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    The Jewels In Jerry’s Crown: Quarry at His Very Best

    The Jewels In Jerry’s Crown: Quarry at His Very Best

    By Mike Casey from Boxing Scene

    When you got past the marriage problems, the managerial changes and the hard luck circumstances, you came upon the greatest problem of all with the talented Jerry Quarry: his head. What went on in Jerry’s mind was always the major factor, the greatest frustration, the toughest opponent.

    In his straight talking way, boxing’s eternal Comeback Kid from the Los Angeles suburb of Bellflower always acknowledged his biggest failing. After boxing with admirable prudence and restraint to score his greatest victory over the dangerous Ron Lyle in 1973, Quarry sat in his dressing room and jabbed a finger at the tough old melon atop his muscled shoulders and thick neck. “The big difference with me as a fighter now is right here,” he said.

    Ah, but it wasn’t. Not really. And we probably wouldn’t have loved him half as much if it had been. Jerry’s volatility was the principal and oddly loveable reason for his magnetism. We kept tuning into the next episode because we had to see whether he would finally put the pieces together and cross the finishing line.

    In the crucial fights of his career, Quarry belied his undoubted ring intelligence by employing the wrong tactics when his fierce pride gridlocked his fighting brain. He was the thoughtful counter puncher who chose to slug it out with the prime slugger of the age in Joe Frazier. He was too careful and too patient with smart cookie Jimmy Ellis.
    But it was never as simple as that with Jerry. Aside from the strategic errors, there was ill fortune and the occasionally unfathomable. He was the victim of genuine bad luck in his first fight with Muhammad Ali and ambushed by the downright bizarre in his stunning loss to George Chuvalo.

    Even on his winning nights, Jerry would sometimes look listless and distracted, as if his opponent was the least of his tormentors. Like poor old Jacob Marley in ‘A Christmas Carol’, one imagined Quarry dragging a great chain in his wake for his sins.

    Colourful

    Jerry Quarry was a colourful, good-looking Southern Californian of Irish descent, whose erratic ring form constantly bewildered his critics and even his most ardent fans. He would counter exasperating defeats with spectacular victories and send his supporters yo-yoing from joy to despair and back again.

    He seemed to relish being written off, for that was when he produced his greatest performances. Praise and acceptance seemed to have the reverse effect, bringing out the negative side of his personality and shattering his ambitions at the most untimely moments.

    From the beginning of his career, Quarry was hailed as a potentially great heavyweight, and on his better days he justified such praise by beating some of the finest men in the business. Again and again, he manoeuvred himself tantalisingly close to the world championship, only to stumble and fall in the crucial fights. He could win the pennant but he could never make it through the play-offs.

    Such setbacks reminded us of the only real chink in Quarry’s armour: the jumbled mind that all too frequently jammed the controls of an otherwise formidable fighting machine. That mind would only become unclogged when penetrated by harsh criticism or the implication that its owner didn’t have what it takes. Then Jerry would shake himself down and show the world his great talent.

    Quarry’s failure to reach the pinnacle of his profession is an everlasting tribute to his incredible allure. He possessed that special charisma that the gods normally reserve for only a handful of champions. When a certain boxing publication conducted a popularity poll of past and present day fighters in the early seventies, Quarry’s name ranked alongside those of Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali.

    Jerry’s inconsistency could be infuriating, yet his chances against any man could never be discounted. His disciples kept the faith because Quarry always seemed on the verge of catching fire and realising his magnificent potential.

    He had all the necessary physical attributes at his disposal. He looked every inch a fighter, a rock of a man with a thick chest, powerful shoulders and solid legs. He had a powerful punch and a good chin. He was tough and rugged, very much the All-American boy in his early days with his close cropped hair and crooked smile.

    But the rain clouds always seemed to home in on Jerry. Inevitably, he inherited the ‘Great White Hope’ mantle, with which he felt genuinely uncomfortable. There was the hate mail from obsessive fans who expected too much. There was the family and in-laws who trailed along with him to all his fights.

