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    No suprises. Didnt expect Shane to pull out round 2 though in that fashion. A glimpse of his formerself. Couldnt keep his finger on the trigger unforunately. Good performance by Floyd.

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    Cliff

    Thank you for the coverage.

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    Beyond the few right hands he threw in the 2nd

    What indication was there that Shane had anything left?

    My God his entire game plan was abysmal.

    He didn't even attempt to repeat what was successful in round two.

    He shot what ever load he had left, in that round.

    I fail to see how Shane fought tonight, translates into success agianst too many other top notch fighters.

    THAT Shane faces Andre Berto, his original opponent.....It's a toss up.

    That says more about Berto than it does Mosley.

    I had stated previously, that dependant on how Shane did against Berto, that Manny Mosley would be a better bout than Manny Mayweather. Well, it's clear to me that Manny Mosley would have been a mismatch. Manny Stops what we saw tonight in about 8 rounds.

    One brief Highlight for Shane........And there was really nothing left after that.

    Truth be told, over the last half minute of the 2nd round, you could already see that the Moment was over and Shane, what ever he had left....was gone.

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    Re: Mayweather-Mosely Results & Discussion 5/1/10

    Oh well. At least he was clean.

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    Re: Mayweather-Mosely Results & Discussion 5/1/10

    It was proven again tonight that no matter who you are or how good you are, you can't beat FATHER TIME!!!!

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    Again, no surprise although I though Shane would have made the rounds a bit closer. Floyd was so smooth in comparison to Shane who has that irritating jumpy flinching style. I'll give props to Floyd for standing in front of Shane and engaging and not stinking the joint out, especially after getting rocked good in the second. He was calm under fire and had a strong third despite being shook.

    Would have loved to see a prime Mosley in there against Floyd. It's tough to do cart wheels over Mayweather's dominance when his opponent was an inactive 38 year old so it was what it was. Solid and commanding performance against a guy that hopefully will now hang them up.

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    Mosley looked gassed from the 3rd on.

    I echo your props brother bill on Mayweather's response from 3 onward.

    Too fast.

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    I 'm sorry but Mayweather should have finished off Shane.

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    I will agree with everyone here

    Floyd did what he had to do and was Indeed very impressive in doing so.

    He won about as clearly as I expected him to.

    His recovery was Indeed impressive in the third.

    But at the same time.......Shane did Nothing coming out for that round.

    Zero amount of follow up or continuation.

    But then again, he looked to have already slowed down over the last 30 secs of the 2nd.

    And Bill, I agree 100%....SHane's herky jerky hopping.......what the hell was that?

    I'll go and pop in Mosley's first bout with Oscar....from 2000, to recall what a PRIME Sugar Shane Mosley was again.

    I'm not Surprised here, but I am dissappointed none the less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikibalt
    It was proven again tonight that no matter who you are or how good you are, you can't beat FATHER TIME!!!!
    Can't beat Floyd Mayweather in this era either.

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    Not when Mayweather cheery picks his opponents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk5ins
    And Bill, I agree 100%....SHane's herky jerky hopping.......what the hell was that?
    He actually looked comical at times. I don't ever remember him doing that in such an exaggerated fashion.

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    i really struggle to grasp how this is the legacy sealing fight for floyd it has been made out to be. Floyd will no doubt bust out his 'Whoever i fight theres exscuses' BS.

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    Shane has been ass for years now. The only reason people thought he had a chance is because Antonio Margarito got built up to be more than the Yory Boy Campas which he is.

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    This is one of those frustrating results where it's not clear how much was old Mosley with shot legs and how much was great Floyd.

    Credit to Mayweather, he did what he always does. . .adjusted to his opponent after a few rounds and counterpunched him to smithereens. At the same time, going into the bout I worried about Mosley's age, reflexes and more importantly his legs . . guys like Shane and Roy can still have blazing handspeed into their 40s but when the legs don't follow, that means a big difference vs elite comp.

    By the first round I saw how bad Shane's balance was and I knew then it would be a long night for him. He did have Floyd badly hurt in the 2nd but tense and over-anxious blew his load that round and was gassed and frustrated the rest of the night. Was still surprised by how timid he was those into the late rounds, which I think you have to credit Floyd with for putting Mosley, a proven warrior, into a shell.

    After this fight I'm not completly sold on a Pacquao win as I was prior, but I do believe it's a very competitive fight as Manny has the angles, footspeed and punching power to be a tough opponent for Floyd's style. It's really the only fight I care about at 147 so let's make it happen.

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    Don't think we will ever see Pac vs Mayweather.

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    Manny will not fade. and when he hits Floyd, the follow-up storm will be a threat for ALL twelve rounds.

