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Sweet. I really don't know if the original lists are still up. I think they were purged quite some time ago.
The lists were only top 20 and If I am not mistaken, a handful of entries were only top 10 so there was some unfortunate but unavoidable "weighting" invloved with this compilation.
Looking back, the names that you listed Do stand out as being left out, especially this being an aggregate list.
Hawk
That's what I get for only looking at MY posts!
I didn't even see that T posted those old lists!
Mine has some revisions to it from when that was originally posted (It is ever changing as the education process never ends.).
Langford and Greb have moved up. Joe Louis and Benny Leonard have moved down slightly. And Emile Griffith is now in my top 20 bumping out Pryor and just edging out Ike WIlliams who moved up as well.
Again, This is MY list and Mine alone. I don't claim that it is superior to anyone else's or that it is the [B]CORRECT[/B] list.
I have never state that I am an "expert". But I do consider myself to be a well schooled fan who has closely followed the sport for over 30 years.
I love lists. But they aren't anything to get one's panties in a bunch over.
Hawk
Sanchez top 20? I must have been on drugs. SRL, Sanchez and others would not be where they are.
THis is on your permanent record.
Sex offenses.
Income Tax evasion.
Failure to pay Child Support.
Pound for Pound lists, any and all incarnations.
They shall haunt, scar and ultimately, define what kind of person you REALLY are.
Hawk
Hawk, do you have an up-to-date list you can post? I'd be interested to give it a gander.
By the way, does anyone have a top 200 list? There's a challenge.
I'm not that bullet proof to trot my list out here.
Personally, I think my criticisms of Gene Tunney, beleifs that Zale would beat Freddie Steele, opinions on Liston vs. Ali in Lewiston and my heresy about Holmes beating Marciano is enough to keep me in a defensive position on this site.
Dragging out my list of who I think makes up the 100 All Time Pound for pound fighters is IMO an unecessary fodder for the masses.
Hawk
Fair enough. All the same, you defend your views well enough to counter any serious criticisms from what I've seen.
But it was expunged, Hawk.. They tol' me that.
They never are truly expunged.
Hawk
I thought you boiled those. Anyway.
Lists are not my forte.. though I may slip a new one in here to make you happy.
You spoil me.
Hawk
No... you me.
for nostalgia!
Hawk
Top 10
1. Sam Langford
2. Harry Greb
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Ezzard Charles
Joe Gans
Benny Leonard
Bob Fitzsimmons
Willie Pep
Roberto Duran
I'm strong on the top 3. The others are interchangeable to some degree. The rest I will have to think aboot...
Here's 50 on my ever-changing list.
Harry Greb
Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Sam Langford
Bob Fitzsimmons
Roberto Duran
Joe Gans
Ezzard Charles
Muhammad Ali
Benny Leonard
Willie Pep
Barney Ross
George Dixon
Packey McFarland
Charley Burley
Archie Moore
Barbados Joe Walcott
Mickey Walker
Tony Canzoneri
Jimmy McLarnin
Ray Leonard
Pernell Whitaker
Carlos Monzon
Joe Louis
Jim Driscoll
Tommy Ryan
Kid McCoy
Jose Napoles
Luis Rodriguez
Kid Gavilan
Ike Williams
Carlos Ortiz
Eder Jofre
Marvin Hagler
Lloyd Marshall
Holman Williams
Gene Tunney
Billy Conn
Jimmy Bivins
Terry McGovern
Stanley Ketchell
Roy Jones Jr.
Sandy Saddler
Emile Griffith
Alexis Arguello
Rocky Marciano
Julio Cesar Chavez
Vicente Saldivar
Ruben Olivares
Thomas Hearns
man... props to anyone who even attempted this list. really ... much respect.
to me... its not possible. too many variables.
i can't say that greb beats robbie or even monzon. can't say jofre gets by oliveras or ortiz.
its all for fun i guess but who knows ?
jack and rocky ?
johnson-tunney...
r u kiddin me ?
how about hagler at middle against anyone. or bob foster against any lightheavy ?
greg
[QUOTE=gregbeyer]
to me... its not possible. too many variables.
[/QUOTE]Agreed 100%. I just see lists as something to do in my down time. I don't take them any more seriously than anyone else's. All in fun.