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Hello gents,
Nominations now open for the top 100 fighters ever. Yeah, yeah, I know Randolph did a book. Pretty good one, too. But who do YOU think should be in the top 100? Nominate as many as you want... or disagree with choices.
SRRobinson
Pep
Greb
Armstrong
Jofre
Duran
Langford
Benny Leonard
Monzon
Wilde
No arguments here, Roberto. A very solid start.
Robinson
Louis
Pep
Ali
Duran
Wilde
Gans
B. Leonard
Chavez
Armstrong
1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Ezzard Charles
3 Harry Greb
4 Muhammad Ali
5 Sugar Ray Leonard
6 Robert Duran
7 Henry Armstrong
8 Willie Pep
9 Joe Louis
10 Marvelous Marvin Hagler
Guys -- Bert's book is being re-issued and revamped. Some fighters added, some dropped, and many moved around.
It is coming out from Lyon's Press.
1. Robinson
2. Armstrong
3. Duran
4. Pep
5. Greb
6. Gans
7. Wilde
8. Joe Louis
9. Jofre
10. Charles
2006 Updated list:
1        Sugar Ray Robinson
2        Henry Armstrong
3        Willie Pep
4        Joe Louis
5        Harry Greb
6        Benny Leonard
7        Muhammad Ali
8        Roberto Duran
9        Jack Demsey
10        Jack Johnson
11        Mickey Walker
12        Tony Canzoneri
13        Gene Tunney
14        Rocky Marciano
15        Joe Gans
16        Sam Langford
17        Julio Cesar Chavez
18        Jimmy Wilde
19        Stanley Ketchal
20        Barney Ross
21        Jimmy McLarnin
22        Archie Moore
23        Marcel Cerdan
24        Ezzard Charles
25        Sugar Ray Leonard
26        Joe Walcott
27        Jake LaMotta
28        Eder Jofre
29        Emile Griffith
30        Terry McGovern
31        George Foreman
32        Johnny Dundee
33        Jose Napoles
34        Pasqual Perez
35        Billy Conn
36        Ruben Olivares
37        Joe Frazier
38        Tommy Loughran
39        Sandy Saddler
40        Kid McCoy
41        Abe Attell
42        Evander Holyfield
43        George Dixon
44        Maxie Rosenbloom
45        Larry Holmes
46        Ted Kid Lewis
47        Marvelous Marvin Hagler
48        Pernell Whitaker
49        Carlos Zarate
50        Thomas Hearns
51        Battling Nelson
52        Beau Jack
53        Ricardo Lopez
54        John L. Sullivan
55        Carlos Monzon
56        Alexis Arguello
57        Carmen Basilio
58        Pete Herman
59        Charley Burley
60        Ike Williams
61        Kid Gavilan
62        Jack Britton
63        Dick Tiger
64        Pancho Villa
65        Panama Al Brown
66        Bob Fitzsimmons
67        Phila. Jack O'Brien
68        Tiger Flowers
69        James J. Corbett
70        Tony Zale
71        Tommy Ryan
72        Georges Carpantier
73        Sonny Liston
74        Kid McCoy
75        Bob Foster
76        Freddie Welsh
77        Joe Jeanette
78        Jim Driscoll
79        Jersey Joe Walcott
80        Peter Jackson
81        Ad Wolgast
82        Non Pareil Jack Dempsey
83        Manuel Ortiz
84        James J. Jeffries
85        Salvador Sanchez
86        Jimmy Barry
87        Carlos Ortiz
88        Roy Jones Jr.
89        Wilfredo Gomez
90        Aaron Pryor
91        Bernard Hopkins
92        Mike Gibbons
93        Jack Delaney
94        Johnny Kilbane
95        Willie Ritchie
96        Wilfred Benitez
97        Packy MacFarland
