o.k. some much for the beer thing.
redd foxx and harry kabakoff had a few fighters together
do you remember the fighters names?
o.k. some much for the beer thing.
redd foxx and harry kabakoff had a few fighters together
do you remember the fighters names?
Fred Houpe was one, he was also known as Young Sanford.
was't fred houpe a hw ?
Yes, he was. Was undefeated until losing to Duane Bobick and Larry Holmes, back to back. I think his career was pretty much finished after that.
did they have a piece of victor abrahams??
when we spoke the other day i was going to ask about chango carmona. i think i heard he was living in L.A. now. how is he doing? i always thought carmona was a nice guy that was cast as a villian to build up his fights against L.A. fighters.
i was at the ramos carmona fight and it was a very sad nite. i never saw mando fight so weakly and later we found out why. after seeing him stop both ramos and robertson what were your thoughts leading up to the fight with chango. did you have any idea you could dominate him so completely?
also i know you were once thinking of challenging napoles for the welterweight title. in many ways i found your styles similiar. both of you knew how to slip punches leaving your hands free for punching. these days i see too many young fighters blocking punches which limits their ability to counter. have you taught your fighters to slip shots? seems many trainers have lost that art.
and lastly have you and mantequilla ever discussed what might have happened had you fought?
i know some of these questions are redundant but we have some new guys here since the site was hacked and i am sure they would like to here some of your thoughts that were lost. i never get tired of talking about those days.
I last saw Carmona several months ago at the 30th anniversary of the newspaper, Entre Cuerdas, at a Mexican restaurant in east Los Angeles. Barbara and I met his wife and their kids and their families. We had a nice visit. It is rare that two champions that fought for the title are at the same place at the same time so alot of pictures of us were taken. He is really a nice person not at all a villan type. He lives in San Fernando Valley and works at a hotel in valet parking. He is also training fighters.
Since you saw the Carmona/Ramos fight you probably remember me going up in the ring before the fight to challenge the winner. As for my thoughts before the fight, I was thanking God for allowing me to finally reach my goal of fighting for the championship. I was very confident and in excellent condition for that fight. I was confident that I would win the fight. Jacky and I had seen him train and spotted his weakness. You are correct about if you push him back he is lost. Just keep the pressure on him.
As for Mantequilla, I admired and respected him alot. He was a very smooth and classic fighter. Our styles were similar. I did challenger him for the welterweight championship in the begiining of 1975 and it was made public in the major newspapers in Mexico. However, he was booked up for another fight and then was going to retire so I decided to retire too. If we had ever fought it would have been a very tough fight. Whoever would have won, the other one would have been on the canvas once or twice. I have always wondered that myself since we both had similar styles.
The last time I saw Mantequilla was in 1998 in Mexico City when they had the WBC celebration. There were many world champions there including Roberto Duran. I was being interviewed by a TV station when Duran saw me and yelled out "Gato" and jumped on top of me. We both fell on the floor and the reporters loved it. Mantequilla is living in Juarez in the State of Chiguagua and has a Cuban band. Both he and his wife sing in a local club.
For the news on Rick and Mando.
Mando is still in a lot of pain but is dealing with it on a day to day basis.
He has nothing but good and positive things to say about Rodolfo, as does retired sportswriter Bill O'Neill.
Bill sent me a pic of him with Rodolfo and Mando at the WBHOF one year.
Mando is thankful to be alive and have a great pension due to the good folks at the Longshoreman's Union.
Rick Farris is no friend of Mando Ramos'.
Mando has good things to say about most everyone here but is in such trauma that he cannot sit at the computer much anymore.
I have just gotten over a severe back injury myself recently, and it is a terrible thing to go through as you folks that have had one know.
Thanks for the good stuff, fellas.
On Saturday afternoon my fighters fought in Riverside, CA. Unfortunately, my middleweight, Efrain, got cut on the lip in the second round and the referee stopped the bout. They are very protective of the fighters in the amatuer division which is good, but disappointing when your fighter loses the fight. However, this made my fighter mad and he says next time it is going to be the other way around. As for my heavyweight, Erik, he stopped his opponent in the first round with a great performance with combinations to the body and uppercuts to the chin. He won by TKO. His opponent was totally confused and didn't know what to do with so many punches coming at him. I was proud of both of them.
It is sad that Rick Farris and Mando Ramos had a falling out. They are my friends and I respect both of them. I know one thing. Rick was the life of this thread. I miss his input alot. His writings were so full of information and his style of writing is so colorful. I hope the parties involved can resolve their issues and we can get things back to where they were. Let's not forget what our Lord said, "FORGIVE AND YOU WILL BE FORGIVEN".
