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    Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Shane Mosley States His Case for a Manny Pacquiao Bout

    Tue 14-Dec-2010 12:27

    By Gabriel Montoya

    Since the moment it was announced that Manny Pacquiao had taken a shutout win over Antonio Margarito last month, the burning question has been “If it isn’t Mayweather, then who is next?” Pacquiao’s promoter, Top Rank, has already set aside April 16 for Pacquiao to face someone in Las Vegas at the MGM Grand. For a moment, it appeared WBC titleholder Andre Berto was in line for the bout but that notion was quickly dispelled. Then, Golden Boy Promotions ran up the flag for Juan Manuel Marquez, who presented Top Rank with an official offer, which has been met with some derision from members of Pacquiao’s camp. While all this has been going on, Golden Boy Promotions partner and fighter, “Sugar” Shane Mosley, the man who beat Antonio Margarito (when he was on top of the welterweight world but looked pedestrian and past it in two back-to-back matches with first Floyd Mayweather in May, then Sergio Mora in September), quietly made a move to insure that it was he who was linked with Pacquiao.

    In a move that surprised everyone, Mosley retained the adviser services of one James Prince, who once managed Floyd Mayweather and who currently works with Andre Ward, in a managerial capacity. The move caused an uproar within Golden Boy, who expressed outrage at the move by Mosley, who claimed he hadn’t had a contract exclusive to Golden Boy in two years.

    I spoke with Mosley last week on Thursday’s episode of Leave-it-in-the-ring.com radio show along with my co-host David Duenez. While we were asked by Mosley’s publicist not to get into the recent dropping of Mosley’s lawsuit against Victor Conte, as well as delve too far into Mosley’s dealings with Golden Boy, he did explain his feelings on a Pacquiao fight, among other subjects.

    In recent years, Top Rank and Golden Boy have been at odds. It had first begun when Golden Boy had tried to sign Pacquiao after his third fight with Erik Morales. But the “cold war” has extended beyond the settlement in that case, where each side would share of a percentage of Manny revenue, depending on who he was fighting. The cold war would go nuclear when negotiations for a Pacquiao/Mayweather fight fell apart, not once but twice. It was in this climate, and with Golden Boy once again pushing another fighter over Mosley for the shot at one of the top two draws in the sport, that Mosley decided to make his play.

    “James Prince is my adviser,” Mosley answered, when asked to explain the hire, as well as the status of the Pacquiao negotiations. “Initially, I brought him in because I knew at the time Golden Boy couldn’t negotiate a fight with Top Rank. [Golden Boy CEO] Richard Schaefer couldn’t negotiate a fight with Top Rank. My attorney Judd Bernstein couldn’t negotiate a fight with Bob Arum. So I had to step outside the box. So I hired James Prince and we went in there to negotiate for the fight with Pacquiao and it looks like it’s going to be successful. I’m excited. I’m happy and I guess I made the right move.”

    There are two schools of thought in this. One camp feels Mosley is past it and won’t be competitive with Pacquiao based on the way Mosley performed against Mayweather and Mora. Unsure and with intermittent offense, Mosley looked every bit his 39 years. Mosley feels that the performances were only indicative of the styles he was facing.

    “Pacquiao is the type of fighter that loves to fight and I love to rumble as well,” said Mosley. “Mayweather is a defensive fighter. Mora is a defensive fighter as well and moves around the ring. Not to mention he is a lot bigger than me. I didn’t realize how much bigger he is than me until I got to the weigh-in. With Floyd and Mora, both defensive fighters, these guys are hard to hit and I was able to hit [Floyd] a few times and hurt him. That’s a testament to my power.”

    Then there is another school of thought that thinks Pacquiao is the right style to bring out whatever offense and greatness Mosley has left.

    Guess which school Shane attends.

    “Pacquiao is a fighter, so he gives me a lot of opportunities to hit him. So it should be very interesting,” said a confident Mosley. “I am going to train hard and get ready for the fight. I am just excited that I am being considered. It’s pretty much a done deal that I will be fighting Pacquiao.”