98        Rocky Graziano
99        Lew Jenkins
100        Mike Tyson
Original List from 1984:
1        Sugar Ray Robinson
2        Henry Armstrong
3        Harry Greb
4        Jack Dempsey
5        Benny Leonard
6        Joe Louis
7        Mickey Walker
8        Sam Langford
9        Tony Canzoneri
10        Muhammad Ali
11        Joe Gans
12        Willie Pep
13        Jack Johnson
14        Barney Ross
15        Jimmy Wilde
16        Gene Tunney
17        Roberto Duran
18        Johnny Dundee
19        Rocky Marciano
20        Joe Walcott
21        Stanley Ketchal
22        Jimmy McLarnin
23        Archie Moore
24        Tommy Ryan
25        George Dixon
26        Eder Jofre
27        Abe Attell
28        Jack Britton
29        Bob Fitzsimmons
30        Terry McGovern
31        Ezzard Charles
32        Packey McFarland
33        Ted Kid Lewis
34        Marcel Cerdan
35        Kid Chocolate
36        Pasqual Perez
37        Tommy Loughran
38        Jim Driscoll
39        Emile Griffith
40        Kid McCoy
41        Jim Corbett
42        Billy Conn
43        Jake LaMotta
44        Maxie Rosenbloom
45        Pancho Villa
46        Jose Napoles
47        Sandy Saddler
48        Freddie Welsh
49        Joe Frazier
50        John l. Sullivan
51        Carlos Monzon
52        Kid Gavilan
53        Pete Herman
54        Tiger Flowers
55        Billy Petrolle
56        Sugar Ray Leonard
57        Non Pareil Jack Dempsey
58        Dick Tiger
59        Beau Jack
60        Ike Williams
61        Panama Al Brown
62        Larry Holmes
63        Carmen Basilio
64        Charley Burley
65        Phila. Jack O'Brien
66        Peter Jackson
67        Jimmy Barry
68        Carlos Zarate
69        Georges Carpantier
70        Tony Zale
71        Young Griffo
72        Alexis Arguello
73        Max Baer
74        Marvelous Marvin Hagler
75        Battling Johnson
76        Joe Jeannette
77        Mysterious Billy Smith
78        Wilfredo Gomez
79        Jersey Joe Walcott
80        Rocky Graziano
81        Sonny Liston
82        Harry Wills
83        Ad Wolgast
84        Tommy Hearns
85        Manuel Ortiz
86        Salvador Sanchez
87        Fighting Harada
88        Willie Ritchie
89        James J. Jeffries
90        Johnny Kilbane
91        Bob Foster
92        Mike Gibbons
93        Benny Lynch
94        George Kid Lavigne
95        Aaron Pryor
96        Lew Jenkins
97        Carlos Ortiz
98        Jack Delaney
99        Wilfred Benitez
100        Gene Fullmer
jeffries at 84 and 89...? what...in...the WORLD...!?!?! how could he rank jeffries anywhere but in the top 30!?!? i'm shocked...i'm hurt...
i'll put a list of my picks up later on.
i'll eventually get this book because it has all of my old school favorites like jeffries, battling nelson, george dixon, greb, joe gans, and sullivan. but, of course, their rankings are a bit questionable, which makes for good forum debates!
Personally I think the whole concept is ridiculous. It's far to subjective & a matter of personal choice. Just picking the top ten fighters of all time is difficult.
The top 100?
maybe it's just me but I really don't see the point.
GorDoom
Bert's lists redone as they for some reason appear a bit messed up and it doesn't look like I can edit it:
