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    Saul alvarez: Chickenspit or just chicken?

    SAUL ALVAREZ: CHICKENSPIT OR JUST CHICKEN?
    By Pedro Fernandez


    Josesito Lopez
    BOXERS ARE CLOSELY GUIDED, SAUL ALVAREZ IS “GUARDED”
    San Francisco, CA- The job of a manager and promoter is to get your guy/gal the most money for the least amount of risk. But in the case of Saul “Canelo” Alvarez, that concept seems to go a bit deeper. First he wanted to fight James “No Beard” Kirkland, a pressure fighter (who doesn’t take a punch well) that was losing against Carlos Molina several weeks ago before either the Texas State Athletic Commission or referee Jon Schorle, and seeing Schorle isn’t returning emails these days, the question as to who actually stopped the fight goes unanswered. Then they lined up Victor Ortiz, a welterweight (147 lbs) who was coming off a knockout loss to Floyd Mayweather to face Alvarez for his WBC 154 lb. title. But “Humpty Dumpty” AKA Victor Ortiz fell off the wall and broke his jaw against jr. welterweight (140) Josesito Lopez in what might be the biggest upset of the year thus far.
    ORTIZ WAS LUNCHMEAT, LOPEZ IS LESS!
    Ortiz, who suffered a broken jaw against the physically smaller Lopez, this while Alvarez was ringside looking at Victor like he were lunchmeat, took it to Ortiz and forced him to quite after nine completed rounds. Well, if Victor was supposed to be “lunchmeat” for Alvarez, if the WBC and Team Alvarez are serious, then they will take on Josesito Lopez, who is not lunchmeat, just two small slices of bread. What the WBC and Golden Boy Promotions are doing to “coddle” the greener than guacamole Alvarez, is in itself a crime against the sport of boxing. Although Lopez will weigh in over 147 even, thus making him a jr. middleweight, why doesn’t Alvarez fight Vic Darchinyan or somebody in the 118-122 lb. range, I mean they have as much chance as Lopez.
    LOPEZ’S CHANCES FROM DON KING: “SLIM AND NONE, AND SLIM JUST LEFT TOWN”

    Saul "El Pollo" Alvarez
    Having been on the boxing perch for many a moon, I remember when Mexican gladiators were “taken care of” by the WBC, but in Lopez’s corner it seems like WBC czar Jose Sulaiman is “breast feeding” the popular “Canelo” himself. Recalling the ascension of Mexican icon, the late Salvador Sanchez, the WBC tried to baby him but the fighters that were ranked around him were of exceptional talent. Azumah Nelson, Wilfredo Gomez, hell even Ruben Castillo would be rated a level higher than Josesito Lopez and these guys were at or within a few pounds of Sanchez. Naturally speaking, there’s a 14-pound weight difference at the weigh in alone. Seeing Alvarez puts on ten pounds after scaling, matching Josesito Lopez against him would almost be akin to fighting a fighter almost three weight divisions smaller.
    LOPEZ WILL GET A HALF MILLION OR MORE!
    It’s a “win-win” situation for both sides as Alvarez gets a “set up” type of fight, while Lopez earns more money than he could really dream about at his size and this stage of his career. If they want to put this on CBS TV, and they are talking about it, the discrepancy in size is enough to get Lopez seriously hurt. But that’s the mindset of Golden Boy and the WBC, screw tomorrow, or any future this struggling sport but prospering business might be in, as long as we achieve the goal of keeping Alvarez unbeaten, the end will have justified the means. Sad as it might be, nobody really gives a spit about boxers in this country, that’s why we need a Federal Boxing Commission.
    Pedro Fernandez

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    Re: Saul alvarez: Chickenspit or just chicken?

