect.

"This case has been resolved. While the evidence at the scene first led us to think Gatti was murdered, the autopsy results and a detailed crime scene analysis simply pointed to a different outcome," Saraiva said.

On Thursday, a judge ordered the release of Gatti's wife, 23-year-old Amanda Rodrigues, who had been held since July 12 in Recife. She and Gatti arrived with their 10-month-old son a few days before in the resort town of Porto de Galinhas, where they rented a two-level apartment.

Police ultimately concluded that Gatti hanged himself in the apartment early on July 11 from a wooden staircase column that was 7.3 feet off the ground. He stood on a stool and kicked it out from underneath him, police said. The autopsy report said Gatti was suspended for about three hours before his body fell to the floor.

Rodrigues said she was sleeping with the pair's son in an upstairs bedroom. She told police she went downstairs about 6 a.m. to get milk for the boy and saw Gatti's body on the floor, but assumed he was drunkenly sleeping. It was not until she went back downstairs at 9 a.m. that she discovered Gatti was dead and called police. Saraiva said no suicide note was found.

"The first investigators to arrive at the scene only saw his body on the floor and the bloodied strap near his body," Saraiva said. "They assumed his wife strangled him."

Saraiva said 17 witnesses told police that the pair got into a loud fight on a street near the beach in Porto de Galinhas the night before Gatti died. Saraiva said Gatti had seven cans of beer, along with two bottles of wine, over the course of dinner and partying at a bar.

Witnesses told police Gatti at one point picked up Rodrigues, who weighs about 100 pounds, by her chin with his right hand and tossed her to the ground.

Saraiva said at that point a security guard for a local hotel intervened, only to be punched in the face by Gatti. A small crowd that had gathered around the scene grew angry, with some throwing stones and even a bicycle at the boxer, the police spokeswoman said.

One stone hit Gatti in the back of the head, causing a wound that police originally said was caused by a small steak knife that was found near his body -- and which police showed off to reporters the day after Gatti's death.

The fracas eventually broke up, and Gatti and Rodrigues returned to the apartment in separate taxis.

In an telephone interview with The Associated Press as she walked out of jail Thursday, Rodrigues said Gatti may have killed himself because he feared she would leave him after their fight, one of many during a rocky two-year marriage.

"I believe that when we got home and he saw that he hurt me, he thought I would leave him, that I would tell him to just let me go, that I would separate from him," she said. "He did that in a moment of weakness. He was drunk, maybe he didn't know what he was doing, maybe he thought I would leave him the next day."

According to records at the Court of Quebec's criminal and penal division, Gatti was charged on April 16 for violating a restraining order that had been filed against him. Records didn't indicate who filed the restraining order, but Gatti's mother, Ida, confirmed it was Rodrigues who had taken one out against him.

Gatti, a Canadian who captured two world titles in his 16-year pro career, retired in 2007 with a record of 40-9.

Many of his friends and family have expressed disbelief at the suicide ruling, and Canadian Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon said in a statement Friday that government officials will seek more information from Brazilian authorities on the Gatti investigation and its findings.

Thanks, Henry

kikibalt
07-31-2009, 06:39 PM
http://myboxingfans.com/2009/07/photos-of-arturo-gatti%e2%80%99s-funeral/

hhascup
07-31-2009, 07:05 PM
http://myboxingfans.com/2009/07/photos-of-arturo-gatti%e2%80%99s-funeral/

Yes, I was their last night. They had another one last Saturady and I was one of the speakers and rung the bell 9 times in celebration of him life.

hhascup
07-31-2009, 07:06 PM
MONTREAL (AP) - Boxer Arturo Gatti's body was exhumed Friday to allow the Quebec coroner's office to perform a new autopsy at his family's request.

The development comes a day after Brazilian police classified Gatti's death as a suicide.

Until Thursday, police in the northeastern Brazil city of Recife considered it a homicide, with his wife as the prime suspect. Now, police say Gatti hanged himself with a handbag strap from a staircase column more than seven feet off the ground.

Gilles Ethier, deputy chief coroner of the western part of the Province of Quebec, said Gatti's family had retained an American pathologist, who will assist with the autopsy Saturday morning at the Montreal morgue.

"Clearly, it's necessary for us to pursue the investigation," Ethier said. "Of course, it's a little more complex for the pathologist because the body has been embalmed."

