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    Ron Lyle R.I.P.

    Heavyweight contender Ron Lyle dies at age 70

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    Last modified: 2011-11-26T20:03:30Z

    DENVER -- Heavyweight contender Ron Lyle, who fought Muhammad Ali for the title in 1975 and later battled George Foreman, has died in Denver at age 70.

    A Salvation Army official in Denver says Lyle died Saturday from complications from a sudden stomach ailment. Details weren't immediately available.

    Ron McKinney says Lyle retired last year from running the charity's boxing program, called Red Shield Cox-Lyle Boxing, but had worked out at the gym every day.

    Lyle lost to both Ali and Foreman in the mid-1970s bouts. He tried unsuccessfully to schedule another fight with Foreman during a brief comeback in the 1990s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOJOE90 View Post
    Heavyweight contender Ron Lyle dies at age 70

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    DENVER -- Heavyweight contender Ron Lyle, who fought Muhammad Ali for the title in 1975 and later battled George Foreman, has died in Denver at age 70.

    A Salvation Army official in Denver says Lyle died Saturday from complications from a sudden stomach ailment. Details weren't immediately available.

    Ron McKinney says Lyle retired last year from running the charity's boxing program, called Red Shield Cox-Lyle Boxing, but had worked out at the gym every day.

    Lyle lost to both Ali and Foreman in the mid-1970s bouts. He tried unsuccessfully to schedule another fight with Foreman during a brief comeback in the 1990s.
    RIP to a true warrior with under-rated boxing skills and a never-say-die attitude in the ring. His wars with Shavers, Foreman, and LeDoux had more excitement and guts shown in 3 fights than most fighters have in their entire careers.

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    Good God almighty, only 70 years old and worked out in the gym every day. Now that is chilling news, time is flying bye so fast for all our boxing favorites. I still cannot believe they are all gone, Briscoe, Benton, Giardello, Patterson, Quarry, our own Billy Costello and so many others, now Ron Lyle. I show his bout with Foreman to all my boxing students who never saw it before. R.I.P. great warrior.

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    Wonder if it was some long term effect of the prison stabbing ... terrible news ... he looked like a rock in the Ali doc ...

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    Ron Lyle

    Born: Ronald David Lyle, February 12, 1941, Dayton, OH
    (Above according to prison records)
    Amateur Record: 25-4 (17 kayos)
    Pro Record: 43-7-1 (32 kayos)


    Amateur Highlights
    1969
    Nov 22 Paroled from Colorado State Penitentiary
    after 7-1/2 years, becomes member of "Denver Rocks,"
    of the International Boxing League

    Dec 19 Fred "Young Sanford" Houpe KO 2 (Amateur)

    1970
    --- Mike Montgomery Trenton, NJ W 3 (Amateur)
    (Wins National AAU Heavyweight Championship)

    --- Billy Freeman Denver, CO W 3 (Amateur)
    --- Jasper Evans Denver, CO W 3 (Amateur)
    (Wins Int'l Boxing League Heavyweight Title)



    1971
    Jan -- Duane Bobick KO 2 (Amateur)
    Jan 25 Jim Wallenburg KO (Amateur)

    Professional Record

    1971
    Apr 23 A.J. Staples Denver, CO KO 1
    May 22 Art "Curly" Miller Boston, MA KO 5
    Jun 22 Gary Bates Stateline, NV KO 4
    Jul 16 Edmundo Stewart New York KO 2
    Jul 24 Leroy Caldwell Lake Geneva, WI W 5
    Aug 11 Frank "Snakebite" Niblett Las Vegas, NV KO 9
    Sep 11 Eddie "Stoney"Land Las Vegas, NV KO 7
    Oct 10 Manuel Ramos Denver, CO W 10
    Nov 10 Joe Lewis Las Vegas, NV KO 3
    Nov 26 Jack O'Halloran Denver, CO KO 4
    Dec 18 Billy Drover Denver, CO KO 2