    Pedro Fernandez - yes. the horse's ass of boxing 'writers'. Years ago Jack Fisk told me he had taken Pedro under his wing as a young reporter - then he dumped him after he turned to the cheap and ugly side. The Geraldo Rivera of Boxeo. I see he hasn't lost his toxic touch. (note how Alvarez's initial opponent, Paul Williams, is AWOL from Pedro's insightful screed, a fight he could have lost.) Alvarez has had 41 bouts, the early ones underage here in the states. A classic Mexican upbringing inside the ropes. Who gives a flying fuck about his BS belt - he's a legit contender in his division and all the opponents that fell out for his next bout - to be laid in some fucked up way at his management's feet - is bona fide Pedro Fernandez bullshit.

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    Re: Saul alvarez: Chickenspit or just chicken?

    On a more serious note, if Lopez is next for Canelo, why did his people accept the bout?

    On Alvarez's side of the promotion it looks more like the guy at the dance, frustrated and a bit desperate after being turned down by three of the better looking babes, grabs the hand of the ugly duckling.

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    Re: Saul alvarez: Chickenspit or just chicken?

    Quote Originally Posted by don1234 View Post
    On a more serious note, if Lopez is next for Canelo, why did his people accept the bout?

    On Alvarez's side of the promotion it looks more like the guy at the dance, frustrated and a bit desperate after being turned down by three of the better looking babes, grabs the hand of the ugly duckling.
    By Gabriel F. Cordero
    Word is Josesito Lopez is in final negotiations to be the new opponent of the WBC super welterweight champion Saul Alvarez on September 15 in Las Vegas. Plans are underway for “Canelo” and Lopez to have a promotional tour with stops in Los Angeles, New York, Miami, Texas and Mexico City beginning as soon as July 23. The 27-year-old Lopez moved up from from the 140lb division to defeat former WBC welterweight world champion Victor Ortiz on June 30. He will now move up again to the 154lb division to take on Saul “Canelo” Alvarez, who will do all his training in Los Angeles, California with his trainers Jose ¨Chepo¨ Reynoso and Eddy Reynoso. An official announcement is expected shortly.

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    Re: Saul alvarez: Chickenspit or just chicken?

    Here is what he has weighed fight-to-fight in his career.

    2012-06-23 144¾ Victor Ortiz 146½ 29-3-2
    Staples Center, Los Angeles, California, United States W RTD 9 12
    time: 3:00 | referee: Jack Reiss | judge: Kermit Bayless 85-86 | judge: Marty Denkin 84-87 | judge: Pat Russell 83-88
    vacant WBC Silver welterweight title (supervisor: Michael George)
    Ortiz jaw broken in 9 th

    2011-09-17 140½ Jessie Vargas 142 16-0-0
    MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L SD 10 10
    referee: Tony Weeks | judge: Duane Ford 94-95 | judge: Richard Houck 95-94 | judge: Patricia Morse Jarman 93-96
    Vargas penalized 1 point in rd 8 for low blow

    2011-01-28 140 Mike Dallas Jr 139¾ 17-0-1
    Pechanga Resort & Casino, Temecula, California, United States W KO 7 10
    time: 1:47 | referee: Raul Caiz Jr | judge: Max DeLuca | judge: Barry Druxman | judge: Fritz Werner
    vacant NABF light welterweight title
    Dallas down in rd 7

    2010-11-12 144½ Sergio Rivera 141½ 25-5-2
    Doubletree Hotel, Ontario, California, United States W KO 3 8
    time: 2:58 | referee: Pat Russell | judge: Tony Crebs | judge: David Mendoza | judge: Fritz Werner
    Rivera down once in round 3.

