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Karl: That sounds like a cool DVD -- I'd love to see it but couldn't find it online -- would you mind dropping me an e-mail at ptomlinson@leelaw.com? I have a favour to ask...
Zevl: I see you're also from Toronto -- we should hook up to watch some boxing or shoot the sh*t one of these days over a beer -- drop me a line at that address above if that's something you'd like to do...
karl.
why do you do this? mando does not need your protection.
greg
I know Greg, and let me apologize to Mr. Baltazar as well.Originally Posted by gregbeyer
Mando is one of my best friends whom I call upon for advice from time to time, as he has seen and done it all.
Mando Ramos has never steered me in the wrong direction.
Mando and Sylvuia Ramos are always there for their friends 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
He was one of my boyhood heroes, and still is.
Again; I apologize to Mr. Baltazar and I spoke with Mando who told me is at 190 right now which is a long ways from the weight specified before.
Take care;
Karl
wow...190 is good.. mando was a very tall lightweight. sounds like he must be doing better in the weight department. hope this helps him get around a little better too.
greg
I've got to say, the bad back is the worst thing when it comes to weight gain -- my law partner and one of my Irish friends -- skinny guys until their backs went out, then they put on the weight... then it's like a vicious circle...
On a (hopefully) lighter note, the second worst thing for weight gain is marriage -- I put on 50 pounds! I was a lightweight and now a cruiser... and I do all the cooking! WTF!
Peter
I don't want to sound like a dick here but you didn't put on weight because of marriage, you did because you're getting old, and good luck with the cooking when you get ready to make some tacos let me know and I'll have my wife give you some advice.
Frank
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!
OK, that makes more sense Mr. B -- and I am going to take you up on that offer -- you know my e-mail address -- please send me a taco recipe and I will make it this weekend! Actually, I would really look forward to that, although I have the feeling it won't help me with my weight, but if you're going to put it on anyways, may as well be from eating something good!
Mando Ramos-Chango Carmona
Last edited by Zevl; 08-27-2006 at 11:26 PM.
Great pics of a great fighter, thanks!
Great pics of a great fighter, thanks!
man thats a great shot. those guys gave it their all that nite. this was don chargins favorite fight.
greg
I'm wondering how the Chamo is doing these days with his bad back. Does anyone have an e-mail address for him?
-Peter
The RING TRIVIA Answers For October 2007MANDO RAMOS: The Youngest Lightweight Champion
By David Martinez / Boxing Historian
I first met Armando (Mando) Ramos in the fall of 1969, when I drove
to Santa Monica to watch him train at the Surf Rider Hotel in his
preparation to defend his Lightweight title against Yoshiaki Numata.
What I saw was, not a fighter in serious training. Earlier that year
Ramos won the Lightweight Championship via knockout over Teo Cruz, to
become the youngest to win the Lightweight title at the age of 20 years
old.
But, to my surprise, I found trainer Jackie McCoy completely
frustrated with Mando and his lack of concentration in the gym. He
verbally chastised Mando and scowled at him for his poor training
practices. That was my initial contact with Mando Ramos, which was like
a teacher bawling out a student.
Mando Ramos, a personal friend of mine, was an alcoholic at the age
of 13, made the drug scene at the age of 15, and was a boxing idol by
the age of 18 years old. His father, Ray, a former fighter,
was instrumental in starting Mando’s boxing career, working with older
son Manuel and also with Mando at an early age. Mando was 5 years
old fighting in the junior Golden Gloves.
In November, 1965, when Mando was only 17 years old, he had his
first professional fight. He was a kid with so much natural ability that
he became an instant success, winning his first 17 fights, 11 by
knockout, and was packing large SRO capacity crowds into the Los Angeles,
California, Olympic Auditorium.
He would become LA’s darling, and literally take boxing in L.A. to
newer heights, not seen since the Golden Days of Art Aragon and Enrique
Balonos. Danny Lopez and Bobby Chacon would come later.
In 1968, Mando would lose to Teo Cruz in his first bid for the
championship. But the following year in a rematch, he would win the
title from Cruz and go on to defend it once, in a spectacular knockout
over Numata, before losing to Ismael Laguna in 1970.
Mando Ramos: 1968 Photo
After huge wins over Sugar Ramos, Raul Rojas, and Ruben Navarro, on
November 5, 1971, Mando would travel to Madrid, Spain only to lose
another championship bid by disqualification to Pedro Carrasco – a
fighter who had a most impressive ring record of only one loss in 106
bouts prior to that fight. In the rematch in L.A. just three months
later in February 1972, Mando would win back the Lightweight title over
Carrasco. He would successfully defend it back in Spain in June 1972
with Carrasco, in their final fight of the trilogy. Mando then lost in
September of that same year, 1972, in the most dismal performance of his
career, by a knockout in eight rounds, to Chango Carmona.
I personally attended the fight against Carmona and it was a
complete turn-a-bout in what I witnessed when I attended the Numata
fight just three years earlier – one would not believe that you were
watching the same fighter.
Fight Program (vs Carmona) Sept. 15, 1972
On a personal note … the night of the Numata fight, probably one of
the most exciting boxing cards that I had seen in my younger days … I
attended with my late father, and my closest friends. In those days the
under card was always loaded with a bouts of main event quality. That
night was the highly anticipated “rubber match” between Ernie “Indian
Red” Lopez and Hedgemon Lewis, plus the American debut of the knockout
sensation from Mexico, Rodolfo Martinez, who came into his fight
unbeaten with a 21-0-1 ring record with 21 KO’s!
But it was Mando Ramos who was the attraction that night with a
spectacular performance of savage body punches to knockout Numata in
eight rounds.
How great Mando could have been had not drugs and alcohol played a
huge part in his life. This writer believes he would have been one of
the elite Lightweights of our generation.
Mando officially retired from the ring in 1975.
At a recent boxing event, The Gathering of Angels / Golden State
Boxers Association on August 12, 2007, Mando was honored along with
family and friends, as he received the Nat Fleischer Ring Magazine 1969
Championship Belt.
Here is a picture of Mando with his family on that night.
The picture was taken by my friend Ray Luna:
Mando is a friend of mine and you wouldnt want to meet a better guy. I think the world of him and I hope hes doing great.
If anyone is interested, there are two beautiful Mando Ramos programs on sale on e-bay (I'm not the seller so not blowing my own horn):
Cruz v. Ramos II http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=003
and
Ramos v. Numata http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=003
The Numata one is the better deal -- at least for now -- I paid $100 + for it a few months ago! LOL!
-Peter
I just spoke with him Saturday Rocky, and he was in high spirits as he and Sylvia had just returned from Mexico.
I sent him the Juan Diaz KO over Julio Diaz tape as he missed the fight while over there, and he calls Juan a terrific fighter and tough SOB.
Karl
thanks fellas for the updates on Mando. Wish him the best and im glad he felt well enough to go to mexico as he always does on vacations with his wife. Thats a good sign.
LtoR
Lance Dickinson, Rick Farris, Mando Ramos & Greg Patterson.
Photo by Dawn Paradis at the WBHOF, October, 2007
Mando Ramos
"Mando"
By Roger Esty
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