PHILADELPHIA ALL-TIME POUND FOR POUND RATINGS

phlboxarc · 06-27-2005, 02:23 AM

PHILADELPHIA ALL-TIME PFP RATINGS :
1-Joe Frazier
2-Tommy Loughran
3-Harold Johnson
4-Jack Blackburn
5-Sonny Liston
6-Midget Wolgast
7-Benny Bass
8-Joey Giardello
9-Jeff Chandler
10-Lew Tendler
11-Jack O'Brien
12-Bob Montgomery
13-George Godfrey
14-Tyrone Everett
15-Matthew Saad Muhammad (Matt Franklin)
16-Georgie Benton
17-Battling Levinsky
18-Bernard Hopkins
19-Bennie Briscoe
20-Meldrick taylor
21-Gil Turner
22-Harry lewis
23-Percy Bassett
24-Gypsy Joe Harris
25-Tim Witherspoon
26-Jimmy Young
27-Young Erne
28-Tommy O'Toole
29-Kitten Hayward
30-Tim Callahan
31-Al Ettore
32-Leotis Martin
33-Gus Dorazio
34-Boogaloo Watts
35-Willie Monroe

phlboxarc · 06-27-2005, 02:33 AM

For all-time Philadelphia ratings by weight class please go to the Philadelphia Boxing web-site at :
phillyboxinghistory.com

gregbeyer · 09-01-2005, 09:51 PM

chuck,
i once heard joe frazier say that one of the best fighters he ever saw was gypsy joe harris. didn't he retire early because of an eye injury? what was the dope on this guy. is there any tape on him?
greg

Iron Lung 1 · 01-27-2006, 09:20 PM

You've got to be kidding me.

P4P, hopkins is the most complete fighter to ever come out of Philly. Joe Frazier? P4P #1? I'm from Philly and I'd smack a motherf*cker into UJersey if they came around talking about that one-dimensional Frazier being Philly's P4P #1. got two words for Joe Frazier -- "GEORGE FOREMAN"! A P4P great should never get embarassed like that.

There are a number of guys on that list that are P4P better than Frazier, and I would throw Hopkins atop all.

Method

wolgast · 02-07-2006, 07:30 PM

i'm not convinced bernard hopkins is even one of the 10 best ever to come out of philly. does he really rate ahead of guys like:
Tommy Loughran
Harold Johnson
Bob Montgomery
Midget Wolgast
Lew Tendler
George Benton
Jeff Chandler
Bennie Briscoe
Benny Bass
Joe Frazier
Joey Giardello
Gypsy Joe Harris

**kenmore** · 04-12-2006, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by phlboxarc

For all-time Philadelphia ratings by weight class please go to the Philadelphia Boxing web-site at :
phillyboxinghistory.com

I noticed that Dwight Muhammad Qawi is not categorized as a Philly fighter on this website. Why is that? I always thought that Qawi trained out of Philly, and was a Philly-based boxer even though he lived in nearly Camden, NJ.

**phlboxarc** · 04-12-2006, 05:18 PM

Ike Williams, Jersey Joe Walcott, Qawi and others were all considered Philly fighters and trained there but never had a residence there. Rossman lived there for a time and his family roots were in Phila. George Godfrey kept an apt. in Phila, along with his residence in nearby Leiperville.
Of course Kenmore these ratings are all subjective and are open on phillyboxinghistory.com to anyone who wants to post their own Philly ratings and you are more than welcome to do so with your own parameters. Our ratings on the website are just individual opinions to spark dicussion and interest.
Best wishes
Chuck Hasson

**Elmer Ray** · 04-19-2006, 04:59 PM

4-Jack Blackburn

so glad to see jack blackburn get his respect

**El Gato** · 06-16-2009, 09:14 PM

Hopkins, Saad Muhammad, and Montgomery should be higher. I think Chandler's a bit high.

**Surf-Bat** · 06-25-2009, 04:48 AM

In answer to this, I thought I'd post the list for Philly's Western counterpart. So here it is:

PITTSBURGH ALL-TIME POUND FOR POUND RATINGS:

1-Harry Greb
2-Charley Burley
3-Billy Conn
4-Teddy Yarosz
5-Sammy Angott
6-Wee Willie Davies
7-Jackie Wilson
8-Frank Klaus
9-Billy Soose
10-Fritzie Zivic
11-George Chip
12-Tommy Yarosz
13-Jimmy Thomas
14-Tom McMahon
15-Buck Crouse
16-Lee Sala
17-Johnny Ray
18-Patsy Brannigan
19-Dominick McCaffrey
20-Jack McClelland
21-Bob Baker
22-Cuddy DeMarco
23-Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard
24-Harry Bobo
25-Frank Moran
26-Mose Butch
27-Tony Marino
28-Red Bruce
29-Emmett Rocco
30-Tommy Spiegal
31-Paul Spadafora
32-Juste Fontaine
33-Battling Terry
34-Young Rudy
35-Tony Ross

I'm pretty strong on the top 10. The rest you can argue higher and lower placings.

**El Gato** · 06-25-2009, 01:04 PM

Zivic seems much too low Surf, behind the likes of Frank Klaus, Billy Soose, and Jackie Wilson?

**Surf-Bat** · 06-25-2009, 09:56 PM

Maybe putting him below Soose was a bit of a slip up. I may have just mentally put too much weight on Billy's big win over Tony Zale; a career highlight. But Wilson and Klaus you could make cases for over Fritzie as both beat several great fighters. Fritzie was just so darn inconsistent!

Klaus's wins over World Champions Jack Dillon(twice), Georges Carpentier and Billy Papke as well as title claimants such as Leo Houck, Frank Mantell, Cyclone Johnny Thompson and Jack "Twin" Sullivan put him pretty high on any list. The talent pool was pretty deep in the post-Ketchel middleweight era.