    The story goes that father Jack Quarry laced gloves on Jerry when his son was just five years of age. When other kids bullied him, Jerry would stand his ground and fight back. As an amateur, he once said, “I feel a great challenge every time I get into the ring. I feel that I am fighting for my life and I must win.”

    Let us not forget that Jerry Quarry did win a lot of important fights too, mostly as the underdog. He won them in style and he won them thrillingly. The Bellflower Belter at his very best was something to see.

    Thad Spencer

    Thad Spencer, out of Portland, Oregon, was the coming man. He had soared to number two in The Ring ratings and many believed he had the beating of Joe Frazier in the heavyweight scramble for supremacy that followed Muhammad Ali’s exile into limbo in 1967. While Muhammad would scrap with the Army draft board and the courts for the thick end of three years, the young tigers in his wake would chase the prized crown.
    Spencer was a good stylist with a solid punch who had compiled a 32-5 record and accounted for the respected likes of Roger Rischer, Billy Daniels, Brian London, Doug Jones and Amos ‘Big Train’ Lincoln. There was nothing sensational about Thad, but he was knocking off the right men and getting the job done.

    When the WBA organised its eight-man elimination tournament to find a successor to Ali, Spencer got off to a flyer with a unanimous win over the long-time leading contender, Ernie Terrell. Jerry Quarry, by contrast, only squeaked past former champ Floyd Patterson on a controversial decision.

    Jerry was a 7 to 5 underdog when he squared off with Spencer on February 3, 1968. Thad was the heavier man by seven and a half pounds at 200 ½, but Quarry was a revelation as he systematically tore the Oregon man apart. The cheers and roars from the crowd of 12.110 thundered around the Oakland Arena as Jerry took control and set up an epic finish.

    He floored Spencer in the fourth round with a looping left hook to the chin and again in the tenth with a short, chopping right to the jaw. In each case, there were only seconds remaining in the round as the crowd went wild. Referee Jack Downey, distracted by the cacophony of sound, continued counting to the mandatory eight on both occasions.

    Quarry cut the coup de grace just as fine. There were just three seconds left in the twelfth and final round when he jumped on Thad like a tiger. Jerry lashed Spencer with a tremendous barrage of punches, but the significant blow was a big right to the head that set Thad wobbling and scattered him into no man’s land. Spencer tried to clutch and survive but he couldn’t shunt himself out of the line of fire as Quarry rifled lefts and rights to the head to force referee Downey’s stoppage.

    Thad Spencer was never the same fighter again. He had eight more fights and lost them all.

    Quarry was jubilant and spoke with the confidence of a man who was just weeks away from fulfilling his dream. “I just fought a smart fight and it paid off,” Jerry said. “He hit me one good shot in the whole fight, a left hook in the fifth round that hurt. I told everybody I’d prove I was faster than he was. I knocked him down with the right, which they said I didn’t have.”

    Little more than two months later, Jerry was back at the Oakland Arena for the big one against crafty Jimmy Ellis. It was a fight that Quarry could have won and really should have won. You look at the tape even now and wonder why Jerry kept holding back in a close fight that was his for the taking. He still got a draw from judge Rudy Ortega, who saw it 6-6-3. But Elmer Costa scored it big for Ellis at 10-5, while former champ Fred Apostoli also had Jimmy winning by 7-5-3.

    Quarry suffered a back injury and was in a body cast for weeks afterwards. It was the beginning of a long cycle of frustration.

    Buster Mathis

    By the time he got to big Buster Mathis on March 24, 1969, Jerry had done little to convince the fight fraternity that he had any new tricks. Ring editor Nat Fleischer admitted to giving up on him. Jerry had eased his way back since his back injury, posting four wins against modest opposition in Bob Mumford, Willis Earls, Charlie Reno and Aaron Eastling.

