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Thread: FULLMER-PARET BEAT DOWN ON ESPN CLASSIC ON THURSDAY!

  1. #31
    jyoungfan2
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    Ali

    If you consider Ali the greatest, thats how he won many of his fights. Unless grabbing behind the head is legal. the refs didn't warn him so he continued to do it.

    Thats how klitschko beat samuel peter. i thought a warning should be given for excessive holding, but the ref allowed it, klit continued to do it and won the fight.

  2. #32
    Roberto Aqui
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    Dirty is....

    [[[If you consider Ali the greatest, thats how he won many of his fights. Unless grabbing behind the head is legal. the refs didn't warn him so he continued to do it.

    Thats how klitschko beat samuel peter. i thought a warning should be given for excessive holding, but the ref allowed it, klit continued to do it and won the fight.]]]
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    Fortunately I don't consider Ali the greatest, however grabbing behind the head is considered a legit defensive move. Excessive holding though is against the written rules and Ali often held excessively, though nothing like Ruiz. The rules will always subjective to any given ref.

    In the Peter fight, Wlad significantly landed many more clean punches on Peter and was having to deal with a much dirtier and more dangerous fighter as Peter lands lots of rabbit punches, and at one point pulled Wlad's head down forcing a knee and hit him behind the head which was wrongly ruled a KD by the ref.

    Every fighter ideally should start off a bout with a certain number of minor indiscretions held in reserve. However, many fighters will overdraw their account and have reputations of being exclusively dirty fighters and I guess Fulmer falls in that category. I'm a little mystified by the "his own ref" comments. Was this Morman out of Utah so well connected that his promoter gave him his own ref who traveled with him?

  3. #33
    Kid Azteca
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    Brawling

    Professional Boxing has brawlers.

    Fullmer was no different than Duran, Gomez, Zivic, Petrolle, Marciano, Qwai, Pryor, etc.

    Maybe fighters like Fullmer should be DQ'd in the Amateurs and the Olympics, but in Professional Prize Fighting it's common place.

    This isn't Baseball, and taking steroids is different than throwing some elbows, grabbing, or an occasional head butt.

    It may be hard to appreciate Fullmer's style of brawling or grappling, but it worked for him.

  4. #34
    bodyblow
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    ?

    I guess I shouldnt be so upset the next time Sammy Sosa gets caught with a corked bat :rolleyes

  5. #35
    rocky111
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    check it out

    Im glad Classic showed this fight. THIS is what Marvin Hagler was supposed to do to Duran and Leonard. The bigger guy should impose his will. Monzon and Napoles is a case in point also. Fullmer did it to Basilio also. Thats why I can never rate Marvin with a handfull of middleweight greats who have the strength of the superhuman. Kid Paret was a fine champ and a real good fighter, but he just didnt have the strength to beat a middle like Gene. People should think about these things when they talk about who might beat whom. It counts much of the time.

  6. #36
    bodyblow
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    ?

    Fullmer didnt impose his will on Basilio. That was and is the major drawback to both of their fights. Fullmer just stayed outside and boxed Basilio in that ugly herky jerky style that Don would later utilize almost exclusively. The two Fullmer-Basilio fights are probably his most boring fights on film. He freely admitted that he didnt want to engage Basilio in a shootout and was booed for not making a fight of it.

  7. #37
    mike21
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    reply

    to me fullmer may rate in the top ten- however- dick tiger took care of him- why- was fullmer a shot fighterand or was tiger that good? any feedback appreciated. fullmer would destroy any chump today the middleweight jeffries. thanks

  8. #38
    wolgast
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    Re: reply

    dick tiger was lucky to get a drw in the second fight of his three-fight series with fullmer.

  9. #39
    bodyblow
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    fullmer-tiger 2

    Fullmer was lucky to get the draw. The fight was held in his neck of the woods, it wasnt held anywhere Tiger was popular. Fullmer ran the entire time and refused to stand and fight. When he did in the first and third fights he got his butt whipped.

  10. #40
    PeteLeo
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    Re: Dirty is....

    I thought that holding behind the head was always considered a foul, the first time you did it as well as the sixtieth. PeteLeo.

  11. #41
    rocky111
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    true but.....

    Fullmer stopped Carmen twice. Thats imposing your will. We all know how tough Carmen was and Gene did what he had to do.
    By the way, I thought Fullmer won that second fight with Tiger also. Tiger could be outboxed because he thought IMO that it was beneath to chase a guy.

  12. #42
    bodyblow
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    re

    The ref stopped Carmen twice. Its obvious from reading some of the posts here that the people using these fights to bolster Fullmers cred. havent seen either fight.