Gatti's Montreal funeral was July 20.

Many of his friends and family have expressed disbelief at the suicide ruling, and Canadian Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon said in a statement Friday that government officials will seek more information from Brazilian authorities on the Gatti investigation and its findings.

Ellen Haley, a spokeswoman for Main Events, the longtime promoter of Gatti's bouts, said in a statement "we do not believe that he took his own life."

She said members of the Gatti family, along with his boxing manager Pat Lynch, will carry out their own investigation. "We believe that once the results of that investigation are revealed, the truth will come to light and justice will be done," Haley said.

Gatti's wife, 23-year-old Amanda Rodrigues, was released Thursday after being held since July 12 in Recife. She and Gatti arrived with their 10-month-old son a few days before in the resort town of Porto de Galinhas, where they rented a two-level apartment.

Milena Saraiva, a Recife police spokeswoman, provided more information Friday about Gatti's death.

Police ultimately concluded he hanged himself in the apartment early on July 11 from a wooden staircase column that was 7.3 feet off the ground. He stood on a stool and kicked it out from underneath him, police said. The autopsy report said Gatti was suspended for about three hours before his body fell to the floor.

Rodrigues said she was sleeping with the couple's son in an upstairs bedroom. She told police she went downstairs about 6 a.m. to get milk for the boy, saw Gatti's body on the floor and assumed he was drunkenly sleeping. It was not until she went back downstairs at 9 a.m. that she discovered Gatti was dead and called police. Saraiva said no suicide note was found.

"The first investigators to arrive at the scene only saw his body on the floor and the bloodied strap near his body," Saraiva said. "They assumed his wife strangled him."

Saraiva said 17 witnesses told police the couple got into a loud fight on a street near the beach in Porto de Galinhas the night before Gatti died. Saraiva said Gatti had seven cans of beer, along with two bottles of wine, over the course of dinner and partying at a bar.

Thanks, Henry

Ron Lipton
08-01-2009, 11:30 AM
Incredible really. The information on this story has changed so much from the onset.

Who knows anymore what the real truth is. Just a horrible tragedy.
Hard to believe he would kill himself over one woman like that. Very bizzare.

hhascup
08-01-2009, 07:34 PM
MONTREAL (AP)—A second autopsy performed at the request of former boxer Arturo Gatti’s family has not ruled out homicide in his death.

Michael Baden, the former chief pathologist for the New York State Police and host of the HBO cable TV show “Autopsy,” said Saturday that an autopsy performed by Quebec coroners found that an investigation by Brazilian authorities was incomplete.

The second autopsy came two days after Brazilian police classified Gatti’s death a suicide.

“There were definite injuries that had not been seen by the Brazilian authorities, but one needs a lot of additional information, including a toxicology which isn’t available yet, to come to a conclusion as to whether it’s homicide or suicide,” Baden said.

Until Thursday, police in the northeastern Brazilian city of Recife considered Gatti’s death a homicide and held his wife Amanda Rodrigues as the prime suspect. Now, police say Gatti hanged himself with a handbag strap from a staircase column more than seven feet off the ground.

Gatti’s family has rejected the conclusion that he committed suicide at an upscale resort in Brazil on July 11.

Following the autopsy, Baden said it was apparent that the Brazilian investigation was incomplete. Toxicology tests will take place in Montreal in the coming weeks.

“The family (and pathologist’s office) are waiting for results from the Brazilian police as to the scene of death and circumstances in Brazil before a final conclusion can be made,” Baden said. “But the pathologists here (in Quebec) did a super job at finding things, including injuries, that were missed in Brazil.”

Gatti, a Canadian who captured two world titles in his 16-year pro career, retired in 2007 with a record of 40-9.

Many of his friends and family have expressed disbelief at the suicide ruling, and Canadian Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon said in a statement Friday that government officials will seek more information from Brazilian authorities.

Ellen Haley, a spokeswoman for Gatti’s longtime promoter Main Events, said in a statement that “we do not believe that he took his own life.” She said members of the Gatti family, along with his former manager Pat Lynch, will carry out their own investigation.

“We believe that once the results of that investigation are revealed, the truth will come to light and justice will be done,” the statement said.

Earlier this week, friends close to the Gatti family brought a computer to the Montreal police, claiming it had evidence of interest to his death. Montreal police have not searched the contents of the computer, and are making arrangements to have it sent to Brazilian authorities, Montreal police Constable Ian Lacoursiere said.