    Mathis, a goliath of the age at 234 1/2lbs, was pitting his deceptively skilful bulk against Quarry’s 196. Buster was in the form of his life, having suffered just one defeat in his 30 fights, a brave and honourable loss to Joe Frazier at that. Buster was unfairly derided in some quarters for being something of a cartoon character, but he was a fine boxer and an immensely difficult man to knock over. Frazier had hacked at him for the best part of eleven rounds before finally felling him like a big oak tree.

    Mathis had reeled off six victories since that derailment, including a bloody and emphatic points win over George Chuvalo just a month before meeting Quarry.

    Buster was a 12 to 5 favourite over Jerry when they clashed at Madison Square Garden. The scuttlebutt on the fight beat was that Quarry was incapable of changing his style and would be picked off and possibly stopped by Mathis.

    Jerry loved that kind of talk. It had the effect of a liberal shot of Scotch firing through his blood. From the opening bell, the cautious counter puncher turned downright vicious. Yet there was nothing reckless or needlessly cavalier about the boxing lesson that Quarry gave Mathis.

    Establishing his authority from the outset with a charging two-fisted attack, Jerry settled down to fashion an aggressive but intelligent performance. Piece by piece, he took Buster apart, switching the attack from head to body and wearing down the big man’s body.

    When Mathis split his black velvet trunks down the back in the second round, it was the least of his problems. A left hook to the side of the head from Quarry shuddered through Buster’s body and finally cut the right wire. Mathis hovered momentarily in his dazed state and then dropped to one knee near the ropes. Jerry saw his chance to end the fight early but was too eager in his subsequent attack and failed to find the payoff punch before the bell. He didn’t have the KO but he had Buster’s number.

    It was a virtuoso performance on Quarry’s part. He capped it by bloodying Buster’s nose in the tenth and by dropping his hands and inviting the big man to hit him in the eleventh.

    The fight wasn’t a shutout for Jerry, but it was the next best thing. Judges Jack Gordon and Tony Castellano tabbed it 10-1-1 for Quarry, while referee Johnny Colan saw it 9-2-1.

    “A man that size has to be weak in the body and I just took advantage of it,” Quarry said.

    Nat Fleischer certainly changed his opinion of Jerry, commenting, “I saw Quarry, a 12 to 5 second choice, take Buster Mathis apart the way a top flight automobile mechanic will unscramble the components of a delicately made Ferrari. Not that Buster is delicately made.”

    Mac Foster

    By the dawn of the seventies, Jerry Quarry had one foot in the last chance saloon as a major league player. What should have been a golden year in 1969 had gone steadily downhill after his masterful performance against Mathis, ending in disaster and near farce.

    Jerry got it into his head that he could beat Joe Frazier in a head-to-head slugging match in an audacious bid for Joe’s version of the heavyweight championship. It was certainly a treat for the fans, and the opening frame of that memorable war went into the record books as the round of the year. But Quarry’s tactics against a great brawler in the prime of his life only served to bring Jerry the limited glory and lifespan of a kamikaze pilot. He was savagely beaten in seven rounds on a fiercely hot New York night and then thrown out into the cold six months later when he staggered into the surreal mire of George Chuvalo’s winter wonderland. Seemingly heading for a points win, Quarry was knocked down by a Chuvalo haymaker in the seventh round, arose at the count of three, dropped back to his knee to clear his head and then missed referee Zach Clayton’s cry of ‘ten’. Man, did Jerry holler in his dressing room after that one. The entire world was against him.

    When Quarry came into his fight against the highly touted Mac Foster at Madison Square Garden on June 17, 1970, the badly tarnished ‘Great White Hope’ had notched just two meaningless wins since the Chuvalo disaster. A second round bombing of the little known Rufus Brassell had been followed by a laboured points win over that tough old journeyman, George ‘Scrapiron’ Johnson.

    Mac Foster was the new kid in town, all the way from Fresno, California, having won all of his 24 fights by knockout. Like his fellow prospect, the young George Foreman, Mac had feasted mainly on weak opposition, but he had vaulted to the number one spot in The Ring ratings. Some kind of tasty trailer invariably heralds the arrival of such a hot young heavyweight prospect, and the story about Foster was that he had reportedly knocked the ageing Sonny Liston unconscious during a sparring session.