    Before Pacquiao fought Cotto last year, Mosley was in the running to face the “Pac-Man.” But at the time, Pacquiao had not fought a full-fledged welterweight who was prime and dangerous. He’d fought the ghost of Oscar De La Hoya at 147 and knocked Ricky Hatton into retirement. But a fast welterweight with power as well? Not quite. So Mosley made it known that he wanted the fight. Pacquiao’s team responded with catchweight demands that ultimately went nowhere. Mosley explained why he feels that Team Pacquiao has changed their mind just a few fights later.

    “They wanted me to come down to 145 first,” said Mosley of the initial offer from Team Pacquiao. “Then they said 143. I think it was a ploy to get Cotto down to 143. [Cotto] was having trouble making weight. Then I said ‘You know what? I’ll make it easy. We’ll fight at 140 for that title.’ After that, they signed to fight Cotto” he explained with a laugh.

    “I think the change in tune is that they now know Pacquiao is a full-fledged 147 pounder,” continued Mosley. “Before, it was questionable. He was fighting 141, 142; he probably could have went down to 135, 137, 138. He was smaller. Now he is a full-fledged 147-pounder, so they think, ‘OK, now he can get in there with Shane.’ Well, now he has been in with Margarito, Cotto and [Clottey], so now they know he can fight these 147 or 150-pounders. They think he can fight competitively and win.”

    Besides Berto and Marquez, there really is no name that can bring Pacquiao big-name value while making a fight he can win. A bout with middleweight champ Sergio Martinez is all risk with the only reward being winning a very tough battle for a linear belt. Monetarily, Martinez brings little to the table. So does Berto. However, Marquez does have name value. But to Mosley, that fight is no longer competitive. In his eyes, there really is only one choice for Manny.

    “They know it’s a big fight. There are no other names out there besides Floyd Mayweather,” explained Mosley. “He’s not going to fight Berto. Maybe Juan Manuel Marquez but I think those days with [Pacquiao vs.] Marquez are done. I think Golden Boy is just mad that I got it done.”

    To Mosley, the Marquez fight is not competitive, not because Marquez has lost so much but because Pacquiao has shown himself able to move up in weight while being competitive with men outweighing him as much as 17 pounds, while Marquez seems to have hit a ceiling at 135 pounds, evidenced by his bout with Floyd Mayweather last year at welterweight.

    “Marquez can’t take that weight,” said Mosley. “Manny Pacquiao holds the weight better. Some people hold the weight better than others. When Marquez fought [Floyd], he landed 69 punches in the whole fight. Styles make fights. Marquez had a pretty good outing with Manny when they were 130 pounds. But Pacquiao is no longer 130 pounds. He is 147-154 now.”

    There are those who say Manny Pacquiao is a cherry-picker. That he takes only the fights he is certain to win, doing it only with fighters coming off losses or showing their ring wear. Many feel this is how he has pulled off the feat of fighting effectively in eight weight classes. To Mosley, a big reason for the success is that Pacquiao has grown as a fighter.

    “I think there are certain things that Freddie Roach has taught him that have given Manny some variety in his fighting style,” said Mosley. “I give Freddie credit for that and Manny for learning. I think he has gotten better.”

    At 39 years old, Mosley still has quickness but it’s more of the one-shot variety, as opposed to the combination puncher he was so long ago. He’s never been a big mover of his head, instead relying on his feet to get him in and out of range and trouble. So how do you deal with a guy like Pacquiao, who is a whirling dervish firing from all angles?

    “It’s not just the head movement. It’s the positioning. Fighting southpaws is different,” said Mosley. “Sometimes you move your head and look kind of confused the way the punches are coming. You have to know which way to move or you can walk into a shot. Manny is tough fighter. He comes to fight as a warrior. He comes to give 100%. That’s what we love in fighters. I come to give 100%. I think with me and Manny, you have two guys who are explosive and who can knock you out with one punch. It’s definitely going to be a great fight.”

    For Mosley, this fight doesn’t just come down to styles but mentalities. While his last two opponents were defensive-minded, Manny is an offensive-minded fighter and that just might play to some of Mosley’s strengths.

    “Manny Pacquiao and I are pretty much alike,” Mosley explained. “He may throw more punches than me but we have the same mentality. That’s what is going to make a great fight. He likes to fight. I like to fight. He’ll fight anybody. I’ll fight anybody. It’s the perfect match.”