I just got done sending you an e-mail and thought I'd check out the CBZ as I haven't been here for the past few months. I still don't know what happened, but what a SHAME to have lost the original thread. For those that may recall in the original thread, my uncle has been very close friends of Gato's for many, many years. When I first located you on your thread, Gato, I had printed out the entire thread and read it (at that time it was at least 40 pages, so it read like a novel), but I'm afraid the printout was tossed long ago. I will still look at home to see if by some strike of luck it's still around. Being a boxing fan "rookie" I found it very interesting to hear all of the old stories from Gato and about Gato by so many guys on here that REALLY know boxing. I find it much more interesting to hear about the old days at the Olympic than about some of the current "sloppy" fighters.
Rodolfo, did you make it to the Thompson fights last Friday night? I have missed that past few shows, but I did make it last Friday and didn't see you there. It would be a shame if you were there and I just missed you in the crowd. Sort of funny thing happened during one of the breaks between fights - a fight broke out between a couple guys in the aisle right behind where I was sitting. It was pretty short-lived and they were wrapped up quickly by security. The part I thought was funny was I noticed Mando Muniz being one of the guys that was in the middle trying to break things up. If one of them accidentally hit Mando, they'd probably learn a lesson real quick - he still looks fit and probably still packs a good punch (as does Gato).
Sorry so long, but one more question - are you teaching your fighters the "Gancho"?? They'd be a step up on the competition by learning that one from one of the masters.
I'll let you know if by some miracle I come across the printout of the original thread.
It is nice to hear from you again. It's been a long time since you've written. I sure hope you find the 40 Pages from the old thread. We can repost them on this new thread for everybody to read. I'm sure everybody would appreciate that.
No, I wasn't at the Ken Thompson Boxing Show last Friday night. I had another show to attend at the Hilton Conference Center in Burbank. I never heard of a fight breaking out at the Ken Thompson show before. And to think of Mando Muniz in the middle of it ducking punches. There is another show on the 17th of October at the Doubletree Hotel in Ontario that I will be attending. If you can make it, I'll look forward to seeing you there.
The Gancho--Yes, I have taught my fighters how to throw the liver punch, however, they haven't perfected it yet. They need more practice and more confidence before they use it in a match. Hopefully, in a couple of weeks I will be able to book Erik for another fight.
Not sure if you remember me but I had posted in Gato's original thread and we met briefly at the Hall of Fame banquet in CA last year.
I was reading your comments on page 1 of this thread and saw your comments about your screensaver photo of Gato standing over Puddu --- I would love to see the photo... is there any way you could e-mail it to me?
If possible, please send to email@example.com. Thank you.
Here is some information about the World Boxing Hall of Fame Induction Banquet-2005. It is being held on Saturday, Oct. 22 at the Crowne Plaza Commerce Casino Hotel, 6121 East Telegraph Rd., Commerce, CA 90040. The festivities start at 10:00AM with the signing of autographs and photos. The social hour is at 6:00PM and dinner at 7:00PM followed by the induction.
The inductees this year are:
Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini
Barbara and I will be there all day and evening. We hope to see many of you there. I know Dan Hanley and his dad will be there. And Dennis, I know you will be there with some of your friends. Who else is going to be there? If you are reading this, please let me know so I can look for you there. For reservations, please call (909) 239-3541 or (951) 782-9688, after 4:00 pm. The tickets are $100, $150, and $200. Call ASAP before they are sold out.
hope you have a good time at the induction ceremonies. its a good way to show you old pros that you are still apreciated for what you sacrificed for. i wish i could be there.
if you get the chance give danny lopez and bobby chacon a hug and tell them they are still apreciated also. tell them that i still watch you all on tape and still marvel and the courage you all displayed. have fun.
Greg, sorry you're not going to make it. It is a guaranteed awesome time for anyone who just wants to OD on boxing. Maybe next year, my friend. When did you relocate to Washington state anyway?
Dennis, hope you got the photos I sent of Puddu, Navarro and my screen saver. Looking forward to seeing you again next week.