    2010-08-13 143¾ Marvin Cordova Jr 144 21-1-1
    Citizens Business Bank Arena, Ontario, California, United States W UD 8 8
    referee: Pat Russell | judge: Carla Caiz 77-74 | judge: Marty Denkin 78-73 | judge: Barry Druxman 78-73
    Cordova Jr. deducted a point in the eighth round

    2009-09-11 141½ Anthony Mora 141½ 15-3-0
    Doubletree Hotel, Ontario, California, United States W RTD 3 8
    time: 3:00 | referee: Jack Reiss | judge: Jerry Cantu | judge: Marty Denkin | judge: James Jen-Kin

    2009-08-14 141½ Sergio Joel De La Torre 140½ 11-11-3
    Omega Products International, Corona, California, United States W UD 6 6
    referee: Jerry Cantu | judge: Gwen Adair 60-54 | judge: Raul Caiz Jr 60-54 | judge: David Denkin 60-54

    2009-04-17 139½ Patrick Lopez 140 15-1-0
    Doubletree Hotel, Ontario, California, United States W SD 8 8
    referee: Jack Reiss | 77-74 | 77-74 | 75-76
    Patrick down in 5th rd.

    2008-11-29 141½ Alex Perez 142 23-31-4
    Citizens Business Bank Arena, Ontario, California, United States W KO 2 8
    time: 2:36

    2008-04-11 140 Edgar Santana 140 23-3-0
    Miccosukee Indian Gaming Resort, Miami, Florida, United States L MD 10 10
    referee: Jorge Alonso | judge: Mark Streisand 94-94 | judge: Michael Pernick 93-95 | judge: Peter Trematerra 93-95
    Santana down twice in 8th rd.

    2007-11-02 135 Tyrone Harris 133¼ 21-3-0
    Emerald Queen Casino, Tacoma, Washington, United States W UD 8 8
    referee: Bobby Howard | judge: Alan Krebs 79-72 | judge: Barry Druxman 77-74 | judge: Roy Silbert 77-74

    2007-08-18 134½ Luis Antonio Arceo 133½ 19-5-2
    Soboba Casino, San Jacinto, California, United States W KO 6 10
    time: 1:46
    WBC Continental Americas lightweight title
    WBC Youth World lightweight title
    Acero down once in rds 1,2 & 6.

    2007-05-24 137 Octavio Narvaez 141 7-3-1
    Marriott Hotel, Irvine, California, United States W UD 8 8
    referee: Tony Crebs | 79-70 | 79-70 | 80-69

    2007-02-23 134 Armando Cordoba 134½ 23-32-2
    Doubletree Hotel, Ontario, California, United States W RTD 5 8
    time: 3:00 | referee: Jose Cobian

    2006-11-20 134 Adrian Navarrete 135½ 14-2-1
    Doubletree Hotel, Ontario, California, United States W TKO 7 10
    time: 2:43 | referee: David Mendoza
    WBC Continental Americas lightweight title

    2006-08-18 133½ Anthony Martinez 133½ 21-23-3
    Omega Products International, Corona, California, United States W TKO 7 8
    time: 0:25 | referee: Raul Caiz Sr
    Martinez hurt his right arm and was unable to continue.

    2006-07-14 134½ Sammy Ventura 134 23-16-0
    Omega Products International, Corona, California, United States NC ND 1 12
    time: 0:21 | referee: Jack Reiss
    WBC Continental Americas lightweight title
    Ventura unable to continue from accidental headbutt.

    2006-04-08 135 Wes Ferguson 135 12-1-1
    Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L SD 10 10
    referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Chuck Giampa 93-95 | judge: Robert Hoyle 92-97 | judge: Adalaide Byrd 95-94

    2006-02-17 135 Gerardo Zayas 131¾ 16-11-2
    Doubletree Hotel, Ontario, California, United States W UD 10 10
    referee: Jack Reiss | 99-90 | 98-91 | 97-92
    vacant WBC Continental Americas lightweight title

    2005-09-23 130 Jose Luis Tula 129½ 15-11-2
    Omega Products International, Corona, California, United States W UD 10 10
    100-90 | 99-91 | 97-93
    vacant WBC Youth World super featherweight title