    Whatever the true quality of Mac’s credentials, he started a 7 to 5 favourite over Quarry, out-reached Jerry by nine inches and outweighed him by 14lbs.

    But Foster was suddenly in New York, at the Mecca of boxing itself. Despite his lofty ranking, he was also taking his first dip into genuine world class. It was an entirely different scenario from the gentler fight towns of Fresno and Houston and the simpler business of knocking over the likes of the jaded Cleveland Williams.

    Mac was cautious from the opening bell against Quarry. Keeping Jerry at bay with a raking, tentative jab, the bomber from Fresno kept his power in the locker. Only occasionally did he venture a left hook to the head, and Quarry quickly picked up the scent of fear and uncertainty. By the fourth round, Jerry had got his bearings and formulated the appropriate game plan. From the fourth round, he began to move in and attack Mac’s body with sudden flurries, looking to rough up the big man.

    Foster seemed confused by Quarry’s raids, which included some meaty hooks to the body. Jerry worked busily on the inside in the fifth, softening his opponent and teeing him up for the big onslaught that would follow.

    Quarry sensed the time was right in the sixth round and went to work in earnest. Foster’s ineffective jab was giving him no protection and his ignorance of how to survive in the major league became alarmingly apparent.

    Jerry began a sustained assault, forcing Mac to take flight. But Foster couldn’t find a place to hide, and a countering right hand smash pushed him nearer to the cliff’s edge. He slipped and nearly toppled over in a neutral corner and then found himself trapped on the ropes as Quarry let rip and unleashed the big bombs. Somehow Foster extricated himself, but Jerry pursued him to the opposite corner and drove home the payoff blows. Mac collapsed onto the ring apron, shattered and bleeding from a cut to his face. Referee Johnny LoBianco reached the count of three before signalling the end of the fight.

    Ron Lyle

    Was there ever a better Jerry Quarry than the cool and disciplined boxing master who gave the thunder-punching Ron Lyle such a brilliant lesson in the noble art? Everything had altered for the better in Jerry’s muddled life by the night of February 9, 1973.
    Radical changes had been a necessity. Nearly three years after the Mac Foster triumph, Quarry had been twice beaten by Muhammad Ali and had failed to balance the scales with uninspired points wins over Dick Gosha, Tony Doyle, Lou Bailey and Larry Middleton. Only a first round blitz of British champion Jack Bodell in London had seen Jerry at his fiery best.

    His muddled private life and marriage problems had spiralled out of control and driven him to the point of despair.

    Switching his base of operations from Los Angeles to New York and placing himself under the shrewd tutelage of Gil Clancy, the calmer and more mature Quarry gained a new lease of life and entered the golden phase of his turbulent career.

    Gone was the fresh-faced, crew cut kid, supplanted by a tougher and worldlier man. So long had Jerry been hanging around, you had to remind yourself that he was still only twenty-seven.

    He must have experienced a distinct feeling of deja-vu when he checked out the dossier on Ron Lyle. For here was another big man, another big puncher with an unblemished record, another hot shot on a roll. But big Ron would thrillingly prove in the years ahead that he was no false alarm. He was a better, tougher, harder fighter than Thad Spencer, Buster Mathis and Mac Foster ever were.

    Ron started late in the professional ranks after a seven and a half-year prison term for second degree murder, but he hit the ground running. He had steamed to 19 successive victories and only Leroy Caldwell and Manuel Ramos had taken him the distance. Lyle, under the guidance of trainer Bobby Lewis, had been matched sensibly against a group of name opponents who were either on the slide or ripe to be picked off. Among Ron’s knockout victims were Jack O’Halloran, Bill Drover, Chuck Leslie, Scrapiron Johnson, Vicente Rondon, Buster Mathis and Luis Faustino Pires.

    However, Lyle’s most recent triumph was a victory of genuine quality, a third round demolition of Larry Middleton, who had given Quarry a tough distance fight in London just seven months before.