Gatti’s 23-year-old wife was released earlier this week after being held since July 12 in Recife. She and Gatti arrived with their 10-month-old son a few days before in the resort town of Porto de Galinhas, where they rented a two-level apartment.

“I am absolutely sure that the second autopsy will reconfirm that he committed suicide,” Rodrigues’s attorney, Celio Avelino, said by telephone.

Repeated calls to Rodrigues went unanswered.

Milena Saraiva, a Recife police spokeswoman, provided more information Friday about Gatti’s death.

Police concluded that he hanged himself in the apartment early on July 11 from a wooden staircase column that was about 7 feet off the ground. He stood on a stool and kicked it out from under him, police said. The autopsy report said Gatti was suspended for about three hours before his body fell to the floor.

Thanks, Henry

StingerKarl
08-02-2009, 03:14 PM
If this is true, what kind of a person was this guy out of the ring?

His wife already had a restraining order placed on him for physical abuse, and if you see her, the little thing dosen't weigh a hundred pounds!

What kind of a person beats a little lady like that up?

The security guard should be commended for his heroism by putting himself in a life threatening situation, possibly saving her life from this drunken, out of control and deadly madman if these 17 witness statements are indeed true.

The crowd didn't stand by and let him get away with it, though.

Arturo Gatti: Second Autopsy a Go; Police Details
By Mark Vester (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=21355)

jim glen
08-02-2009, 04:15 PM
Man could he have been that distraught... " without knowing", I somehow don't think so!

Jim.

DscribeDC
08-04-2009, 12:49 PM
I was a Criminal Investigator with the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office.

What is disturbing to me is that the initial reports kept mentioning a large kitchen knife and a bloody wound to the back of the sleeping champion's head.

What about that?

He hung himself with her purse straps and fell into a sleeping position in bed?
Am I missing something?

What the hell is going on here?

I'm afraid I'm with Ron on this one...Gatti changes his will to leave everything to the wife...Three weeks later, while on vacation in the wife's backyard, he dies under mysterious circumstances. The wife is charged with murder, but everyone does a sudden about-face and sets her free to collect everything. Including $1 million in life insurance.

Maybe I'm dumb, but I have to believe hanging yourself is not easy, especially when you're shitfaced drunk. And why would you try to commit suicide by stabbing yourself in the back of the head with a steak knife? Wouldn't a public figure leave a suicide note? Could you hang for three hours without your wife realizing it? I haven't seen the purse strap, but I just can't imagine how you would use it to hang yourself...

Ron, you ever see anything like this?

This is all just too too fishy.

TKO11
08-04-2009, 01:44 PM
This is just one guy's opinion, but it sounds to me like everything has been explained. He wasn't stabbed in the back of the head, the injury was from someone who threw a rock at him and hit him in the head after he threw his wife by the throat at the bar. They cops saw the wound on the body and assumed he had been stabbed because there was a steak knife on the floor nearby.

As far as "how can he hang for 3 hours without being seen", they explained that too - that he did it after she and the kid went to bed. The purse strap broke after three hours and when she came down at 6am and saw him lying sprawled on the floor she just figured he was pissy-ass drunk and passed out.

Like I said a few days ago, it sounds just like they had a drunk fight at the bar and in a regrettable fit of drunken depression Gatti said "Fuck it." It ain't like he's the first one to dosuch a dumb thing.

It sounds to me like people are dying to see a coverup and conspiracy in this - but from all official accounts, it just isn't there. A posh resort in Brazil isn't exactly Burma guys - and these cops would be highly motivated to get to the actual bottom of it. It would be incredibly bad for the tourist trade for the place to be seen as a home for bottom-feeders, so I personally find it extremely unlikely that anything hinky is going on in the investigation. Just an initial incorrect assumption coupled with some stupid comments to the media.

jim glen
08-04-2009, 02:19 PM
TKO, I too have thought out reports in favour of a simple explanation and I'm sure many others have also... That conclusion and the more accurate discription of the event might prove to be true.

However it just seems so 'unlikely', because like Gatti's family we can't come to terms with a Gatti suicide. I also don't believe that people are just happy or wanting this little snipe of a wife to be found guilty, I don't believe that is the feeling of most of us!