    2005-07-29 134 Leonardo Resendiz 134½ 17-8-0
    Omega Products International, Corona, California, United States W TKO 5 10
    time: 2:59 | referee: David Denkin | judge: Gwen Adair | judge: Jerry Cantu | judge: Lou Filippo
    WBC Intercontinental Mundo Hispano Super Featherweight Title

    2005-04-25 128 Gilberto Sanchez Leon 130 16-2-1
    Doubletree Hotel, Ontario, California, United States W UD 10 10
    referee: Tony Crebs | judge: Gwen Adair | judge: Jose Cobian | judge: Fritz Werner
    Vacant WBC Intercontinental Mundo Hispano Super Featherweight Title
    Judges scoring: 99-88, 99-89, 98-90

    2005-02-11 137 Mauricio Borquez 141 12-18-4
    Doubletree Hotel, Ontario, California, United States W TKO 1 6
    time: 1:23 | referee: Raul Caiz Sr

    2004-10-29 132½ Ulises Pena 132 10-4-0
    Doubletree Hotel, Ontario, California, United States W TKO 1 8
    time: 1:10 | referee: Jose Cobian

    2004-08-20 133½ Mauricio Borquez 133½ 12-13-4
    Omega Products International, Corona, California, United States W TKO 1 6
    time: 1:40 | referee: David Denkin | judge: Gwen Adair | judge: Lou Moret | judge: James Jen Kin III

    2004-07-22 132 Juan Carlos Martinez 132 11-22-0
    Athletic Club, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 6 6
    59-54 | 59-54 | 60-53

    2004-06-11 131¾ Oscar Villa 131 3-21-1
    Omega Products International, Corona, California, United States W UD 6 6
    referee: Raul Caiz Jr | judge: Gwen Adair 60-53 | judge: Ray Corona 60-53 | judge: Fritz Werner 60-54
    Judges scores: 60-53, 60-53, 60-54

    2004-03-22 130 Arturo Flores 129 6-5-0
    Doubletree Hotel, Ontario, California, United States W TKO 5 6
    time: 2:05

    2004-01-31 134 Juan Suazo 134 6-1-1
    Dodge Theater, Phoenix, Arizona, United States W UD 4 4
    2003-12-12 134½ Antonio Wong 135 4-1-1
    Edgewater Casino, Laughlin, Nevada, United States W TKO 4 4
    time: 0:37 | referee: Tony Weeks

    2003-11-01 134½ Tony Avila 139 5-2-0
    Stardust Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 6
    time: 1:01 | referee: Robert Byrd

    2003-07-11 136 Jose Cabanillas 137 2-5-1
    City Center Pavilion, Reno, Nevada, United States W TKO 4 6
    time: 0:42 | referee: Norm Budden | judge: Richard Houck | judge: John McSweeny | judge: Herb Santos

    2003-03-28 131 Rodrigo Lopez 129 debut
    Orleans Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L UD 4 4
    referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Bill Bellegia 36-40 | judge: Carol Castellano 36-40 | judge: Chuck Giampa 37-40

    2003-02-21 130½ Marco Antonio Contreras 137½ 1-1-0
    Palace Indian Gaming Center, Lemoore, California, United States W UD 4 4
    40-36 | 40-36 | 39-37

    2003-02-08 131½ Allen Litzau 127 1-0-0
    Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 4
    time: 0:53 | referee: Toby Gibson

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    Re: Saul alvarez: Chickenspit or just chicken?

    Lopez had to put on weight to fight Ortiz. Look at his body definition. And he only weighted 144 ¾.

    If this fight happens, it’s a crying shame. But, then Alvarez won the WBC belt beating welterweight Matthew Hatton thanks to his godfather IBHOF hall of famer Jose Sulemain.


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    Re: Saul alvarez: Chickenspit or just chicken?

    1) Lopez's management (his father?) should look out for the guy. He is, however temporarily, in the spotlight due to his upset win over Ortiz. As a prizefighter he's conditioned to cash in on that win. A re-match with Ortiz would seem to be the best fit, not a mismatch with Canelo.