    So Jerry was back at his old stomping ground at Madison Square Garden, now an adopted New York son, but otherwise smack in the middle of a familiar old scenario. He was the lighter man by 19lbs at 200lbs even. He was the whipping boy with the golden name that would look great on Ron Lyle’s hit list. Others had tripped and stumbled over the apparent carcass that was Quarry, but the dead man walking would surely have the decency to follow the script this time. He was coming off a somewhat laboured TKO of Randy Neumann, and dear old Randy was no Ron Lyle.

    This, then, was the backdrop. You could almost hear Jerry chomping at the bit.

    What followed was an astonishingly authoritative and overwhelming performance. Trainer Gil Clancy, who had patiently drummed the importance of self-discipline into Quarry, must have gone to seventh heaven on that memorable February night. How often does any fighter follow a structured game plan to perfection? Jerry was sensational.

    A certain, tight atmosphere lingers over a crowd when it expects an underdog to be crushed, like the eerie silence in the midst of a storm that precedes the next clap of thunder. Quarry went to work in such an atmosphere that night and made hay. He marked his territory in the opening round when he missed with a left hook and then shot a right to Ron’s head that made the big man’s knees dip.

    Jerry never looked back as he fought shrewdly on the outside and planned his sudden raids with immaculate timing. Another short right in the fifth round buckled Lyle’s knees again, but Quarry was beaten by the bell as he followed up with a salvo of shots to the head.

    Jerry continued to shake Ron with rights and flashing left hooks to the head as the shockingly one-sided fight wore on. Lyle’s feet seemed cemented to the canvas as he was skilfully picked off and rattled by a much more worldly and intelligent foe. Any chink of light for Ron quickly disappeared. He was getting the better of things in the eighth round when Jerry suddenly sent him reeling with a big left hook and pounded him with a succession of shots before the bell.

    When it was all over, Quarry had breezed home in the performance of his life. Referee Wally Schmidt saw a closer fight than most, returning a 7-4-1 card. Judges Bill Recht and Tony Castellano tabbed it 9-1-2 and 10-2 for Quarry respectively.

    In his dressing room, a jubilant Jerry couldn’t resist crowing and rubbing a few faces in the dirt. “I’m not finished and I don’t have to go into another trade like some people said I should. I proved that. Everybody puts me down because I lose the big fights. They say I just beat the bums. They’re crazy as hell. I think Ronnie sitting right here is one helluva fighter.”

    Earnie Shavers

    A certain fellow from Warren, Ohio, was also one helluva fighter on his night and one helluva puncher into the bargain. Earnie Shavers was out to wreck Quarry’s perfect year of 1973 when the two men faced off at Madison Square Garden on December 14.

    The stats boys loved to number crunch Earnie, because the exercise didn’t require too much exertion. He had lost only two fights and knocked out all but two of his 47 victims. Shavers was a banger and how he could bang. He had wrecked the clever Jimmy Young in three rounds and was coming off a one round blitz of former WBA champ, Jimmy Ellis.

    Then Earnie met Jerry and it was all over in two minutes and twenty-one seconds. Riding high and full of confidence, Quarry crashed a left hook to the temple of Shavers and sent him staggering into the ropes. Always a clinical finisher, Jerry kept firing as Earnie descended into the abyss. A right to the face sent Shavers down, scattering his mind and taking the life from his legs. He got up unsteadily, reeled into a corner and was rescued by referee Arthur Mercante.

    Everyone was hugely impressed by Quarry’s performance, including world champion George Foreman, who agreed that Jerry was a deserving challenger. How the fans clamoured for a Foreman-Quarry showdown!

    Well, Big George never did fight Juggernaut Jerry, and perhaps it is just as well. Would Jerry have won? No.

    Alas, for the same old oddly endearing reason.

    * Mike Casey is a boxing journalist and historian and a staff writer with Boxing Scene. He is a member of the International Boxing Research Organization (IBRO) and founder and editor of the Grand Slam Premium Boxing Service for historians and fans (www.grandslampage.net).