    1972
    Jan 22 Chuck Leslie Denver, CO KO 3
    Mar 25 George "Scrapiron" Johnson Denver, CO KO 3
    May 10 Mel Turnbow Las Vegas, NV KO 7
    May 25 Mike Boswell Omaha, NE KO 4
    Jul 11 Vicente Rondon Denver, CO KO 2
    Sep 29 Buster Mathis Denver, CO KO 2
    Oct 28 Luis Faustino Pires Denver, CO KO 3
    Dec 9 Larry Middleton Denver, CO KO 3

    1973
    Feb 9 Jerry Quarry New York, NY L 12
    Apr 14 Bob Stallings Missoula, MT W 10
    May 12 Gregorio Peralta Denver, CO W 10
    Jun 11 Wendell Newton Philadelphia W 10
    Jul 3 Lou Bailey Oklahoma City W 10
    Aug 15 Jose Luis Garcia Denver, CO KO 3
    Oct 4 Jurgen Blin Denver, CO KO 2
    Oct 31 Larry Middleton Baltimore W 10
    Nov 17 Gregorio Peralta Frankfurt D 10

    1974
    Mar 19 Oscar Bonavena Denver, CO W 12
    Jul 16 Jimmy Ellis Denver, CO W 12
    Sep 17 Boone Kirkman Seattle KO 8
    Dec 13 Al Jones New Orleans KO 5

    1975
    Feb 11 Jimmy Young Honolulu, HI L 10
    May 16 Muhammad Ali Las Vegas, NV LT 11
    (For World Heavyweight Title)
    Sep 8 Earnie Shavers Denver, CO KO 6

    1976
    Jan 24 George Foreman Las Vegas, NV LK 5
    Sep 12 Kevin Isaac Utica, NY KO 7
    Nov 6 Jimmy Young San Francisco L 12

    1977
    Mar 20 Joe Bugner Las Vegas, NV W 12
    Sep 14 Stan Ward Las Vegas, NV W 10

    1978
    Jun 3 Horace Robinson Denver, CO KO 8

    1979
    Apr 6 Fili Moala San Diego KO 8
    May 12 Scott Ledoux Las Vegas, NV W 10
    Dec 12 Lynn Ball Phoenix LK 2

    1980
    Jun 19 Al Newman Tacoma, WA KO 10
    Aug 23 George O'Mara Inglewood, CA KO 10
    Oct 24 Gerry Cooney Uniondale, NY LK 1

    1981-94
    Inactive

    1995
    Apr 7 Bruce Johnson Erlanger, KY KO 4
    May 12 Tim Pollard Erlanger, KY KO 2
    Jun 9 Ed Strickland Erlanger, KY KO 2
    Aug 18 Dave Slaughter Denver, CO KO 2
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    Says a lot, watch the swap session with O'Halloran and Shavers.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoox...eature=related

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    Re: Ron Lyle R.I.P.

    Add to those "amateur highlights" the fact that Lyle KO'd a Soviet heavyweight in 1970 or 1971 in a US-USSR meet.

    Rest in peace.

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    Ron Lyle v. George Foreman -All-Time Epic Slugfest - Video


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96KfeAFakak

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    Very sad news, first Bad Bennie, then Smokin' Joe now Big Ron. I thought all three of these guys were indestructible.

    Ron Lyles peak years were before my time, but I have always enjoyed watching his fights and reading about him. Such a huge powerfull guy with serious KO power and solid boxing skills. Rumbled on even terms with the very best in The Golden era of Heavyweights, his fights against Foreman, Quarry and Shavers are amongst my favourite Heavyweight fights. Shavers always said Lyle was the hardest hitter he ever fought. I have always felt that around 1976 Lyle V Norton was one of the very few fights of that era that didn't happen that should have (from a fans point of view).

    What he achieved after taking up the sport late and after a short but impressive amateur career is remarkable.

    Like it has already been mention he looked in great shape in the Facing Ali Documentary from a few years ago.

    R.I.P.