    Richardson guessed Floyd would come out more aggressively, but a 38 year shopworn Shane could not pull the trigger enough.

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    Im certain if Mayweather stands in the pocket against Pac.... hes going to come up short. He wont be the quicker man. He may be smoother, have a superb sense of timing Pac doesn't... but not enough to offset the raw speed, and power fired seamlessly with fluidity from those mind boggling angles. Add to this the way he maintains this onslaught with intensity throughout the fight. Floyd is a tremendous fighter, but neutralising Pac would give a little substance to his claims. Big ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbig1
    I agree 100%. Mosley can still beat most of the top ten. PBF too much for anyone.
    Why do we refuse to believe that Father Time retains the same power to sneak up on our fistic idols and mug 'em during the big fights nowadays as he had done throughout the sport's history? Sure, my head said "Mayweather", but my heart said "Mosley"; rarely does the heart get vindicated when it comes to a bloodsport such as boxing.

    The Mosley I saw tonight was willing, but simply was spent after trying to spend the first five rounds or so fighting "young".

    For those "Money" haters: relax. He'll be in the same boat as Mosley, at about the same age.

    Tonight, Shane did only marginally better (especially during early action) than Clottey did against Pac. Except for Pac, Clottey, Shane and a still-unproven Berto, today's 147-division ain't making anybody forget the 80's. Mayweather is going to have to move up/down to make some money and find some competition if a bout against Manny can't eventually be made. This provides sad opportunity for Shane to still be a player in a very diluted, shallow welterweight division, which would be a HUGE mistake, IMO.

    Another mediocre undercard...sigh...but I'm glad former Duva/Jersey product Said Ouali showed stones in climbing off the canvas to starch the built-up Saldivia. Shows his gritty performance against Aydin last year was no fluke. He's no world-beater, but does offer unpredictability, balls and heavy hands to go with his southpaw style.

    Nice job on the reportage, Cliff!

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    I hate it when I'm right.

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    I saw the fight in a room packed with people that know and love boxing.
    When Mayweather was warming up in the dressing room with a tremendous amount of padding allowed on his hands, working up a sweat, Shane was still getting is hands taped late, with a lot less padding on them.

    Then he does not warm up enough and walks to the ring without any sweat on him while PBF warmed up the right way. He did not have the look of a fierce competitor to me and for me the writing was on the wall.

    Mosley looked so small to me post PED use, that he looked like a little lightweight. He surprised me with the two great shots on Mayweather who almost went down and is lucky it was not Pac man bombing on him.

    Then Mosley went totally anemic and did nothing right for the rest of the night. The refereeing of Bayliss ALWAYS borders on the hysterical to me, his hand gestures are maddening to me and drove everyone crazy watching the fight as he hovers over the boxers, slapping at them, gesticulating wildly and breaking them so fast there was no such thing as infighting allowed at all.

    His almost borderline hysteria, tense scrutiny is so unrelaxed, that kind of interfering body language would drive any boxer insane after awhile.

    For $54.95 the undercards today are so pathetic I cannot figure it out ever, why stupendous undercards like the old days are not the norm.
    I know Mayweather used every trick in the book to duck Manny and fight guys like Marquez and Shane.

    To claim he is greater than Robinson and Ali and see such a boring fight again, is always amusing to the old war dogs who really remember how it was.

    He did the job to win, but he could not knock out a 40 year old man who did not have enough energy to even smile let alone throw a jab with power.

    He never fights anyone at their zenith he always waits and waits and like stated before cherry picks opponents. Boring and disappointing fight.

    Too bad Shane was more interested in touching gloves all the time to make nice, instead of blasting the living crap out of the guy with vicious fury.

    Are there no more WARRIORS out there who come to destroy?

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    shit, like what was stated here previously, I kind of wish that second round never happened, because it looked like it was only a matter of time before Shane landed again and put Mayweather to sleep, I've never seen Mayweather in that much trouble ever before, he was holding on for dear life,

    I noticed it right away, Mosley's facial expression, body language, eerything totally gone, it seems like he should have gotten more confidence from those blows but, no way,

    Mosley even prime Mosley might never have been able to win this one, Winky Wright, Vernon Forrest, good boxers able to adjust were puzzles for him as well, I felt sorry for Mosley most of the bout and wanted to leave and stop watching,

    Pacman, I have a feeling that Mayweather will make him look wild and sloppy, hopefully not,

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    anyone else bothered by bayless jumping in every 2 seconds. let them fight out of it for the luvapete. Mayweather knew mosely was done by round 3,you could see PBF smiling. Mayweather too big for pacman.

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    Props to Mayweather for taking the right hands that he did take in round 2 and for his quick recovery and cooly remaining on track from round 3 onwards.

    The right hands were big and even though he was rocked, Mayweather showed a pretty decent set of whiskers in not going down. Somewhat of a revelation.