I think most of us just think that the 'suspicious' circumstances suggest more here, perhaps much more. Whether his wife and/or others connected to her, or a robbery gone wrong or some other parties or reasons played a part in it.

It just seems so sudden and out of character and 'suspicious' that's all.

hhascup
08-04-2009, 03:19 PM
Gatti Friends Outraged at Suicide Ruling

Here's a video that was taken last Thursday at the Mass in Jersey City for Gatti.

http://www.wpix.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=28f926e2-59f7-4179-9a35-7b6009149ad6&src=front

DscribeDC
08-04-2009, 06:16 PM
TKO, just too many questions...

Why so soon after changing the will?

If he was going to kill himself, why thousands of miles from home?

Why not leave a note?

Why choose such a patently bizarre manner of suicide?

How do you mistake a bloody suicide by hanging for a passed-out drunk?

Why the sudden 180 on the theory of his death?

There are just way too many unanswered questions here. Let's see what the Canadian autopsy turns up...

Alternate theory: wife gets hubby to change will, wife convinces husband to second-honeymoon in her country (where she knows people), wife is already thinking of splitting and final fracas convinces her, boxer gets hammered, wife calls sketchy old boyfriend, wife and boyfriend do a number on boxer, wife promises payoffs to law enforcement once estate is probated, wife walks.

I hate to say it, but it has a certain logic to it.

TKO11
08-04-2009, 08:12 PM
But does it make sense that if you were going to stage a suicide that you'd use a flipping purse as the hanging vehicle? That alone makes the idea of a staged event almost silly to me. If you were trying to make it look like he'd committed suicide, you would use a rope, and nothing else. And you would NOT make anything look suspicious, as her not discovering his body until many hours later does.

Why so soon after changing the will? I would chalk that up to coincidence (despite all the conspiracy theories about everything under the sun, coincidences actually do occur from time to time). Why no note? The guy was juiced - when you have a skin full of booze and are depressed beyond all hell for screwing up your marriage and for beating your wife in front of a crowd, a crowd which incidentally made it clear they hate you and physically assaulted you for your actions, you tend not to do things very rationally.

How do you mistake a hanging suicide for passed out? I think it's pretty obvious the way they described the scene - he hanged himself after she went to bed, and the purse strap broke after a few hours, spilling him onto the floor. When she came down a few hours later he was lying on his face on the floor. I can't speak for anyone else, but I grew up with an alcoholic father and finding his drunk ass laying on the floor on a Sunday morning was par for the course most of the time. And yes, I actually left him there most of the time too, until he woke up enough to drag his ass up himself.

Why did Arturo use a purse strap to hang himself? Because he was on vacation at a resort in Brazil. Other than that, the electric cord on the coffee maker was probably the most lethal hanging device in the suite. I would venture to guess that there weren't any lengths of nylon rope made readily available to resort guests just in case they felt particularly self-loathing at any given time. If he'd used a hanger would it have been less suspicious? How about his shoelaces? My guess is he saw it, said "that'll work" and did it before even thinking about it too hard.

Why the 180 on the theory of his death? I think it's clear that the cops rushed to judgement based on some faulty assumptions and once the forensic team saw what was what it showed their assumptions to be wrong. There wasn't anything (the purse strap, the wound to the head, why it took hours to figure out he was dead) that wasn't found to have a logical explanation.

"Wife promises payoffs once estate is probated"? Come on David - who would buy that? Six months from now she is in Canada, with her couple mill, and excuses herself to go back to Brazil with a manilla envelope full of $100s to hand over to the local police chief? A police chief who incidentally agreed to let her go because he trusts her to make her way back with his taste once the money rolls in?

As pretty much anyone that hangs out on the Off Topic board knows, I detest conspiracy theories. When it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, while it isn't impossible that it is actually a llama, odds are pretty overpowering that it's a duck. I believe that's the case here.

No matter what Mickey Roarke says, nobody was inside Gatti's head. But look at the circumstances... Here's a guy who is in a new marraige, one that is unhappy. He has recently made a huge change, forgoing the adulation that powered his get-up-and-go for the last 20 years. He assaults his wife, and a crowd of people rip him and throw shit at him and make him feel loike a shit. Now, with the ended career, busted marriage, feeling miserable and hated, probably like everything that means anything to him is now gone.... to think it's farfetched that he might have been suicidal is to ignore a lot of realities, I think. And being drunk makes it worse - when you're drunk self loathing is exxagerated by a factor of ten, and so is self-destructive behavior. In my opinion, it's all sad, and unfortunate and stupid, but it makes sense that it went down the way they are saying.