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    JERRY QUARRY'S CAREER RECORD:

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    Jerry Quarry

    Born: May 15, 1945 Los Angeles
    Died: January 3, 1999, Los Angeles

    Amateur Record: 170-13 (54 kayos)
    Pro Record: 53-9-4 (33 kayos)
    "Every time he swung, his elbows went flying out.
    I knew then that this guy just had to get hit!"

    -- Jerry Quarry, following 64-second kayo of Jack Bodell


    1965
    --- Wins Western Regional Golden Gloves Championship
    --- National Golden Gloves Champion
    May 7 Gene Hamilton Los Angeles W 4
    Jun 4 John Henry Jackson Los Angeles KO 4
    Jun 17 Lance Holmberg Los Angeles W 6
    Jun 25 Dave Centi Los Angeles W 6
    Jul 16 Willie Davis Los Angeles KO 3
    Jul 29 Ray Ellis Los Angeles W 6
    Aug 9 John Henry Jackson Kansas City KO 4
    Aug 27 J.P. Spencer Los Angeles KO 4
    Sep 24 Ray Ellis Los Angeles KO 3
    Oct 13 Melvin Manley Kansas City KO 1
    Oct 29 Al Carter Los Angeles KO 6
    Nov 2 Ray Crear San Antonio KO 3
    Nov 11 Tony Doyle Los Angeles D 10
    Dec 24 Ray Crear Los Angeles KO 3

    1966
    Feb 3 Ed Land Las Vegas W 8
    Feb 17 Prentice Snipes Los Angeles KO 5
    Mar 4 Tony Alongi New York D 10
    Apr 7 George "Scrapiron"Johnson Los Angeles KO 2
    May 2 Al Jones Kansas City W 10
    May 28 Tony Alongi Los Angeles D 10
    Jul 15 Eddie Machen Los Angeles L 10
    Oct 20 Bill Neilsen Los Angeles W 10
    Nov 29 Leslie Bordon Los Angeles KO 5
    Dec 15 Joey Orbillo Los Angeles W 10

    1967
    Jan 11 Al Jones San Francisco KO 5
    Mar 9 Brian London Los Angeles W 10
    Apr 27 Alex Miteff Los Angeles KO 3
    Jun 9 Floyd Patterson Los Angeles D 10
    Sep 15 Billy Daniels Los Angeles KO 1
    Oct 28 Floyd Patterson Los Angeles W 12
    (WBA Heavyweight Elimination Tournament)

    1968
    Feb 3 Thad Spencer Oakland KO 12
    (WBA Heavyweight Elimination Tournament)
    Apr 27 Jimmy Ellis Oakland L 15
    (For Vacant WBA Heavyweight Title)
    Nov 11 Bob Mumford Phoenix KO 5
    Nov 19 Willis Earls San Antonio W 10

    1969
    Jan 10 Charley Reno Seattle KO 5
    Jan 26 Aaron Eastling Canton, OH KO 5
    Mar 24 Buster Mathis New York W 12
    Jun 23 Joe Frazier New York KO by 7
    (For New York Heavyweight Title)
    Aug 11 John Carroll St. Paul, MN KO 1
    Sep 3 Brian London Oakland KO 2
    Dec 12 George Chuvalo New York KO by 7

    1970
    Mar 3 Rufus Brassell Miami Beach KO 2
    Mar 19 George Johnson Los Angeles W 10
    Jun 17 Mac Foster New York KO 6
    Sep 8 Stamford Harris Miami Beach KO 6
    Oct 26 Muhammad Ali Atlanta KO by 3

    1971
    Jun 18 Richard Gosha Seattle W 10
    Jul 24 Tony Doyle Lake Geneva, WI W 10
    Nov 16 Jack Bodell London KO 1
    Dec 2 Lou Bailey Des Moines, IA W 10