2006
1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Willie Pep
4 Joe Louis
5 Harry Greb
6 Benny Leonard
7 Muhammad Ali
8 Roberto Duran
9 Jack Demsey
10 Jack Johnson
11 Mickey Walker
12 Tony Canzoneri
13 Gene Tunney
14 Rocky Marciano
15 Joe Gans
16 Sam Langford
17 Julio Cesar Chavez
18 Jimmy Wilde
19 Stanley Ketchal
20 Barney Ross
21 Jimmy McLarnin
22 Archie Moore
23 Marcel Cerdan
24 Ezzard Charles
25 Sugar Ray Leonard
26 Joe Walcott
27 Jake LaMotta
28 Eder Jofre
29 Emile Griffith
30 Terry McGovern
31 George Foreman
32 Johnny Dundee
33 Jose Napoles
34 Pasqual Perez
35 Billy Conn
36 Ruben Olivares
37 Joe Frazier
38 Tommy Loughran
39 Sandy Saddler
40 Kid McCoy
41 Abe Attell
42 Evander Holyfield
43 George Dixon
44 Maxie Rosenbloom
45 Larry Holmes
46 Ted Kid Lewis
47 Marvelous Marvin Hagler
48 Pernell Whitaker
49 Carlos Zarate
50 Thomas Hearns
51 Battling Nelson
52 Beau Jack
53 Ricardo Lopez
54 John L. Sullivan
55 Carlos Monzon
56 Alexis Arguello
57 Carmen Basilio
58 Pete Herman
59 Charley Burley
60 Ike Williams
61 Kid Gavilan
62 Jack Britton
63 Dick Tiger
64 Pancho Villa
65 Panama Al Brown
66 Bob Fitzsimmons
67 Phila. Jack O'Brien
68 Tiger Flowers
69 James J. Corbett
70 Tony Zale
71 Tommy Ryan
72 Georges Carpantier
73 Sonny Liston
74 Kid McCoy
75 Bob Foster
76 Freddie Welsh
77 Joe Jeanette
78 Jim Driscoll
79 Jersey Joe Walcott
80 Peter Jackson
81 Ad Wolgast
82 Non Pareil Jack Dempsey
83 Manuel Ortiz
84 James J. Jeffries
85 Salvador Sanchez
86 Jimmy Barry
87 Carlos Ortiz
88 Roy Jones Jr.
89 Wilfredo Gomez
90 Aaron Pryor
91 Bernard Hopkins
92 Mike Gibbons
93 Jack Delaney
94 Johnny Kilbane
95 Willie Ritchie
96 Wilfred Benitez
97 Packy MacFarland
98 Rocky Graziano
99 Lew Jenkins
100 Mike Tyson
His orginal list from the first printing:
1984
1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Harry Greb
4 Jack Dempsey
5 Benny Leonard
6 Joe Louis
7 Mickey Walker
8 Sam Langford
9 Tony Canzoneri
10 Muhammad Ali
11 Joe Gans
12 Willie Pep
13 Jack Johnson
14 Barney Ross
15 Jimmy Wilde
16 Gene Tunney
17 Roberto Duran
18 Johnny Dundee
19 Rocky Marciano
20 Joe Walcott
21 Stanley Ketchal
22 Jimmy McLarnin
23 Archie Moore
24 Tommy Ryan
25 George Dixon
26 Eder Jofre
27 Abe Attell
28 Jack Britton
29 Bob Fitzsimmons
30 Terry McGovern
31 Ezzard Charles
32 Packey McFarland
33 Ted Kid Lewis
34 Marcel Cerdan
35 Kid Chocolate
36 Pasqual Perez
37 Tommy Loughran
38 Jim Driscoll
39 Emile Griffith
40 Kid McCoy
41 Jim Corbett
42 Billy Conn
43 Jake LaMotta
44 Maxie Rosenbloom
45 Pancho Villa
46 Jose Napoles
47 Sandy Saddler
48 Freddie Welsh
49 Joe Frazier
50 John l. Sullivan
51 Carlos Monzon
52 Kid Gavilan
53 Pete Herman
54 Tiger Flowers
55 Billy Petrolle
56 Sugar Ray Leonard
57 Non Pareil Jack Dempsey
58 Dick Tiger
59 Beau Jack
60 Ike Williams
61 Panama Al Brown
62 Larry Holmes
63 Carmen Basilio
64 Charley Burley
65 Phila. Jack O'Brien
66 Peter Jackson
67 Jimmy Barry
68 Carlos Zarate
69 Georges Carpantier
70 Tony Zale
71 Young Griffo
72 Alexis Arguello
73 Max Baer
74 Marvelous Marvin Hagler
75 Battling Johnson
76 Joe Jeannette
77 Mysterious Billy Smith
78 Wilfredo Gomez
79 Jersey Joe Walcott
80 Rocky Graziano
81 Sonny Liston
82 Harry Wills
83 Ad Wolgast
84 Tommy Hearns
85 Manuel Ortiz
86 Salvador Sanchez
87 Fighting Harada
88 Willie Ritchie
89 James J. Jeffries
90 Johnny Kilbane
91 Bob Foster
92 Mike Gibbons
93 Benny Lynch
94 George Kid Lavigne
95 Aaron Pryor
96 Lew Jenkins
97 Carlos Ortiz
98 Jack Delaney
99 Wilfred Benitez
100 Gene Fullmer
BTW, I am a sucker for lists.