DscribeDC
08-04-2009, 09:35 PM
You could be right. Who knows?

But there are any number of ways bribes or payoffs could be made. It would hardly be necessary for Amanda to fly to Brazil with an envelope full of Benjamins. Come on...That's just naive.

Also, I wonder how the cops mistook a wound caused by a thrown rock for a knife wound. How does that happen?

Not to be morbid, but doghouse boxing somehow got a copy of the crime scene photo. I'm curious why the cops say he kicked the stool over to hang himself, but in the photo it's still upright.

Why did the Brazilians only do a partial autopsy, even though the death was initially ruled a homicide?

I don't know the truth, and as GorDoom will attest, I am definitely not a conspiracy buff. But it will be interesting to see what autopsy II shows. They are already saying that the Brazilians overlooked bruises on the body...

hagler04
08-04-2009, 10:46 PM
This is just one guy's opinion, but it sounds to me like everything has been explained. He wasn't stabbed in the back of the head, the injury was from someone who threw a rock at him and hit him in the head after he threw his wife by the throat at the bar. They cops saw the wound on the body and assumed he had been stabbed because there was a steak knife on the floor nearby.

As far as "how can he hang for 3 hours without being seen", they explained that too - that he did it after she and the kid went to bed. The purse strap broke after three hours and when she came down at 6am and saw him lying sprawled on the floor she just figured he was pissy-ass drunk and passed out.

Like I said a few days ago, it sounds just like they had a drunk fight at the bar and in a regrettable fit of drunken depression Gatti said "Fuck it." It ain't like he's the first one to dosuch a dumb thing.

It sounds to me like people are dying to see a coverup and conspiracy in this - but from all official accounts, it just isn't there. A posh resort in Brazil isn't exactly Burma guys - and these cops would be highly motivated to get to the actual bottom of it. It would be incredibly bad for the tourist trade for the place to be seen as a home for bottom-feeders, so I personally find it extremely unlikely that anything hinky is going on in the investigation. Just an initial incorrect assumption coupled with some stupid comments to the media.


I agree with TKO11. People unfortunately seem to be holding on to a fairytale perception to avoid what looks to be the truth. On also has to remember this man suffered an extreme amount of brain trauma from his boxing career so to me him suddenly 'snapping' makes absolute sense.

diggity
08-05-2009, 09:37 AM
It very well could be the truth but it would have been easier to swallow had the investigation not been handled by a bunch of unprofessionals.

hawk5ins
08-05-2009, 10:40 AM
misdirection aside to all of this:

Does ANYONE here have an issue with two grown adults being out at a Bar Drunk off their asses while thier 10 month old Child is alone in their hotel room sleeping. Again...10 month old child ALONE in a hotel room while the parents are out at a bar Drunk/drinking.

We probably will never know the full truth here on how Gatti Died (though I tend to beleive it was indeed a suicide carried out by a depressed, irrational, drunken Gatti) or if his wife did or did not have a hand in his death, but I think we can all conclude based on how BOTH acted as it pertained to their child, that NEITHER was an Angel that we should look upon as someone to be admired.

Gatti as a fighter, was a wonderful and exciting athlete to watch and cheer for.

As a human being, I think there are some things about him that are more than just a little questionable.

I would say that also applies to his wife as well.

Hawk

gregbeyer
08-05-2009, 02:15 PM
one problem for me, though the new story seems plausible, is that the brazilian police (keystone cops) did not not at first report a fight in the bar, or the fact that she thought gatti was asleep on the FLOOR or a rock throwing incident until what ? 2 1/2 to 3 weeks after his death.

i hope baden can tell a stab wound from a rock throwing injury. of course maybe after the canadian autopsy the results willbe sealed...

greg

DscribeDC
08-07-2009, 12:12 PM
Greg: I think if Baden finds any inconsistencies, they will be trumpeted in every available media outlet. No worries there.

I'm no expert, but the medical community must have so much data on hanging victims it's hard for me to believe that it could be mistaken for anything else.

Was the neck stretched? Were there signs of a struggle? Did blood pool in the lower extremities? Was the body moved post-mortem?

I am looking forward to the answers to these questions...