Rodolfo, a quick question for you. I was thinking after the second Corrales-Castillo fight that your career needed a Zale-Graziano trilogy or Corrales-Castillo soon to be trilogy. I think how different things might have been with a career defining trilogy under your belt. Such as had Cervantes not beaten the count in the 3rd round of your fight how that might have set up a major rivalry after he won the title at 140. Or, if Duran had agreed to a unification in '73 or if MSG elected to hold a DeJesus-Gonzalez bout for NY recognition at 135. There are many intangibles which coould have set up a tremendous series. However, we're always at the mercy of circumstances. Incidentally, you actually did have a trilogy with Bobby Valdez, who became a top contender at 126. I know the bizarre results of the rematch which resulted in the 3rd fight. But your first fight with Valdez must have been fairly close for a rematch to be signed. Can you tell us about that first fight?
I'm sorry you won't be attending the WBHOF Banquet, but I will give your greetings to Danny Lopez and Bobby Chacon. I will tell them how well they are remembered by you.
Regarding Danny Valdez, as far as I remember he was a very strong fighter but with an ackward style. In my first fight with him, I was just coming back to the ring from being away from boxing for over two years, still recuperating from my liver illness. Furthermore, I was surviving on cereal and powdered milk for breakfast, lunch and dinner with my allowance of $5.00 for food for a week. I was not very strong. However, I managed to go the distance with him but lost a ten round decision. In the second fight, we bumped heads accidentally in the first round, and the referree stopped the bout and called it a technical draw. The third fight he butted me on my eyebrow in the 9th round, again accidentally and the referree stopped the bout and I lost by TKO. These three fights were the lowest of my career. It was several months later when I started gaining my strength back and I started winning again.
Well, Dan, Barbara and I will see you and your dad next week Saturday for another big celebration.
i have been in the pacific northwest for about 15 yrs. now. the place is beautiful but the boxing is slim pickins.
thank you. it would mean a lot to me if you say hello to those guys for me, have fun.
We had another great time at the WBHOF banquet this year. Dan, it was so good to see you and your dad again. Your dad makes it all so much fun with his funny comments. While I was busy signing autographs from 10:00 in the morning, Barbara and Dan took off at noontime to look for the private room where there was supposed to be food for all the fighters. Knowing Barbara and Dan they went through a lot of investigation going from room to room. They finally found a room that had food and fancy tables but no people were in it. They hoped it was the right room and took a chance that it was and helped themselves to the untouched buffet. Moments later Dan came to my table where I was signing autographs and brought me a coke. He told me Barbara had food for me in this special room. I followed Dan, who then went to get his dad and we all ended up in the room with the food, hoping nobody would come in and tell us we didn't belong there.
After signing autographs until 3:00pm and visiting with so many friends and fans we took a break, then got ready for the evening banquet. The dinner was very good but the induction was a bit disappointing as a couple of inductees weren't able to make it.
Greg, I said hello to Bobby Chacon but Danny Lopez was not there this year. Many of the old time greats were there, probably about 50 both old and new. We took photos with alot of people. I hope I can remember who they all are.
We stayed at the Crowne Plaza Hotel overnight and in the morning Dan, his dad and Barbara and I met for a very nice breakfast to end a wonderful week-end.
sounds like you guys had a great time. thanx for saying hello to bobby.
Hey guys, I've had a hectic week catching up on things since last weekend so, sorry I haven't logged on. Regarding the Hall of Fame banquet, it was as Rodolfo mentioned, not as it was in previous years. When El Gato was inducted 2 years ago, the event brimmed with pageantry. This time the presentations appeared almost rushed with minimal fanfare. Maybe I've been spoiled from years past but it was still a great time. Possibly one of the reasons was the untimely death of Irene Mendoza who was a real workhorse for the annual banquet. The absentees were most notable. Joey Archer, Marc Ratner and Teddy Atlas couldn't make it and Boom Boom Mancini didn't come to the memorabilia show but did avail himself at the banquet (I've got a great photo of 3 generations of lightweight champs together, Carlos Ortiz, El Gato and Boom Boom). Alfonso Zamora and Jeff Chandler signed and posed with everyone. Chandler is a real card, anytime I mentioned Zamora's name he would duck, look around and squeal, "Zamora! Where?" To any of you die-hards (aren't we all) at any given time around that hotel you'd run into someone. I'm checking in next to Emile Griffith and Gaspar Ortega, I'm in the elveator with Mike Weaver and Jesus Pimental, I have breakfast on Saturday with Ernie Terrell and on Sunday with El Gato and Barb. The place is a fight fan's dream. The only nightmare was trying to get out of LAX on Sunday. What a madhouse. The only thing that made that experience tolerable was spending the time in line with Boza Edwards who spotted me and Pops and ushered us in line with him. Rodolfo, hate to tell you this one, but after we left you and Barb in that emerald room downstairs where we grabbed lunch, I ran into Armando Muniz who told us that that lunch was actually setup for the workers. Armando and us had a good laugh over it but I didn't have the heart to tell you afterwards that we really didn't belong in there afterall. Too funny. BTW, I've got a great photo of Bobby Chacon planting a big wet one on Pops. Every year my Dad tries to avoid him because as he says in his thick Irish brogue, "Oh, Christ! He's always trying to kiss me!" God love Bobby.