    Mosley also explained that his losses, the ones he counts, were against larger men. Against smaller or equal-sized men, he has always been competitive, with the exception of Mayweather, who is generally the exception for everyone who faces him.

    “Some of the boxing fans don’t understand why this is going to be a good fight,” said Mosley, “but this isn’t me against a guy bigger than me, 6’1” moving around the ring. With the exception of Mayweather, I don’t consider the fight with Cotto a loss; I have only lost to guys bigger than me. Mora was bigger than me; Winky Wright fought at 168; all the guys who have beaten and made me look whatever have been bigger than me. Guys that are my size, I usually have a good fight with me.”

    Evander Holyfield is approaching 50 with dreams (or delusions) of unifying the heavyweight title one last time and then calling it quits. Mosley is not there yet but the danger of a near-40-year-old fighter hanging on too long are all too real. Manny Pacquiao hasn’t just beaten his last few opponents. He has altered them forever and sent both Hatton and De La Hoya into retirement. Still, Mosley feels that he has enough to win and that he will know when enough is enough.

    “Me being of this age, I don’t know if it’s time to stop or not,” said Mosley, who happened to be in Houston and getting some work in at Savannah’s Gym, where Ronnie Shields trains a number of talented fighters. “If I say we can go with it, then we will stop. If things aren’t right or I’m not seeing right or things are blurry for a whole long round and I am not punching like I am supposed to, then there will be a stoppage. But I’ve never been stopped. I’ve been knocked down. I’ve been knocked down pretty good in the second round [versus the late Vernon Forrest in their first fight] but I know how to stick and move. I’m still feeling good. I still am feeling good with anyone who gets in the ring with me. As a matter of fact, I was in the gym with the guy who Margarito last fought recently. I’ll be sparring Lara tomorrow. I spar anyone. And Freddie knows that I work with anyone wherever I go.”

    Mosley has done it all in the sport. He’s a multiple world champion who beat Oscar twice (in his prime and near it) and then beat Margarito at an age when no one thought he could. To Mosley, ending on a note like beating Manny Pacquiao would be a huge accomplishment that might top them all.

    “To go out and be victorious in that fight would be amazing. It would be just as amazing as the first time I beat Oscar and when I beat Margarito,” Mosley said. “It would be phenomenal. I can’t wait. I am excited to get an opportunity to jump in the ring with Manny Pacquiao and give the world all I got. Because of the doubt people have of me and because of how extremely good Manny Pacquiao has been in all his fights and the way he wins, beating Manny Pacquiao would be one of the biggest feathers in my cap.”

    What keeps a fighter going after all these years? Shane has been boxing all his life, going to war in the ring and the gym for three decades now. How and why does he keep going? And why does he love it so much after all these years? Why is this great fighter still a guy who will go in a random gym and get sparring in with anyone?

    “I think it’s the competition,” said Mosley. “It’s my competitive nature. I’ve always had that since I was kid. I’ve been boxing now for 30 years and I think it’s just me being competitive and beating the best guy out there. Just challenging myself.”

    Beyond the love of combat though, lies another reason.

    “I think I do my best when people doubt me,” explained Mosley. “He can’t do this or do that or whatever. I have always been doubted from day one. When I first turned professional, people would say, ‘Oh well, he’s a boxer.’ So I made sure I knocked everyone out. Then when I got the title, I made sure I knocked out all my defenses so people would know I am there. Then they said I couldn’t beat Oscar, so I made sure to beat him. Then they said, ‘Oh, Margarito is going to retire.’ I wasn’t really expecting to knock him out. l was expecting to beat him so bad that people were like, ‘WOW!’ So now, they say, ‘Oh, he can’t beat Pacquiao. Pacquiao is going to throw a lot of punches. He’s going to throw flurries and all that. You know what? Thank you. Thank you. Just thank you.”

    Criticism or not, Mosley feels he is the guy who will be named later when it comes time to announce who will Pacquiao face on April 16. One more time for Shane to prove them all wrong and show the doubters he still has it, if only for one more night.