Hawk
LOL @ mike tyson
that chin keeps getting mike into more and more trouble...
but...you mean he wouldn't even include Fighting Harada in his updated list!? WTF!? if you can put the triple crown winners on there (harada almost became a triple crown champion in his career; the man had talent and could fight like hell), and then someone like Graziano, then Harada should be on the list!!!
Ol' Bert has parlayed his cigar into a veritable cottage industry.
Compare to Bert's greatest athletes list and note the order of the boxers as they appear.
15. Ali
25. Robinson
57. Armstrong
60. Dempsey
72. Louis
91. Pep
99 John L
Apparently, some boxers are better boxers than athletes and some boxers are better athletes than boxers!
I'd really like to know the 14 athletes he puts before the GREATEST!!!
AMEN TO THAT!!, especially when comparing fighters from different eras who fought under different rules.Originally Posted by GorDoom
For fun?.
I haven't tried to make any lists for years, but if done well and not taken too seriously they can get good discussion going.
making lists.
But the lists I make, are for me. I certainly would not want anyone to think that they are indeed gospel or that MY list is better or more accurate than anyone elses.
It comes down to opinions I have formed based on the research I have done.
I enjoy the lists that Sugar makes, although I find myself disagreeing with quite a bit of what he compiles.
If nothing else, I think it get's the wheels turning in one's head.
As far as the top 100 athletes Bert compiled back in 1995, here are his top 15:
1-Jim Brown
2-Jim Thorpe
3-Babe Didrickson Zaharias
4-Jackie Robinson
5-Babe Ruth
6-Jesse Owens
7-Wilt Chamberlain
8-Pele
9-Ernie Nevers
10-Micheal Jordan
11-Carl Lewis
12-Bobby Orr
13-Paavo Nurmi
14-Willie Mays
15-Muhammad Ali
Let the "agahst"-ing begin.
Hawk
A class bit out of "Rocky Balboa" is during a TV panel when Burt Sugar exclamates on how Mason Dixon would have slaughtered a prime Rocky...
Glad that Sugar has a good sense of humor. So do I, along with respect for Sugar as a boxing historian and as someone who always raises an interest in boxing. On that basis, I have forgiven him for writing how great Roy Jones was and how he coulda beat Spinks, Foster, and Moore.
Here is my list, for what it's worth, which probably won't be much in your eyes. Of course it's very subjective and my knowledge of the sport is limited and it's hard to justify by any objective measure and blah blah blah. I still like to put it out there. It changes from day to day depending on what I learn and what I dispel. As you can probably tell my list is a little too featherweight, lightweight and welterweight oriented, and all I can say about that is that those are the weight classes i know most about, and hence my preference for fighters in those divisions.