Glad you all had a good time at the Hall Of Fame. But lets be honest Champ it had to come secondary compared to your induction year. Nothing will ever come close to that for us our you. That year really was very special, and you will treasure the memory of it for the rest of your life.
Thank you so much for the write up and really glad you and your Dad enjoyed yourself there.
Like Bobby Chacon did - here is a kiss from another Irishman for your Pops (((((((((( HUGS ))))))))) KISS KISS
It is an honor to have friends like you and everyone who supported me all the way into the Hall of Fame. Thank you for your kind words.
Now you tell us about our goof up about being in the nice lunch room when we weren't supposed to be there. We ate alot of delicious food. I hope we left enough for the workers. I'm glad nobody came in while we were there to chase us out. That would have been very embarrassing. Barbara was telling me the story of last year when you went with her to find the room with the food and when you found it almost all of the food was gone, but the two of you made a plate up for me out of crumbs left on the platters and somehow made a skimpy sandwich and brought it to me where I was signing autographs. Whatever it was that I was eating was delicious. She was so proud this year because you were the first ones there to get the best seletion of food. I guess that means you all weren't supposed to have been in that room last year either. Did I tell you that I appreciated you bringing me that coke too, Dan? It really hit the spot.
I've been meaning to ask this question for a while. This is for everyone...
While I was training at the Hoover Gym, there were several name fighters who trained there. Before long some of these fighters vanished. I can remember some of their names. Maybe some of you readers know what happened to them.
The fighters are Frank "Too Sweet" Jennings, Alfredo Marcano, Pedro Lobato, Benny "Memin" Rodriguez, Jesse Burnett, and Jimmy Heir. I would like to know where they are today if any of you could tell me.
Rodolfo, Que Paza ? ( spelling )
Benny "Memin " Rodriguez ? is this the same one that fought Rick Farris at the Olympic Aud. in 1970? an he also fought Eddie Logan at the Olympic also?
i spoke to rick farris about the rodriguez fight the other day. he said benny ended rick's undefeated string. later benny fought danny lopez...rick told danny.."get him for me" and danny did..in one round. jackie mccoy was in benny's corner that nite and said that benny got caught cold..then he laughed and said "lopez seems to catch a lot of guys cold."
champ....was that pedro lobato or rodolfo lobato ?
I remember a Rodolfo Lobato but not a Pedro Lobato
To Frank and Greg---
I knew Danny Lopez beat Benny Rodriguez but I never knew he had fought Rick Farris. I remember Benny was a very smart boxer but not too hard of a puncher.
The fighter I am thinking of was Pedro Lobato. I talked to him several times and I am sure that was his name. He actually trained somewhere else but would come to the Hoover Gym from time to time to spar. I don't remember anyone named Rodolfo Lobato.
Another fighter who sometimes came to the gym was Gil King.
Anyway, do you know whatever happened to him and all the fighters I mentioned on my last post????
gil king is still around. he has been giving interviews lately and his memory of himself as a boxer improves with age. i saw mando muniz knock him out in 5 rounds but to hear gil tell it mando was lucky to escape alive.
he was a wild guy kind of in the frankie crawford mold and was also later shot in an incident that he survived.
Rodolfo, I don't know too much about what some of the guys are doing today. I recall in your late lamented thread that someone wrote in looking for some info on Jimmy Heair because he was doing a story on him and that he was not doing too good these days after years of a hard career (he had over 130 fights I believe). Jimmy could take a real good punch and that probably did not serve him well in the long run especially when his reflexes deserted him. He was flying so hot in the early '70s until his greatest win started turning things around. He wins a 10 round decision over Chango Carmona but comes out of the fight with a broken nose. The nose heals and then he rebreaks it sparring with you (what was his manager thinking?). He had some decent wins after that but something was missing. Losing to Rudy Barro and then to Mike Mayon (a fighter he had already beaten twice) signaled the end of his world ranking. As for Gil King, like Greg mentioned he has given some interviews, one of them I was lucky enough to conduct with him which appears in an early 2005 edition of the CBZ 'Wail' (if that's not a plug I don't know what is). Gil lives fairly contently in Hemet, California.