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    RIP Ron Lyle. Gave Ali & Foreman, amongst others, terrific fights. True warrior, true gentleman. Amazing interviewee on the Facing Ali DVD. Just reading his book at the moment. Amazing guy, amazing life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Morris View Post
    Just reading his book at the moment. Amazing guy, amazing life.
    I ordered it last night, is it a good read?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GorDoom View Post
    Ron Lyle v. George Foreman -All-Time Epic Slugfest - Video


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96KfeAFakak
    NIce piece ... good post.

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    Ron Lyle Obituary.

    Heavyweight boxer known for his world title bid against Muhammad Ali and an epic struggle with George Foreman

    John Rawling The Guardian, Sunday 27 November 2011


    Like many of his contemporaries from boxing's golden era of the 1970s, Ron Lyle, who has died aged 70 from complications following stomach surgery, could have been forgiven for looking at the state of modern heavyweight boxing and drawing the conclusion that he was born 40 years too early. It was his misfortune that he had to fight Muhammad Ali in his only shot at the world heavyweight title, in Las Vegas in May 1975, a contest he lost when he was stopped in the 11th round. It is not overstating Lyle's abilities to say that he would probably have been a champion had he fought many of the title holders who followed in the decades thereafter.

    The big-punching Lyle had been ahead on all three judges' cards against a lethargic looking Ali before the champion unleashed a terrific right hand to the head and landed around 30 more unanswered blows to prompt the referee to call the fight off. Lyle would always argue that the fight had been stopped prematurely, saying: "I felt I was robbed of the greatest honour in all sport." He later added in a 2009 documentary about Ali: "Am I bitter? Forget about it. I never took it personal. If [it wasn't] Ali, you think you would be sitting here talking to Ron Lyle? About what?"

    Born in Dayton, Ohio, he was one of 19 children born to William and Nellie Lyle. He came to boxing late, after being jailed as a teenager for second degree murder in a gang fight. Standing 6ft 3in and weighing around 15 stone, Lyle was an athletic and intimidating figure who said he was capable of doing 1,000 press-ups in an hour. Initially, while in Colorado State Penitentiary, trouble followed him. He was stabbed in the abdomen by another inmate and twice pronounced dead on the operating table during surgery. According to Lyle, one doctor signed his death certificate. "They had to give me, like, 36 blood transfusions," he told Howard Cosell. "I was on the operating table about 10 o'clock that morning, and I didn't get off until about 5.30 that evening."

    Later he would credit the prison's athletic director with giving his life purpose and discipline by getting him interested in boxing, a sport at which he quickly excelled. He claimed to have never lost a prison fight after being defeated in his first bout. Despite being sentenced to serve 15-25 years, he was paroled in 1969 at the age of 28. He quickly determined to make something of his life as a boxer. Blasting his way through most of his opponents in his 29 fights as an amateur, it was clear Lyle had a future as a professional. At 30, he fought in the paid ranks for the first time and quickly became a contender.

    He suffered points losses against the highly rated Jerry Quarry in 1973 and Jimmy Young in 1975, three months before his fight with Ali, but Lyle also scored impressive wins over the former champion Jimmy Ellis, Buster Mathis and the tough Argentinian Oscar Bonavena before his challenge for the title.

    An epic struggle with the former champion George Foreman in 1976 was Lyle's reward for a knockout victory over the feared puncher Earnie Shavers. Foreman was returning to boxing after shockingly losing the world title to Ali in Zaire in 1974. Both Foreman and Lyle were down twice before Foreman knocked him out in the fifth round.

    A split decision win over Britain's Joe Bugner in 1977 was among his later triumphs, but Lyle was a declining force by the time he retired in 1980, aged 39, after losing inside a round to the much-hyped prospect Gerry Cooney. Hoping to face Foreman for a second time for the title, after Big George had regained it in 1994, Lyle made an unlikely comeback at the age of 54. He won four contests in 1995 against lowly rated club fighters, but the Foreman dream never materialised and Lyle retired for good having won 43 fights, lost seven and drawn one.