    1972
    Apr 17 Eduardo Corletti Los Angeles KO 1
    May 9 Larry Middleton London W 10
    Jun 27 Muhammad Ali Las Vegas KO by 7

    1973
    Jan 5 Randy Neumann New York KO 7
    Feb 9 Ron Lyle New York W 12
    Aug 31 James J. Woody Las Vegas KO 2
    Sep 10 Tony Doyle Los Angeles KO 4
    Dec 14 Earnie Shavers New York KO 1

    1974
    May 8 Joe Alexander New York KO 2
    Jun 17 Joe Frazier New York KO by 5

    1975
    Feb 25 George Johnson Honolulu W 10
    Mar 24 Ken Norton New York KO by 5

    1976
    Inactive

    1977
    Feb 15 Mike Quarry Seattle, WA Exh
    Nov 5 Lorenzo Zanon Las Vegas KO 9

    1978-82
    Inactive

    1983
    Aug 31 Lupe Guerra Albuquerque KO 1
    Nov 21 James Williams Bakersfield, CA W 10

    1984-91
    Inactive

    1992
    Oct 30 Ron Cramner WI L 6

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    Larry Middleton and Jerry Quarry

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    Here's Jerry Quarry

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    Jerry in later years

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    Jerry and Jack Quarry

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    compliments to mike casey for a fine article. speaking as a former L.A. kid who idolized jerry quarry......you got it right and spoke it well.
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    Floyd Patterson vs Jerry Quarry


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    My hero when I was growing up. Jerry Quarry, What a watse of skill and talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbig1
    My hero when I was growing up. Jerry Quarry, What a watse of skill and talent.
    Why do you say watse?

    He did the best he could with the skills that he had, he had nothing to be ashamed off.

    Frank B.

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    Re: The Jewels In Jerry’s Crown: Quarry at His Very Best

    I think like the article said Jerry could be his own worst enemy.I guess sometimes he let his emotions get the best of him and didn't fight certain bouts like he could have.

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    Floyd Patterson said ( IF Jerry Quarry fought with half his potenial he would have been great.)

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    Waste of Talant ?
    How can anyone say that. Jerry wasn't exactly born with physical gifts in regards to size, speed, or power. He got the most out of what he had. Yes, he did underestimate Eddie Machen, and maybe some of his early draws were less than steller performances, but after 1969 ?

    Look at his post 1968 losses: He fought Jimmy Ellis with a disc injury. Maybe he should have pressed more, but style-wise ellis is a hard fight. He isn't beating Frazier or Ali, no matter what style he uses. He had to jump Frazier early in their first fight, what, do people think he is going to beat Frazier by out boxing him ? He'd have been gassed by the 5th round, he has to back Joe up, and he ain't backing him up by fighting Joe on his toes. Frazier's a bitch for counterpunchers that arn't big hitters, by swarming them, he forces them to throw punches just to keep Joe off them, they eventually fade at Joe's pace. Jerry was also in unbelievable shape for Frazier I and trained his ass off and was very confident. Joe was just better.

    Ali ? It ain't easy for a counter puncher to counter a guy with Ali's speed. In fact in their second fight, you'll see Jerry actually try to swarm Ali out of a crouch ala Frazier (after Jerry was getting killed early), but it wasn't Jerry's style. And, Jerry was in excellant condition for Ali II as well.

    Chuvalo was a fluke. jerry was way ahead, got nailed and tried to take a 9 count. But as far as underacheiving in that fight ? Jerry looked okay to me.

    Norton ? Jerry was shot and took the fight on short notice (less than two weeks I believe). He still gave Ken a tough fight considering.

    Jerry stood in there with some big-ass hitters (Lyle, Shavers, Foster) and overcame a lot to be as good as he was. He is far closer to being an overacheiver than an underacheiver. He ain't beating Ali or Frazier even if his life depended on it. Maybe pre-1968 he lacked maturity, but post "68" ?

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    another excellant article--jerry at his best was a tough skilled throw back.he came to fight and box.