    However, from Shane, that was literally all she wrote. SSM had little left in the tank thereafter and it was a quickly fatiguing guy, in the first instance, that PBF ultimately went on to dominate in the second instance.

    I noted the rule that a count would not be ceased at the close of ANY round. Did that rule include the 12th and final rd? If so, I hadn't heard of that rule being imposed before.

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    shit. just got home. i was going to follow cliffs call but wife wanted to go to the casino.... glad i did not buy it, came out ahead 600 at the tables. but still i am bummed.... dammit.

    greg

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    Agree with Ron and Phillyfan - Baylis was AWFUL and really made for an intrusive presence in this fight. How many times was he jumping around them up close, banging into them or coming within a milimeter of banging into them? Yelling & pulling them apart constantly before any infighting was allowed to take place? Terrible ref.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Lipton
    I saw the fight in a room packed with people that know and love boxing.
    When Mayweather was warming up in the dressing room with a tremendous amount of padding allowed on his hands, working up a sweat, Shane was still getting is hands taped late, with a lot less padding on them.

    Then he does not warm up enough and walks to the ring without any sweat on him while PBF warmed up the right way. He did not have the look of a fierce competitor to me and for me the writing was on the wall.

    Mosley looked so small to me post PED use, that he looked like a little lightweight. He surprised me with the two great shots on Mayweather who almost went down and is lucky it was not Pac man bombing on him.

    Then Mosley went totally anemic and did nothing right for the rest of the night. The refereeing of Bayliss ALWAYS borders on the hysterical to me, his hand gestures are maddening to me and drove everyone crazy watching the fight as he hovers over the boxers, slapping at them, gesticulating wildly and breaking them so fast there was no such thing as infighting allowed at all.

    His almost borderline hysteria, tense scrutiny is so unrelaxed, that kind of interfering body language would drive any boxer insane after awhile.

    For $54.95 the undercards today are so pathetic I cannot figure it out ever, why stupendous undercards like the old days are not the norm.
    I know Mayweather used every trick in the book to duck Manny and fight guys like Marquez and Shane.

    To claim he is greater than Robinson and Ali and see such a boring fight again, is always amusing to the old war dogs who really remember how it was.

    He did the job to win, but he could not knock out a 40 year old man who did not have enough energy to even smile let alone throw a jab with power.

    He never fights anyone at their zenith he always waits and waits and like stated before cherry picks opponents. Boring and disappointing fight.

    Too bad Shane was more interested in touching gloves all the time to make nice, instead of blasting the living crap out of the guy with vicious fury.

    Are there no more WARRIORS out there who come to destroy?
    Totally agree ... Floyd Mayweather is the greatest promoter this sport has seen since Ali . Aided by the 24/7 realty show with his cast of characters and his fancy pad hitting we forget that he is really at best a poor man's Pernell Whitaker inside the ring. Except unlike Whitaker who fought the best in every division, Floyd fights the most brilliantly handpicked selection of opponents imaginable and gets credit for excellence. It is absurd.

    De La Hoya was faded and a part time fighter and lost a razor thin decision.

    Hatton was a very good, not great fighter with a vulnerable chin. Uo to the KO loss Hatton gave him in my opinion his best fight.

    Marquez was a blown up 36 year old.

    Mosley was a 38 year old coming off 18 months of inactivity ...

    Total horse shit list of opponents.

    I wake up this morning to read article after article proclaiming Mayweather's greatness, now proven by defeating Mosley. like this http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/stor...-Mosley-050110 Again, absurd.

    I doubt the fight with Paq will come off, now more than ever. Mayweather has managed to avoid the best fighters during his entire run at welter while Paq has fought better men and looked great doing it ... The steroid issue will remain out there regarding Paq, perhaps justifiably and Floyd will get away without being tested and we will hear morons reporting about Mayweathers greatness and many will buy it ... there is no limit to some peoples need to be deceived.
    Last edited by HE Grant; 05-02-2010 at 08:28 AM.

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    Ron, I do not know if you have gone over this in your own thread but I have a question. I am fascinated by your ability to look at a fighter's body and determine their conditioning ... based on what you have seen do you see anything that indicates to you that Paq is on drug enhancers ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Lipton
    Too bad Shane was more interested in touching gloves all the time to make nice, instead of blasting the living crap out of the guy with vicious fury.
    I noticed that and found it odd too. Yet another anomaly from Shane last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10-8
    I noticed that and found it odd too. Yet another anomaly from Shane last night.
    No it wasn't. He's done that with everyone his whole career. Mayweather is the only one to hit him for doing it. I loved that Floyd popped him in the mouth then and when Mosley tried to have a discussion later in the fight about perceived fouling.

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