  13. #43
    TheSentinel
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    Tiger-Fullmer

    Fullmer gave full credit to Tiger for lambasting him- particulary in their 3rd fight. Gene made no excuses whatsoever in the 3rd fight. He was decisively beaten by the better man.

  14. #44
    jyoungfan2
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    Re: fullmer-robinson

    I saw fullmer /robinson IV tonight. fullmer must have hit robinson behind the head at least 50 times during the fight. Every time they were in a clinch, fullmer would land 2 or 3 untill robinson had no choice but to retalliate. No warning from the ref so fullmer continued to do it. During the klitschko/peter fight, lampley was going on and on about peter hitting klitschko behind the head. Big difference between the 2 fights. it looked like fullmer intentionally aimed behind robinsons head while peter was just swinging wildly at any available target.

  15. #45
    greek1237
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    Re: fullmer-robinson

    Come on, you guys get on to Fullmer about rabbit punchs, and yet say, you know what?? Jack Dempsey hit Tunney in the back of the head about 50 times lol.

    Yes Dempsey was the master of the rabbit punch, and no one blames Dempsey for that tactic. But they pick on Fullmer for it??

    Or how about Marciano with his rabbit and headbutts on Ezzard Charles??

    Or Joe Louis's kidney shots vs Schmling in fight 2(And low blows in fight one)

  16. #46
    SigniferSanctusMichael
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    Basilio

    I've seen Fullmer-Basilio I and it was clear to me that Basilio was not only outboxed but outgunned. He was getting badly hurt when they stopped the fight, though he may well have survived the round. I haven't seen the rematch, though - can anyone who has give us a description?

  17. #47
    The ORIGINAL Irish JQ
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    Re: Basilio

    In the rematch, Basilio wasn't hurt or anything. The referee just stepped in and stopped the bout, which prompted Basilio to scream at him "What the hell are you doing?"

    Security had to hold Carmen back to keep him from going after the referee.

  18. #48
    bodyblow
    Guest

    Basilio-Fullmer 2

    Exactly irish. The second fight was as boring as the first with Fullmer reluctant to fight and Basilio to small to box with Fullmer. Late in the fight the ref steps in and stops the fight for literally no reason at all. Basilio hadnt taken beating, wasnt in trouble, nothing. The fight wasnt intense, there was no reason to stop the fight. Basilio went after the ref with his cocked fist and his cornermen pulled him away. State troopers swarmed the ring and held Basilio back and then his cornermen started arguing with the ref which prompted the state troopers to push them back. It was a joke. You couldnt beat Fullmer out west. If you were fighting Fullmer anywhere from the rockys to the Pacific then you could guarentee the best you could get was a draw. Dick Tiger had to beat him like a drum to get a decision as far west as SF. Giardello, Webb, Tiger, and Robinson were all robbed in Fullmers backyard and Basilio has two stoppages that probably would have been loses anyway but shouldnt have been TKO losses.

  19. #49
    wolgast
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    fullmer and the judges

    seems to me fullmer got the decison against robinson in 1957 in the garden. i don't think those were fullmer judges.

  20. #50
    Tom Smario
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    Re: fullmer and the judges

    I find it difficult to sit here and read this boards comments about Fullmer being a dirty fighter. For all of you Ali lovers who spent so much time slobbering over his fantastic skills, which they were, he was allowed to foul more than Fuller dreamed of. Ali held every fighter he ever fought behind the head the entire fight and no referee ever really got on his ass for it. He was royality therefore allowed to bend the rules. Fuller was a crude strong guy who was not "pretty" therefore it looked worse than it was. If yr. gonna dig on Fuller, then do the same to the rest of the dirty fighters. Holmes educated thumbs were things legends are made as were many others. I have to agree with The Bucket, this guy was totally underrated. When Marciano threw those elbows, nobody got goose bumps. Hopkin's head has knocked out more than a few poor souls who never got the benefit of a referee. I could go and on but it wouldnt do any good. You see what it is you want to see. There is a hell of a difference between a rough fighter and a dirty fighter. Pedrosa was a dirty fighter, but Fullmer was rough fighter. Not everybody can dance.

  21. #51
    bodyblow
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    dirty

    Dirty is dirty and Fullmer was dirty.

    As for whoever made the comment about Fullmer-Robinson 1: Nobody is saying Fullmer couldnt win a fair fight. What Im saying is if you fought out west with him you could be damn sure you better beat him silly to get a draw. His fights with Robinson should be split down the middle not 2-1-1.

  22. #52
    jyoungfan2
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    dirty

    What? someone else posting that Ali fought dirty? Glad to see I'm not the only one.
    Fullmer fought dirty vs robinson. On the other hand, i saw fullmer/basilio last night and fullmer looked awsome without clutching or rabbit punching.

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