    “I might be the Larry Holmes of this era,” Mosley said, comparing himself to the great heavyweight champion who had the misfortune of following Muhammad Ali’s historic run. “Oscar was Ali, if you will. I am always trying to overcome, to say, ‘No. I’m still here. I’m not going nowhere. I am almost 40 years old. I have been fighting for 30 years. And I am still here.”

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Shane Mosley is completely delusional & is going to end up walking on his heels.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Gotta go with the illustrious GorDoom on this one. Prime to prime at welterweight I'd go with Mosley. Now? Just a methodical beatdown.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    It's insulting to fans if he really thinks he can sell people on this fight.

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    If Shane

    wants to be delusional about this, well I am ok with that because everyone can simply ignore him.

    Fighters are like that.

    But if Arum decides to proceed forward with this and it will NOT surprise me if he does, if for no other reason than to stick it to Golden Boy promotions, then THAT is where our disgust, contempt and anger should be directed towards.

    And Sorry Manny, you may be my favorite fighter in the game today, but you are going to get equal venom from me, should you go this route.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Manny if he's clever will take this easy fight. Can't blame Manny.

    He has little to prove, always fought the best out there. So, needs a wee break, an easy fight, plenty money, go for it. I will give him a pass on this one

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gunter
    Gotta go with the illustrious GorDoom on this one. Prime to prime at welterweight I'd go with Mosley. Now? Just a methodical beatdown.
    Great match, but no, I would still take Manny. More complete than Shane in every way.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    It's hard to criticize Shane, he has been such a warrior, and would fight anybody, however it is scary to me because I think he actually believes himself.
    Hopefully this isn't related to a costly divorce, and a more plausible and marketable opponent emerges, who poses a threat for a whole fight.

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    On the Heels

    of Clottey and Margarito, Pacquiao needs a "Break"?

    Holy shot.

    I'm sorry but I think it's high time he steps it up a bit.

    Absolutely it is not his fault that Mayweather will not get within the same timezone as Manny, but there ARE legitimate challenges out there that indeed are in order to be taken.

    Juan Manuel Marquez, while I think he is much further past it than many are willing to concede, and I think Manny will win with plenty of room to spare, but he DESERVES another shot at Manny. This bout is the First fight that should be on Manny's plate with Mayweather having taken himself out of the picture. And at 140 as well.

    I think Sergio Martinez is bout #2 that should be considered. Maybe it is a step too far for Manny, but it is a legitimate challenge that, should Manny take it, it won't have the asterick (*) that so many of Manny's bouts have had associated with them recently. Unless catchweights are stipulated yet again. But given Martinez is more a Nat Jr. Middle, as long as it is between 154 and 160, THAT Asterick, would not be too big a deal for me personally.

    Beyond that, and bouts that I would favor Manny in all of them, would be in order: Andre Berto and then Timothy Bradley or Devon Alexander (although one will be eliminated from the discussion in Late Jan).

    There is no reason to entertain bouts with damaged goods fighters such as Mosley and the previously dominated Miguel Cotto.

    Sad thing is though, THOSE two are probably the top candidates on Arum and Manny's plate.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    The highlighted quotes say it all.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    But who can he step it up against? JMM would IMO be as brutal a slaying as Mosley, probably more so, because JMM is smaller and less of a hitter than Shane. As old and also past his best by a few years.

    Martinez is a middle....

    Berto would be a match that could be quite interesting

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    I think

    JMM will get beat convincingly as well.

    But he has EARNED the right for this third bout.

    He is DESERVING of the fight.

    Mosley is not.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Honestly, there is no one else for him to fight.

    Martinez..OK, sure he is a middleweight champion and we want to see if Pacquaio can do him like he has done everyone else.

    Marquez.. I am not paying for a fight that I have seen twice. Marquez gave his best twice and lost to a lesser Pacquaio.

    Berto..Why? What has he done to even have a name? But, fine...let him get a good beating a retire.

    Mosley..NO!

    Mayweather...Whatever.

    Pacquaio should be crowned King of Boxing and the sport should retire for a few years.
    Last edited by JLP 6; 12-14-2010 at 03:46 PM.

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    Well

    I wouldn't pay for ANY fight, regardless if I wanted to see it or not.