    Lyle, who worked as a security guard and a trainer in his later years, was again accused of murder in 1978, after a fellow prison inmate was shot at Lyle's home. Lyle claimed self defence and was acquitted. A biography of Lyle, Off the Ropes: The Ron Lyle Story by Candace Toft, was published in 2010.

    Lyle was divorced from his wife, Nadine.

    • Ron Lyle, boxer, born 12 February 1941; died 26 November 2011

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    2011 has been a bad year for boxers of my youth. Ron Lyle was a very good fighter in a tough era. R.I.P. He would have been champ in another era.

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    Ron Lyle: The Only Fighter To Hurt Foreman In Maybe The Finest Hour For Both
    Written by Frank Lotierzo/Sweet Science

    Over the course of his stellar heavyweight career, how many times can it be said that former two-time champion George Foreman was ever hurt by another fighter to the point that he was stumbling all over the ring? The answer to that question is once, and that occurred on January 24, 1976. And that was courtesy of a big right hand landed by former contender and title challenger Ron Lyle 43-7-1 (31). Sadly, November 2011 has claimed another pillar heavyweight from the seventies as former title challenger Ron Lyle has joined former champ Joe Frazier at his final resting place.

    Ron Lyle is best remembered for his title bout with heavyweight champ Muhammad Ali and his five round slug-fest with George Foreman nine months later. Lyle is also remembered for his two-handed power, especially in his right hand. However, what's often missed when Lyle's career is discussed is the fact that his boxing style was unique and rare, that is until Lennox Lewis and the arrival of Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko. Throughout the modern era circa 1880 to the present there haven't been many outstanding heavyweights who fought as a boxer-puncher.

    There's been some great boxers, swarmers, punchers and sluggers, but the only great boxer-punchers prior to 1970 were former champs Joe Louis and Sonny Liston. If you continue on chronologically, Lyle's name would bridge the gap between Louis and Liston and Lennox Lewis and the Klitschkos as far as outstanding/great boxer-punchers. Ron Lyle was an outstanding boxer-puncher. He had a blunting left jab, threw tight upper-cuts and hooks as counters to the head and body, and he also had a very powerful conventional right cross to the head. Ron applied subtle pressure and was very measured in his attack. He never rushed his shots or got wild.

    Lyle got a late start as a pro. He was convicted of second-degree murder in the shooting death of 21-year-old gang rival Douglas Byrd at age 19. He served 7 1/2 years in a Cañon City prison where he began to box. After his release from prison he had a brief amateur career. In 1971 he knocked out 1972 Olympian Duane Bobick in the first round with one punch. Bobick was reportedly down for over five minutes. But due to the fact that Lyle needed money he bypassed the 1972 Olympic Trials and turned pro, thus opening the door for Bobick to represent the US at the Olympic Games in Munich.

    As a pro Lyle was put in tough fights early because of his late start. He scored wins over Vincente Rondon, Buster Mathis, Larry Middleton, Oscar Bonavena, Jimmy Ellis, Earnie Shavers, Joe Bugner, Scott LeDoux and was avoided by Ken Norton between 1974-77. He also had the misfortune of running into Jerry Quarry and Jimmy Young on one of their better nights. He was leading Muhammad Ali after 10 rounds during their title bout before Ali landed one of the best right hands of his title tenure and then followed it up with a barrage of rights and lefts leading to the referee stopping the fight in the 11th round. After losing to Ali, Lyle knocked out Earnie Shavers and put himself in line to fight George Foreman on ABC. Foreman was making his return to the ring after his 15 month retirement after losing his undisputed title to Ali in late 1974.

    When Foreman agreed to meet Lyle in his comeback fight, he and new trainer Gil Clancy probably thought Lyle would be an easy fight and early round knockout for George. They knew Lyle was fearless and wouldn't be intimidated and would oblige Foreman and trade with him. For three rounds Foreman and Lyle traded measured bombs pretty evenly. In the fourth round the flood gates opened and Lyle and Foreman traded knockdowns of each other. Then Lyle dropped Foreman a second time and had him badly hurt. Foreman hadn't fully recovered until the fifth round when he trapped Lyle in a corner and unloaded with non-stop hay-makers that overwhelmed Lyle and dropped him for the count.