PD99
08-07-2009, 01:15 PM
I've read that the Quebec Coroner noted injuries that were not referenced in the original autopsy and has duly requested ALL relevant paperwork from the Brazilian authorities so it will take a few wks before a conclusion is reached.

On one hand, one might conclude initial and gross police ineptitude. On the other, a later cover up.

Initially, at the scene, all that was noted was the bloodied purse strap, a knife and of course Gatti's body. Fast forward to the final conclusion, Gatti hung himself by a stair case column, kicking out a stool from beneath him, choking to death and eventually falling to the fall after the strap broke.

How was a now, presumably near by stool, (likely over turned) not noted in the first instance and how is the near by knife now somehow of no consequence (possibly used to cut off the purse strap if it wasn't one of those detatchable types - who knows)?

Imo, the use of the wife's own personal effect (purse strap) and not Gatti's (say an easily travelled and more sturdy trouser belt) is reasonably suspicious It certainly should not be discounted merely because it appears "too" suspicious to have been used in what might have otherwise been a heat of the moment murder.

I don't recall reading that the wife even suggested a suicide early in the piece - rather, didn't she suggest that someone else may've murdered Gatti? So much incomplete, fragmented and contrary bs flying around, it's hard to keep track of what was, what now isn't and what currently is.

Just on the child - and it's disturbing that the child was exposed to any of the altercations and left alone for any length of time but I also recall reading that, after the fracas, the child travelled back to the villa with Gatti (has this changed?), after which the child was then left alone (properly confirmed - not left with a third party?) when Gatti headed back to find his wife who apparently returned in the meantime.

I'm looking forward to a LOT more answers also, and this thing may well have a few more twists left in it yet.

gregbeyer
08-07-2009, 07:26 PM
pd99,

yes ! the stool. great question. how was that missed.

greg

DscribeDC
08-11-2009, 01:41 PM
As I said, in the published crime scene photo, the stool was undisturbed.

PD99
08-11-2009, 09:21 PM
DC - yes, you did mention the undisturbed stool post # 113. My skim read missed that.

If the crime scene photo (which I've seen also) reflects the scene exactly as the police found it, then the upright stool certainly wasn't screaming SUICIDE but I think it should have been noted all the same. Earlier reports also suggested that it appeared THAT the crime scene may've been "Altered" - without specifying exactly how the scene might've been "Altered" for whatever motive.

Perhaps now the upright stool might fall under the "Altered" perception, possibly explained away by the wife perhaps having righted and moved the stool before realising that Gatti was dead - initially believing that he had simply fallen down drunk from a seated position. Just anticipating the "Defense" for same.

Maybe I watch too much L & O but I would think they might've at least found evidence of Gatti's feet or footwear having contact with the top of the stool to support their conclusion.

doomeddisciple
08-24-2009, 06:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKFwDTE8Zjg&feature=player_embedded

A nice tribute video to all three recent fallen warriors.

DscribeDC
08-25-2009, 10:39 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2009/08/21/2009-08-21_supporters_of_arturo_gatti_frustrated.html

Evidence of blunt-force trauma? So, then, Gatti beat himself up before he hanged himself?

I also wonder why a public figure with tons of fans would a) commit suicide thousands of miles from home; and b) leave no suicide note?

hawk5ins
08-25-2009, 10:54 AM
He was:

A-drunk off his ass,

B- depressed as all hell (cause his marriage was falling apart and a crowd of people just showered him with insults and threw rocks at him after he pushed his wife to the ground in front of them)

and

C-not thinking clearly?

That's one theory.

Hawk

kikibalt
08-28-2009, 02:44 PM
Gatti’s wife to sue over husband’s death

August 28, 2009 by Edgar Gonzalez

The wife of boxer Arturo Gatti intends to sue the state of Pernambuco for arresting her as a prime suspect in her husband’s death a month ago.

Amanda Rodrigues spent 18 days in jail after husband found dead at Brazil resort town of Porto de Galinhas.

Rodrigues’ lawyer, Celio Avelino, said by telephone Thursday his client is taking action against the state for “wrongfully accusing her of murder.” Avelino said paperwork will be filed in about 20 days. He declined to provide further details.