    2) For the promoters (GBP) it's business as usual. Cut losses and put on a small change non-PPV event. "We tried, guys" is a likely, if not unwarranted, refrain.

    3) The Commission? What planet are we on!

    (Putting the matter into an historical perspective, should little Mickey Walker have been allowed to fight the dinosaurs he went into battle with? Or only the ones he beat?)

    In the NBA playoffs the best team plays the last team to make the playoffs, which usually made the cut by the elastic of their jockstrap. Unlike boxing, nobody gets beaten up in an NBA game. If this fight is as one-sided as some fear, lets hope we have a competent ref and ringside doctor.

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    Re: Saul alvarez: Chickenspit or just chicken?

    Unbeaten junior middleweight alphabet belt holder Saul "Canelo" Alvarez turns 22 on July 18, and Josesito Lopez will be 28 a day later. With the announcement of their next fight, however, the two boxers are enjoying early birthday gifts. Alvarez will enjoy his birthday present more.

    Alvarez (40-0-1, 29 knockouts) will make the fifth defense of his WBC belt against the upset-minded JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT Lopez (30-4, 18 KOs) on Sept. 15.

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    Re: Saul alvarez: Chickenspit or just chicken?

    Golden Boy Promotions has confirmed that their September 15 card at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas will feature undefeated WBC super welterweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez against Josesito Lopez. The card will be a quadrupleheader that also features WBC featherweight world champion Jhonny Gonzalez defending his title against former champ Daniel Ponce De Leon. Remaining bouts will be announced. “We know the exceptional talent we have in Mexican superstar Canelo, and certainly Josesito Lopez deserves the opportunity to face him after his stunning upset victory over Victor Ortiz on June 23,” said Oscar de la Hoya, President of Golden Boy Promotions.

    Canelo Alvarez: I am happy to be fighting Josesito Lopez on Mexican Independence Day weekend and to give all of our fans a tremendous battle. I was ringside for his fight against Victor Ortiz and saw the talent he possesses. It will be very competitive, but nothing can take away my desire to be the best in the sport.

    Josesito Lopez: I know they put me in the ring with Victor Ortiz to have me beat and now they are doing the same thing with Canelo. I was a big underdog with Ortiz and now I’m a bigger underdog with Canelo, but I’m up for the challenge. FIGHTNEWS

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    Re: Saul alvarez: Chickenspit or just chicken?

    I'm giving Josesito my vote as of now for the Mickey Walker Fighting (Way) Above Your Weight Class Award for 2012.

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    Re: Saul alvarez: Chickenspit or just chicken?

    Upcoming bout . . .

    Robert Guerrero's first 29 fights were fought at weights ranging from 125 to 130 pounds. His last 4 fights were fought at the lightweight limit, with the exception of his fight with Casamayor at 138.

    Guerrero's next bout is at 147 pounds against undefeated (23-0 17 KOs) top-rated Selcuk Aydin (for another hocus pocus belt). All of Aydin's fights have been in the 147 pound class.

    Should this bout be sanctioned?

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    Re: Saul alvarez: Chickenspit or just chicken?

    Josesito doesn't belong as a jr. middle. He could make 140 if he wanted to. He was skinny at 144 and made welter easily. Alvarez is a very big, thick, strong, true jr. middle, with speed and snap.

    That said, Lopez has height, reach, footwork, speed, just enough pop to get respect, and enough footwork, condition, and toughness that I don't think he's just a lamb being led to slaughter, and will be more competitive than some may think. Plus, he won't have to do any work to make weight, so he'll come in eating and drinking liquids to his heart's content, whereas Alvarez I think has to work hard to make weight. And Saul does not keep the fastest pace in the world, so I don't think Josesito is going to be totally overwhelmed.

    But yes, this is a jr. middle going up against a blown up jr. welter.

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