    That said, if Manny Marquez III is signed tomorrow, and even though I do beleive Manny will win the rubbermatch, My ass is PARKED solidly in front of my computer and my eyes are Glued to the screen when the first bell rings.

    Even a "past it" Marquez, is probably THE most talented fighter Manny will have stepped into the ring with since..................the 2nd Marquez bout.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Guys, c'mon, Floyd-Manny is one hell of an event if it happens soon.

    I would pay over the odds for that one. I think the clash of styles makes
    for one hell of an interesting bout. Manny, so fast, aggressive and fit vs. Floyd, so cute, slick and neat. It's a dream fight.

    What has JMM done to deserve a fight with Manny? Lost convincingly to Floyd, lost twice to Manny already, beats Katsidis? If that is deserving, then boxing is in dire straits. Plus, at 147 I see Pacman brutalising the guy. At least with Floyd you may
    get a 50-50 affair

    Mosely ain't deserving either by the way. The guy should be retired.
    However, I would argue that Shane is at least as deserving as JMM.

    It shouldn't be about name recognition. It should be about who is
    the most talented fighter at 147 to compete with Manny. Now, Berto
    is most likely a stiffer test than any bar Floyd.
    Last edited by walshb; 12-14-2010 at 06:06 PM.

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    Wouldn't

    pay a DIME to watch Mayweather do anything.

    But IF that bout happened, I would watch it.

    What has JMM done to deserve a 3rd bout with Manny?

    Well although I thought Manny won two extremely competitive bouts when the two DID fight, there a several people, many who post on this very site, who beleive JMM deserved to be the victor in BOTH fights.

    Regardless on who thinks who won what bouts, it is obvious that there is NO clear Superior fighter in this series.

    A third fight is definitely in order.

    ANd even though I think Manny wins decisively in the third go round, one thing is a CERTAINTY, Manny JMM III will be infinitely more entertaining than ANY Mayweather bout ever will be.

    THis thread is about Manny and Mosley.

    I think THAT matchup is a pathetic Joke considering how awful Shane looked in his last bout. (This coming from someone who said over a year ago, following Mosley's win over AM, that Manny Mosley would be a very entertaining fight. That IMO is no longer the case).

    Manny and JMM is THE fight I want to see happen right now.

    IMO it SHOULD happen and JMM DESERVES to get this fight.

    Becuase of the issues with Golden Boy and Arum, we probably don't get it and are instead offered up a dog shit bout.

    But Manny JMM SHOULD be THE bout on the horizon for early next year.

    Damn Shame if it never comes off.

    Hawk

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Agreed with what hawk said from top to bottom.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Mosley?

    Oh, please no.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Martinez would knock Pacman into the 90"s. That is too much for him to handle. Mosley should be a easy fight, but he does still hit hard, and still can land some punches. If one lands ...hmmmm.

    Manny, should give a all out offer for Mayweather, if he does not stop hiding, then fight maybe one or two more, and call it a day.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Mosely has been slow on the trigger against quicker men for a fair few years now. This is trouble for him. Destined to end up like Oscar did in this one.

    I don't think he should chase Mayweather. Truly isn't worth the circus act. Mayweather doesn't want to fight.

    I personally think he should hangem up. His style and finely honed skills are moulded around his immense athleticism and conditioning. Relative to the style he employs i'd say he's at the tail end of his peak abilities. His attention has increasingly been divided between politics and training also.

    If he does fight i'd like to see him fight JMM. I didn't have him losing either fight but i can certainly see how they are considered questionable and close. I think at this point in their careers Pacquaio will win definatively and end the matter.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    I think Hawk summed up all my thoughts on this thread.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Call me crazy. Yes Mosley is washed up. He is also a very good fighter even now. Wasn't it just two years ago he was in the top ten p4p. If even a good Mosley shows up I can see trouble for Manny. Not saying Mosley will win. I am saying I can see Manny getting caught with some good counter shots.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Not much more to be said than history has proven over and over again that if you are slow on the trigger, you are just plain meat to Manny.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Mosley would be a match that is a boxing waste of time with no real market value or interest to me as Mosley is on the downslide and is jaded and beating him would have no real luster to it, losing to him would be worse.