A day after Gatti was found dead, police said his 23-year-old wife strangled him with her purse strap as he drunkenly slept. But on July 30, police ruled the 37-year-old boxer had committed suicide and Rodrigues was released from jail

jim glen
09-03-2009, 04:10 PM
and now the real fight begins!

http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/story.html?id=1952132

Ron Lipton
09-03-2009, 11:55 PM
Yeah she really deserves a penny for aggravating him to death,
possibly killing him and driving him insane according toall reports about him fighting with her about her flirting and dressing like a whore to drive the guys nuts. Sounds reasonable to me, yeah thats it, give her everything, not his mother.

jim glen
09-21-2009, 12:14 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8266380.stm
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090919/gatt_autopsy_090919/20090919?hub=Canada

don't know what the hell to think... however the toxin substance found could definately mean foul play and warrents further investigation!

walshb
09-21-2009, 01:10 PM
Well, the drug in the system, how does this prove foul play?

Could Gatti not have ingested said drug himself with no
interference? Did he ingest it to maybe ease the possible
pain or suffering that he thought may occur from trying to take his life?

What exactly was the drug? Even if the wife gave him the drug, aren't they saying
he died from hanging? Seems strange to me that a female killer would go
to these lengths to kill a man.

jim glen
09-21-2009, 03:50 PM
"COULD" was the word walsh...

It 'may' very well be suicide - shocking and hard too come to terms with, but yes might just be a suicide.

COULD however be a murder still(???), Who knows, just yet?

Mike DeLisa
09-21-2009, 05:02 PM
WAH WAH my wife is a piece of ass who I met while stripping. WAH! She is still dressing like a whore WAH! GLURGK!


Geeze, guys, you can't fault the wife for anything. She was his wife, she had his child, she deserves his estate.

Perhaps the pussy drove him nuts, but that just means he allowed it to do so.

He got what he paid for it seems in terms of his relationship with her. The fact that he got drunk/drugged up (note proper use of the virgule) and killed himself was his choice.

Ron Lipton
09-21-2009, 09:03 PM
No crying for him at all.

I would imagine he had hoped for a decent change. He obviously did not get it.

Who knows what she "Deserves." It is very hard to believe he killed himself and anyone that drove him to it if so, certainly does not deserve a reward.

Legal, isn't everything. She may be the mammal that mated with him and produced a wanted or unwanted offspring, who knows. A very suspicious death to be sure, a beloved champion and brave warrior.

I understand the legal aspect of it, but something stinks about the injustice of it.

We all have our own problems to dwell on, certainly not his, but a sorry demise for a great warrior and a very sleazy spouse to be rewarded for it.

Ron Lipton
09-21-2009, 10:11 PM
I just read that the second autopsy found a drug that causes drowsiness in his system. That alone raises a red flag of suspicion regarding someone who all his close family and friends say would never kill himself.

I did not know him, I cannot say. Just sad all the way around.

hhascup
09-22-2009, 10:29 PM
Here's another up-date on Arturo Gatti

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090922/que_gatti_090922/20090922?hub=Canada


No conclusion on Gatti suicide report: Que. coroner

Updated Tue. Sep. 22 2009 1:39 PM ET

The Canadian Press

The Quebec coroner's office vehemently denies a report that it has concluded boxer Arturo Gatti committed suicide.

It disputes suggestions that it agrees with the Brazilian authorities who believe the former champion hung himself.

Montreal's La Presse newspaper reported that it had obtained details of a second autopsy -- this one conducted in Quebec -- that confirmed the suicide finding from Brazilian authorities.

But the Quebec coroner's office released a statement Tuesday saying it was still gathering material, and that it could take months to publish its findings.

"Despite what's being reported, at no point did the coroner's office or one of its representatives deliver any such information (confirming suicide)," said the statement Tuesday.

"The coroner's office wants to dissociate itself from these supposed leaks and all other speculation that's appeared in certain media in recent days."

The coroner's office said it had yet to receive a report from the second autopsy, and had only received a portion of the documents it requested from authorities in Brazil.

The Quebec office says it will share its findings in a public report -- but says it will take a while.

"Given the complexity associated with the international character of this case, several months will probably be required," the statement said.

Gatti's widow had expressed relief at the report in La Presse.

Amanda Rodrigues was initially suspected of killing her husband in July, but was quickly freed as Brazilian authorities determined Gatti committed suicide.

jim glen
09-23-2009, 02:33 AM
here is the bulk of that official statement;

But the Quebec coroner's office released a statement Tuesday saying it was still gathering material, and that it could take months to publish its findings.