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    I think Quarry was very talented. His most obvious gifts were handspeed (not a huge edge here but he was quicker than most heavyweights), two fisted power (but let's face it, the left hook was what he was known for), fighting spirit, and a cast iron jaw. I would consider him more talented and versatile than Joe Frazier. He was certainly the better counter puncher and arguable a more skillful and cool headed infighter. Frazier was simply a bigger and more relentless puncher who did not tire and continued to press you no matter what you threw at him (unless your name is George Foreman). Few heavyweights in history would have been able to handle the kind of pressure Smokin' Jope dished out. So Frazier was better than Quarry, but then again we're talking about a top ten all time great HW champion. The same goes for Ali. If you want to compare Quarry to the all time greats, okay he comes up looking a little short in the talent department, but for a contenderr (since that's what he was) he was a rare mix of will and skill capable of hanging with the very best in the division's history. A boxing engagement with Quarry is not an easy night for any man that ever lived.

    Quarry's career was loaded with dissapointment but a lack of talent was never Quarry's problem; he was a very gifted fighter. Quarry's biggest problem was that he had the hard luck of fighting in one of the strongest heavyweight eras of all time. If he had been born a few years earlier, and reached his prime say during the early 60's, I think he would have beaten the inexperienced Ali who was troubled by Doug Jones's infighting. I also think a prime Quarry would have been a serious test for a near prime Liston. His durability and damaging counter punching on the inside would have been the perfect answer to Liston's long range boxing, if he could get passed that jab. What a fight that would be.

    I'm with George Foreman in rating Quarry one of the best heavyweights to never win the crown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbig1
    My hero when I was growing up. Jerry Quarry, What a watse of skill and talent.
    It would be wrong to consider Quarry a waste of talent, or an underachiever. Quarry went as far as he could in the talent loaded heavyweight division of his day, and if not for the presence of Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Norton, he definitely would have held the title for a while.

    Between 1967 and 1973, Quarry consistently beat the division's best fighters.

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    Quarry was my favorite fighter growing up and one of the best fighters never to win a title. He would fit in to any era in boxing and might have been a champion if he fought in prior era's. For example, lets say he came around after Marciano in late 1956/early '57. Who beats him? Maybe he has a 4 or 5 year reign until Liston....maybe he even beats Sonny and reigns until Ali comes along in '64.

    Also, say he came into his own after Dempsey. I make him even money vs Tunney....who else beats him between Tunney & Louis? I say he beats Sharkey, Schmeling, Carnera and Baer & Braddock. Again, maybe another 5 or 6 year reign.

    I say he loses to Dempsey, Louis & Marciano. Likely loses to Liston, but I could see him beat Sonny. As far as Ali & Frazier, they had his number. Nothing to be ashamed of there. I'd make him a live underdog vs Foreman....his counterpunching skills may have gotten him by George. I'd also make him a tough match for Holmes. Larry more than likely beats him in a competitive fight. I also make him even money vs Tyson, Holyfield & Lewis. Today, he beats anybody thats around. Prior to Dempsey, I take him over any of the Heavyweight Champs.Maybe not Johnson. At best, maybe 12 Heavyweight Champs beat him on his best day. Oh...Quarry at his best knocks out Ken Norton.

    Waste of skill and talent? No way. Arguably one of the top heavyweights of all time who unfortunately fought in one of the best era's in heavyweight history. Who knows how good, or possibly great, he might have been.

    Likely among the top 13-15 heavyweights of all time....possibly higher.
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    Supposedly (I'm going by what I've learned on this board and a few others like it -- no first-hand knowledge), Quarry near his peak absolutely outclassed Norton in the gym, even to the point of knocking him kicking in a sparring session. You've got to give Kenny a lot of credit for doing as much as he did with what he had, but you also have to remember that he was a champ who never won a title fight (though he was screwed more royally than the Queen of England ever was in the third Ali match). PeteLeo.

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    Jerry Quarry vs Floyd Patterson

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    Jerry Quarry vs Joe Frazier


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    Jerry Quarry vs Rufus Brassell...1970


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