    Intelligent matchmaking is the key now for Manny, it has to be adhered to for posterity.

    Because Marquez keeps saying I beat Pacquiao twice, I would like to see that fight, along with Bradley, Berto, and of course PBF.

    Martinez would be a foolhardy match for a hall of fame winner like Manny and his people should stay clear of that. It is not just size it is size with youth, vigor, power and speed with AM did not have.

    I would not like to see Manny matched with either Klit also. Just exciting matches that would serve to further his legacy.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Quote Originally Posted by mrbig1
    Call me crazy. Yes Mosley is washed up. He is also a very good fighter even now. Wasn't it just two years ago he was in the top ten p4p. If even a good Mosley shows up I can see trouble for Manny. Not saying Mosley will win. I am saying I can see Manny getting caught with some good counter shots.
    Getting schooled by Mayweather and drawing with Mora doesn't make you a very good fighter in my book. A fight with Mosley is a waste.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Quote Originally Posted by walshb
    Great match, but no, I would still take Manny. More complete than Shane in every way.
    How soon we forget.

    A couple of years ago, an already past-it Shane Mosley knocked out a less-damaged version of Margarito than Pacquiao faced. Margarito landed on the supposedly more mobile Pacquiao far more times (on a round-per-round basis) than he landed on Mosley. Pacquiao-Margarito was a lot more exciting than Mosley-Margarito because it was a lot closer fight. Mosley stood pretty much in the pocket and beat Margarito to the punch pretty much every time.

    Of course, A > B, B > C does not equal A > C. And right now I'd rank Pacquiao over Mosley P4P. But I still don't see any reason to rank Pacquiao--with his pretty limited pedigree--at welterweight over Mosley at welterweight in his prime.

    But I really wish that Mosley would just hang 'em up. The man has no more to prove, and he's not going to prove any more.

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    Looks like Arums really pitching for Mosley.
    Unreal.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=5921266

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    If you think Mosley is slurring his words now (which was very apparent in the Mosley/Mayweather 24/7), just wait until after Manny drops the hammer on him.

    Mosley lost 11 out of 12 rounds against Floyd because he couldn't pull the trigger anymore. This happens to fighters. And when it does, it is time to hang 'em up. Surely the Mora fight should have told Shane this, as well.

    Obviously Shane (and scumbag, Bob Arum) wants one more payday before calling it a night. He will, however, be doing this at the risk of his health. He should call Terry norris to see just how quickly this kind of problem can become disabling.

    Shane has been bragging that he has never been stopped as a professional. If this sham of a fight comes off, he will no longer be able to make that claim.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    Mayweather handled Mosley and JMM like children. If Pacquaio has anything more than fun with them it will be a bad thing in the eyes of the boxing public.

    There is nothing left to prove. Martinez is not great, he and Paul need to go one more. Berto? Honestly, I still view him as a fighter with issues at home. How can he be focused on Pacquaio?

    I have given up on Floyd. In my mind his career is worthless. One can put him in the HOF, but...I can do without hearing his name again or seeing him box.

    Him and Pacquiao were on course to make boxing great again, instead we have this abyss of poor and decent talent.

    Also, this talk of Manny never facing a fighter that he was picked to lose against. I am not sure about everyone else, but I picked Barerra in thier first match. Still, Manny's most impressive bout. His credentials were sealed with that win. Everything since then has been amazing but not a surprize.

    If the ref stops the first Marquez fight in the first round...who knows what we would think of Pacquaio.

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    Re: Pacquiao/Mosley?

    I am with you guys. Mosley vs. PBF was 5-7 years too damn late and Mosley vs. Pac-man is also way too late as well. Mosley's fight with Mora was so nearly unwatchable. I could only last 3 rounds before I had enough. I think I have seen this movie before..... the aging former superstar vs. an upcoming superstar, gets beaten up real good and has the honor of fighting both Pac-man and PBF. Then compares both fighters styles for future superfight. I am a Mosley fan, but his fights with Mayweather should have happened much sooner and definitely a fight against Tito should have happened as well. The world wants to see Pac-Man vs. Mayweather. Anything else is an appetizer.

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