"Despite what's being reported, at no point did the coroner's office or one of its representatives deliver any such information (confirming suicide)," said the statement Tuesday.

"The coroner's office wants to dissociate itself from these supposed leaks and all other speculation that's appeared in certain media in recent days."

The coroner's office said it had yet to receive a report from the second autopsy, and had only received a portion of the documents it requested from authorities in Brazil.

The Quebec office says it will share its findings in a public report -- but says it will take a while.

"Given the complexity associated with the international character of this case, several months will probably be required," the statement said.

Ringer#1
08-24-2011, 09:14 AM
Bump

jim glen
09-12-2011, 11:22 AM
http://hudsonreporter.com/view/full_story/15458855/article-SCOREBOARD-09-11-2011-Gatti%E2%80%99s-death-ruled-homicide-by-investigative-group-Say-there%E2%80%99s-no-way-courageous-boxer-killed-self-in-2009-?instance=jim_lead_story_left_column

Ringer#1
09-12-2011, 12:15 PM
Not surprised on the choice of Cyril Wecht.

Wecht has the credibility in his pocket, but his ties conspiracy theories, dates back to the JFK assassination.

The trend seems to continue here. Again, being highly critical of the autopsy and off the cuff comments that really don't support any one single theory, but rather a simple denial of the results that were concluded.

The weight test of the hand bag strap was certainly an interesting piece that Dr. Zydlo introduced. But it makes me wonder if the statement can be proven.

Much like the Kennedy assassination, you have so called experts saying that no one could have fired the three shots Oswald did in the time he did, from the distance he did, with the rifle he had and achieving the accuracy he accomplished.

And yet, the feat has been duplicated and improved upon numerous times.

So while the test of the bag strap snapping at 70 pounds of weight sounds pretty conclusive, I would like to see the results proven out before believing this completely.

Finally, the comments about the private investigators hired by the Gatti family stating that they had no control over the crime scene in Brazil. That the body was moved as was other evidence.

Here's my obvious question: When were they hired and when did they arrive at the hotel in Brazil? How long was the hotel room/Crime scene, and especially, the Body of Gatti, to have remained untouched so that these PI's could get to where Gatti's death happened and they perform their OWN investigation.

Making the statement they did makes the Brazilian police sound inept and or corrupt indeed. But without any sort of time reference as to when they actually got to Brazil, the comment holds almost no value what so ever.

To me, this only adds questions as opposed to providing answers.

hhascup
09-20-2011, 12:25 PM
I received this from 48 Hours this morning:

COMING UP – THE SEASON PREMIERE OF 48 HOURS MYSTERY:
“ARTURO GATTI’S LAST FIGHT”
SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 24 (10:00 P.M., ET/PT)


CLICK HERE FOR A PREVIEW OF THE NEW SEASON

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7379522n

WHAT: The 48 HOURS MYSTERY season premiere brings you an investigation into the mysterious death of world championship boxer Arturo Gatti.

WHO: Correspondent Erin Moriarty reports on Gatti, the ultimate blood and guts warrior, who won three world titles, including welterweight champion. A multi-millionaire known for his legendary trilogy of fights with Mickey Ward, Gatti’s professional fights were nothing compared to the shadows he faced outside the ring. Two years after retiring, did Gatti kill himself or was it murder?

WHEN: Saturday, September 24 (10:00 P.M. ET/PT)

WHY YOU Exclusive television interviews with:
SHOULD
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- Gatti’s brother, Joe, who speaks for the first time on-camera about the demons his brother faced. He shares his own theory about how Arturo died, a serious departure from what the rest of the Gatti family is convinced happened that night.
- Mickey Ward, whose life story became an award-winning movie, “The Fighter,” tells us his friend would never have taken his own life.
- Mario Costa, a friend who knew Gatti since he was 17 years old, and provides insight into the truth of the champion’s emotional state.

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jim glen
12-17-2011, 06:00 AM
So Gatti's widow gets the lot...

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111216/gatti-fortune-ruling-quebec-judge-111216/20111216/?hub=CalgaryHome

thats fine IF she's innocent, BUT her days in remand, and her joy in release not long after such a tragic loss, to me at least spell police corruption and copulation, lots of it, 2 weeks of it or whatever the hell length of time she spent in there.

Hard to say, just never felt right about the whole business.