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Sam Langford
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Benny Leonard
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Ezzard Charles
10. Sandy Saddler
11. Archie Moore
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Joe Gans
14. Marvin Hagler
15. Pernell Whitaker
16. Carlos Monzon
17. Joe Louis
18. Eder Jofre
19. Gene Tunney
20. Jimmy Wilde
21. Julio Cesar Chavez
22. Ike Williams
23. Jose Napoles
24. Barney Ross
25. Tony Canzoneri
26. Emile Griffith
27. Alexis Arguello
28. Mickey Walker
29. Salvador Sanchez
30. Fighting Harada
31. Larry Holmes
32. Thomas Hearns
33. Michael Spinks.
34. Roy Jones Jr.
35. Carlos Ortiz
36. Jim Driscoll
37. Carlos Zarate
38. Evander Holyfied
39. Kid Gavilan
40. Azumah Nelson
41. Bob Foster
42. Aaron Pryor
43. Terry McGovern
44. Bob Fitzsimmons
45. Billy Conn
46. Charley Burley
47. Rocky Marciano
48. Jack Blackburn
49. George Foreman
50. Jake Lamotta
51. Ruben Olivares
52. Dick Tiger
53. Wilfred Benitez
54. Miguel Canto
55. Nicolino Locche
56. Duilio Loi
57. Joe Frazier
58. Marcel Cerdan
59. Bernard Hopkins
60. Tiger Flowers
61. Sonny Liston
62. Jack Dempsey
63. Wilfredo Gomez
64. Joe Walcott
65. Packey McFarland
66. Oscar De la Hoya
67. Antonio Cervantes
68. Lew Tendler
69. Tommy Loughran
70. Carmen Basilio
71. Luis Rodriguez
72. Eusebio Pedroza
73. George Dixon
74. Tommy Ryan
75. Mike Tyson
76. Owen Moran
77. Jack Johnson
78. Jimmy McLarnin
79. Stanley Ketchel
80. Erik Morales
81. Pasqual Perez
82. Abe Atell
83. Felix Trinidad
84. Marco Antonio Barrera
85. Lennox Lewis
86. Lou Ambers
87. Ricardo Lopez
88. Kid Chocolate
89. Esteban DeJesus
90. Young Griffo
91. Tony Zale
92. Mike McCallum
93. James Toney
94. Manuel Ortiz
95. Vicente Saldivar
96. Beau Jack
97. Johnny Dundee
98. Ken Buchanan
97. Jimmy Carter
98. Flash Elorde
99. Freddie Welsh
100. Nino Benvenuti
why isnt Terry norris in the top 100....lol
Nice List. Again, I have a blast with these. BUT they are nothing to raise your blood pressure over.
Petey, Bert will always leave you shaking your head. His top 100 Book has actually been released 3 times. The original date being 1984. It was then Re-released in early 1989 with a differ cover (Tyson Koing Spinks) and while he didn't change the order up at all, he did add an addendum of Mike Tyson to his list.
Mike didn't actually bump anyone, but Bert said, that if he were to add Tyson, he was going to list him #27 with a Bullet (as in going up the charts). Seeing Berts Last incarnation of the list in whihc Tyson BARELY makes the 100 cut, you can OBVIOUSLY see that Bert doesn't always follow his own recommendation of waiting until a fighters career is over before you evaluate him.
And seeing that in 2006 Bert placed Jones at #88 Well behind Foster and Moore (although curiously Spinks never made any incarnation of his top 100.), it is obvious that he has reevaluated Jones as well and if he were to do that piece over agian, i doubt we'd see Bert having Jones NEARLY as successful agianst the Lightheavies as he was when he orginally penned that piece.
Love Bert. But he is the reason I don't have a fuller head of hair.
Hawk
Cheers Hawk, and pink, Terry is just outside my top 150.
Back in the days that Sharks, Hawk and I posted to another board, we polled the regulars for their all-time top 20s. I think we had 27 submissions. Then the ol' Hawk put them all together with a points system - 20 points for each time a fighter was #1, 19 points for #20.... down to 1 point for #20.
Below are the results of that compilation from that poll. I thought it came out with a pretty darn good list (though I wonder if RJJ is still quite so high on several of those lists).
1. Ray Robinson
2. Roberto Duran
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Harry Greb
6. Willie Pep
7. Ray Leonard
8. Eder Jofre
9. Benny Leonard
10. Ezzard Charles
11. Sam Langford
12. Joe Louis
13. Jimmy Wilde
14. Sandy Saddler
15. Carlos Monzon
16. Bob Fitzsimmons
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Pernell Whitaker
T19. Larry Holmes
T19. Roy Jones
T21. Jack Dempsey
T21. Salvador Sanchez
23. Jack Johnson
24. Mickey Walker
T25. Gene Tunney
T25. Ike Williams
27. Michael Spinks
28. Thomas Hearns
T29. Tony Canzoneri
T29. Fighting Harada
31. Aaron Pryor
32. Sonny Liston
33. Terry McGovern
34. Alexis Arguello
35. Rocky Marciano
36. Pascual Perez
37. Barney Ross
T38. Charley Burley
T38. Marcel Cerdan
T40. Joe Gans
T40. Stanley Ketchal
Current accusations aside, I'm always surprised Holyfield doesn't rate higher on these lists. He did alright for a guy who regularly gave up 30/40 pounds. I don't make out these lists myself, and don''t know exactly where I'd put him if I did, but top 15 or 20 seems reasonable to me.
I also remember trying to post it with the points/ votes that each fighter got and it looking like a flippin train wreck. T was always there to save me on the technology end.
Enswell, I am a very big admirer of Evander's and I refuse to let the recent accusations cloud up my opinion of him until something more substantive comes along.
I certainly wouldn't criticize anyone for having Evander that high on thier own lists, but I would personally have a difficult time getting him in my top 20.