    Yes, Muhammad Ali may have stopped Foreman, but he didn't really hurt him or have him falling all over the ring. George went down from exhaustion more than from being hurt. This wasn't the case when Lyle dropped him. When Lyle dropped Foreman with a right hook/uppercut at the end of the fourth round, Foreman crashed to the canvas and struggled to get up and stumbled back to his corner. George was never more hurt or in trouble in any fight of his career prior to or after fighting Lyle.

    Ron Lyle was an outstanding/borderline great heavyweight fighter. He was fearless and had a good chin along with being a much better and well rounded fighter than some remember him as being. He like many other heavyweights who fought during the Ali, Frazier, Foreman era circa 1965-75 had the bad luck of their birth certificate. Had Lyle fought during the eras of Marciano, Holmes, Tyson and today's era of heavyweights, he surely would've won the title or at the least a version of it.

    If Lyle was fighting in his prime today, Vitali Klitschko is the only heavyweight he'd have to worry about. Aside from Vitali he'd have his way with the rest of the division. He traded bombs with Earnie Shavers and won, and if he just stayed away from Foreman a little more he may have defeated him by knockout just the same. No, Ron Lyle never won the heavyweight title, but he's the only fighter who ever hurt George Foreman and had him stumbling around the ring, ever. Nobody but Foreman would have had the character and physical attributes to have gotten up in the Lyle fight. He was badly hurt and dead the second time he was dropped. In some ways, Foreman getting up was his finest hour.

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    Can anyone provide a link to the quick film clip, possibly in a documentary on Lyle (I looked but did not see the clip) of Lyle's one punch KO over Duane Bobick?

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    I didn't get to see the Foreman-Lyle fight live, but among old-timers of my acquaintance it left an indelible impression -- a Pier 6 Classic and "Fight of the Year" shoo-in although it lasted less than five full rounds. Beyond that, the fight was historic on several fronts.

    Don King's first Nevada promotion, Foreman vs. Lyle, a Saturday afternoon affair on "Wide World of Sports," was the first fight at Caesars Palace, which then had far fewer rooms and was run by characters who were nothing like the bean-counters running Vegas joints today. CP had previously been the lead sponsor of shows held at the Convention Center, but this fight, held in the so-called Sports Pavilion, a big shed situated in the rear of the property, was the first fight held on the actual grounds of Caesars Palace. The action in the casino after the fight was hot and heavy and one could sense that boxing was about to enter a new era, an era when the sport would be intertwined with gambling casinos.

    When I met Ron Lyle, he was training a heavyweight hopeful, BJ Bonkavich, who was managed by casino host Gene Kilroy, who was in Muhammad Ali's inner circle. A big galoot, BJ had the potential to rope in a few good paydays, but not the discipline -- too bad as he would have taken Ron Lyle along for the ride. The Ron Lyle that I met was soft-spoken and well-spoken and radiated an inner peace. Had I not known otherwise, I would have been very surprised to learn of the incidents of horrible violence that speckled his life story. RIP, Ron, and condolences to all your loved ones.

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    I respected the way Ron Lyle went back to the prison he served time in to visit the inmates. I saw the documentary on him and his trips back to see them were noble.

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    Re: Ron Lyle R.I.P.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Lipton View Post
    Can anyone provide a link to the quick film clip, possibly in a documentary on Lyle (I looked but did not see the clip) of Lyle's one punch KO over Duane Bobick?

    It's om the Facing Ali Documentary about 1hr in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOJOE90 View Post
    I ordered it last night, is it a good read?
    Sorry for the late reply Joe. yeah it is a good read so far (I am about 50 pages in), you get an insight into his early life which seems like a fairly strict upbringing except Ron seems to rebel against it. There are a few typos though, could have done with better proof reading.

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