The thing is with compiling these lists, it is amazing to see how many qualified guys you end up leavng OUT of your top 20.
Take a stab at it one day and then tell me if you don't end up crossing out half your fighters and then constantly replacing them.
"Oh Crap I forgot about Emile Griffith, and hey what about Tony Canzoneri? And if I have Tony C I have to have Ross. And Jesus I Have Hagler and Monzon #3 and 4 at Middleweight but I have Marvin in and not Monzon? And Crap, I have Kid Gavilan in my top 20, but in my welterweight list I have Napoles ahead of him, so now I need to switch those two......" and on and on and on.
Hawk
you're right , of course. Just thinking of making a top ten list makes my head hurt, let alone a top 100 list!
Enswell
Actually Hawk, I think I made a pic of it to be able to post it.
Here it is, with the votes each fighter got (and I hope this doesn't screw the margins).
Yeah, I don't think that turned out too god awful.
Certainly better than the Ring fan poll, in which they had so many bogus votes with Butterbean and Small Montana recieving votesfor thebest ever fighter poll.
This didn't have any "submarine" entries
Hawk
That's some good stuff right there. Are the original lists up anywhere?
Kind of surprised some fighters like Jose Napoles, Emile Griffith and Julio Cesar Chavez didn't make a top 40 on aggregate, but there you go. I guess it had something to do with their ranking consistently in people's top 30 or 40, but not top 20's. That's understandable I guess.
Last edited by sweet_scientist; 03-29-2007 at 11:59 AM.
Yeah, I still have all 27. In looking through them it's made me think about the folks we used to have a blast with on that site. Joonie, Tori, Mushashi, Tam, Paulie Walnuts, Boswelled... and of course Kid Husker, who still makes an infrequent appearance here from time to time. Good people. (And some real shitheads put in lists too....)
Big Dave’s
1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Henry Armstrong
3.Roberto Duran
4.Sugar Ray Leonard
5.Mickey Walker
6.Eder Jofre
7.Tony Canzoneri
8.Harry Greb
9.Muhammad Ali
10.Joe Louis
Gazot’s
01.Sam Langford
02.Harry Greb
03.Sugar Ray Robinson
04.Roberto Duran
05.Jimmy Wilde
06.Benny Leonard
07.Muhammad Ali
08.Joe Louis
09.Sugar Ray Leonard
10.Henry Armstrong
Hawk’s
1 SUGAR RAY ROBINSON
2 ROBERTO DURAN
3 SUGAR RAY LEONARD
4 MUHAMMAD ALI
5 HENRY ARMSTRONG
6 WILLIE PEP
7 EZZARD CHARLES
8 SANDY SADDLER
9 ARCHIE MOORE
10 LARRY HOLMES
11 MARVELOUS MARVIN HAGLER
12 JOE LOUIS
13 SAM LANGFORD
14 BENNY LEONARD
15 HARRY GREB
16 EDER JOFRE
17 SALVADOR SANCHEZ
18 THOMAS HEARNS
19 CARLOS MONZON
20 AARON PRYOR
Sharkey’s
1.Ray Robinson
2.Roberto Duran
3.Harry Greb
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Willie Pep
6.Benny Leonard
7.Muhammad Ali
8.Ezzard Charles
9.Sandy Saddler
10.Jack Dempsey
11.Robert Fitzsimmons
12.Ray Leonard
13.Jimmy Wilde
14.Gene Tunney
15.Ike Williams
16.Barney Ross
16.Tony Canzoneri
18.Salvador Sanchez
19.Joe Louis
20.Eder Jofre
TKO’s
1)*Sugar Ray Robinson
2) Henry Armstrong
3) Eder Jofre
4) Roberto Duran
5) Benny Leonard
6) Muhammad Ali
7) Willie Pep
8) Jimmy Wilde
9) Ezzard Charles
10) Sam Langford
11) Harry Greb
12) Sugar Ray Leonard
13) Bob Fitzsimmons
14) Gene Tunney
15) Archie Moore
16) Joe Louis
17) Rocky Marciano
18) Aaron Pryor
19) Jack Dempsey
20) Carlos Monzon
Tori’s
1.*Henry Armstrong
2. Ray Robinson
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Ray Leonard
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Marvin Hagler
8. Eder Jofre
9. Harry Greb
10. Sandy Saddler
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Archie Moore
14. Jack Johnson
15. Tommy Hearns
16. Joe Louis
17. Pernell Whitaker
18. Larry Holmes
19. Bob Fitzsimmons
20. Jack Dempsey
Joonie’s
1.*Ray Robinson
2. Roberto Duran
3. Ray Leonard
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Harry Greb
6. Hank Armstrong
7. Eder Jofre
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Willie Pep
10. Roy Jones
11. Fighting Harada
12. Jimmy Wilde
13. Benny Leonard
14. Sandy Saddler
15. Gene Tunney
16. Salvador Sanchez
17. Thomas Hearns
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Alexis Arguello
20. Carlos Monzon
Warmonger
1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Roberto Duran
3 Sugar Ray Leonard
4 Henry Armstrong
5 Muhammed Ali
6 Willie Pep
7 Sandy Sandler
8 Ezzard Charles
9 Archie Moore
10 Larry Holmes
11 Benny Leonard
12 Joe Louis
13 Aaron Pryor
14 Marvin Hagler
15 Eder Jofre
16 Harry Greb
17 Salvador Sanchez
18 Tommy Hearns
19 Carlos Monzon
20 Sam Langford
Mushashi’s
1.*Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Roberto Duran
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Sugar Ray Leonard
5. Muhammad Ali
6. Willie Pep
7. Sandy Saddler
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Eder Jofre
10. Benny Leonard
11. Archie Moore
12. Jimmy Wilde
13. Harry Greb
14. Marvin Hagler
15. Carlos Monzon
16. Tommy Hearns
17. Sam Langford
18. Roy Jones, Jr.
19. Larry Holmes
20. Bob Fitzsimmons
Sladivar’s
1. Robinson
2. Duran
3. Jofre
4. Armstrong
5. Leonard
6. Ali
7. Charles
8. Greb
9. Jones
10. Pep
Dmille’s
1)*Armstrong
2) Robinson
3) Ali
4) Pep
5) Wilde
6) Louis
7) Langford
8) Spinks
9) Jofre
10) Monzon
11) Jones
Decagon’s
1.*Henry Armstrong
2. Ray Robinson
3. Harry Greb
4. Sam Langford
5. Willie Pep
6. Jimmy Wilde
7. Roberto Duran
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Louis
11. Benny Leonard
12. Ray Leonard
13. Bob Fitzsimmons
14. Carlos Monzon
15. Jack Dempsey
16. Archie Moore
17. Eder Jofre
18. Rocky Marciano
19. Michael Spinks
20. Marvin Hagler
BigGeorge
01.*Sugar Ray Robinson
02. Henry Armstrong
03. Sugar ray Leonard
04. Roberto Duran
05. Muhammad Ali
06. Willie Pep
07. Joe Louis
08. Eder Jofre
09. Harry Greb
10. Benny Leonard
11. Sandy Saddler
12. Pernell Whitaker
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Marvin Hagler
15. Archie Moore
16. Salvador Sanchez
17. Carlos Monzon
18. Aaron Pryor
19. Alexis Arguello
20. Roy Jones Jr.
21. Larry Holmes
SRL’s
1.*Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Joe Louis
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Willie Pep
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Sam Langford
10. Sonny Liston
Tam’s
1.*Henry Armstrong
2. Ray Robinson
3. Sam Langford
4. Roberto Duran
5. Jimmy Wilde
6. Harry Greb
7. Joe Louis
8. Benny Leonard
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Willie Pep
11. Ezzard Charles
12. Edre Jofre
13. Carlos Monzon
14. Pernell Whitaker
15. Ray Leonard
16. Archie Moore
17. Rocky Marciano
18. Bob Fitzsimmons
19. Marvin Hagler
20. Alexis Arguello
Nero’s
Robinson
Greb
Armstrong
Duran
B. Leonard
Charles
Pep
Whitaker
Ali
Wilde
JLP’s
1.*Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Muhammad Ali
6. Roberto Duran
7. Wille Pep
8. Benny Leonard
9. Ray Leonard
10. Larry Holmes
Unstable’s
1.*robinson
2. fitzsimmons
3. grebb
4. langford
5. s.r leonard
6. duran
7. pep
8. e.charles
9. h.armstrong
10. mickey walker
Paulie’s
1.*Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Eder Jofre
3. Roberto Duran
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Sandy Saddler
6. Willie Pep
7. Benny Leonard
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Ray Leonard
10. Ike Williams
11. Jimmy Wilde
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Harry Greb
14. Bob Fitzsimmons
15. Marvin Hagler
16. Gene Tunney
17. Carlos Monzon
18. Fighting Harada
19. Joe Louis
20. Sam Langford
Corporal’s
1.*Ray Robinson
2. Roberto Duran
3. Harry Greb
4. Eder Jofre
5. Ray Leonard
6. Willie Pep
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Henry Armstrong
9. Jimmy Wilde
10. Benny Leonard
11. Fighting Harada
12. Sam Langford
13. Muhammad Ali
14. Terry McGovern
15. Pascual Perez
16. Ike Williams
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Bob Fitzsimmons
19. Jack Dempsey
20. Thomas Hearns
Boswelled’s
01.Ray Robinson
02.Harry Greb
03.Eder Jofre
04.Roberto Duran
05.Jimmy Wilde
06.Sam Langford
07.Benny Leonard
08.Willie Pep
09.Ray Leonard
10.Muhammad Ali
11.Henry Armstrong
12.Jack Dempsey
13.Joe Louis
14.Sandy Saddler
15.Pascual Perez
16.Ike Williams
17.Fighting Harada
18.Ezzard Charles
19.Marcel Cerdan
20.Archie Moore
Upher’s
1.Ray Robinson
2.Roberto Duran
3.Salvador Sanchez
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Jimmy Wilde
6.Archie Moore
7.Carlos Monzon
8..Eder Jofre
9.Harry Greb
10.Willie Pep
11.Aaron Pryor
12.Muhammad Ali
13.Ezzard Charles
14.Sandy Saddler
15.Robert Fitzsimmons
16.Ray Leonard
17.Fighting Harada
18.Joe Louis
19.Marvin Hagler
20.Larry Holmes
Real Joons
1.Ray Robinson
2.Roberto Duran
3.Henry Armstrong
4.Muhammad Ali
5.Willie Pep
6.Pernell Whitaker
7.Ray Leonard
8.Harry Greb
9. Ezzard Charles
10.Joe Louis
11.Benny Leonard
12.Jimmy Wilde
12.Eder Jofre
13.Marvin Hagler
14.Jack Johnson
14.Salvador Sanchez
15.Michael Spinks
16.Larry Holmes
17.Sam Langford
17.Roy Jones
18.Carlos Monzon
19.Archie Moore
20.Stanley Ketchel
Kid Blackie
1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Joe Louis
3 Harry Greb
4 Benny Leonard
5 Henry Armstrong
6 Roberto Duran
7 Bob Fitzsimmons
8 Sam Langford
9 Willie Pep
10 Carlos Monzon
11 Eder Jofre
12 Ezzard Charles
13 Jimmy Wilde
14 Muhammad Ali
15 Sandy Saddler
16 Sugar Ray Leonard
17 Pernell Whitaker
18 Marvin Hagler
19 Archie Moore
20 Joe Gans
CPLE
1.*Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Roberto Duran
4. Harry Greb
5. Muhammad Ali
6. Joe Louis
7. Willie Pep
8. Ray Leonard
9. Sam Langford
10. Ezzard Charles
11. Eder Jofre
12. Benny Leonard
13. Bob Fitzsimmons
14. Jimmy Wilde
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Archie Moore
17. Carlos Monzon
18. Terry McGovern
19. Marvin Hagler
20. Gene Tunney
Kid Huskers
1.*Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Roberto Duran
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Jack Johnson
5. Ray Leonard
6. Willie Pep
7. Eder Jofre
8. Harry Greb
9. Ezzard Charles
10. Salvador Sanchez
11. Jack Dempsey
12. Carlos Monzon
13. Henry Armstrong
14. Michael Spinks
15. Pernell Whitaker
16. Roy Jones Jr.
17. Alexis Arguello
18. Thomas Hearns
19. Charley Burley
20. Sam Langford
Raw Tuna’s
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Roberto Duran
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Sam Langford
5. Harry Greb
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Eder Joffre
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Benny Leonard
10. Willie Pep
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