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  1. #1
    GorDoom
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    CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/05

    Per usual I will give updates & the result immediately upon the conclusion of the bouts tonight. Please keep all discussion of this card to this thread. Redundant threads will be deleted.

    thanks,

    GorDoom

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    Carlos Hernandez engaged with Manny's brother, Bobby Pacquiao in a relatively cautious 1st round Pac displaying a lot of movement against the stalking Hernandez.

    GorDoom

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    Pac is boxing & landing well but there isn't much on his punches. Suddenly at the end of the round Chavez suffers a flash knockdown from Pac.

    GorDoom

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    Pac comes out aggresively & beats on Famoso the 1st half of the round. Famoso starts to bang back heavily to the body & head in the last half of the round. Hernandez probably edged out the round.

    GorDoom

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    In the 4th Hernandez is landing heavy, clean, shots to the body & head. Famoso seems to be taking over the fight. But Pac is definitely game.

    GorDoom

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    In the 5th Pac is tirieng & his movement has slowed. Carlos continues to grind away. Ringside reporters have Pac ahead which I disagree with but I'm not really scoring the fight.

    GorDoom

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    Hernandez has really been working the body & it's obvious Pac is tireing & has no steam on his punches. Famoso finishes with an effective flurry.

    GorDoom

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    While both of them continue to exchange regularly it's obvious Famoso has the heavier hands. Hernandez is definitely taking over the fight.

    GorDoom

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    My laptop started screwing up after the 7th- justcgot it back & they gave Pac a split D which I totally disagree with. Hernandez dominated after the 3rd.

    I'm going to skip the Chavez Jr, fight because I don't care & i want to eat dinner. I'll be back for the Arcel fight.

    GorDoom

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    gregbeyer
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    oooops...gordooms lap top doinked.

    in a very tough fight bobby pac gets a questionable split decision over carlos hernandez.
    greg

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    I be back. JC Jr. looked relatively impressive vs. sacrificial lamb, Stires, stopping him in the 5th round.

    GorDoom

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    Upcoming the rematch of Jorge Arce vs. the unfortunately named Hussein Hussein who I will refer to as H from this point on. This could be a real good one, their first fight was a real barn burner.

    GorDoom

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    Jorge Arce & H started off the first much more slowly than the first time but almost two minutes in Arce scored a KD with a right but H got up & looks okay. Boxing to the end of the round. Even with the KD Arce is not as aggressive as the first fight.

    GorDoom

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    in the 2nd Arce continues to stalk H who is doing his best to stay off the ropes. Arce starts to smother H & decks H with a left hook. For no apparent reason trainer Fenech suddenly throws in the towel.

    Amazing!

    H bounced up quickly & did not appear hurt. What the hell was Fenech thinking?

    GorDoom

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    Fenech left the ring with H without giving any explanation. Ref Bayliss said he was a little rocked but wasn't about to stop it.

    GD

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    Corrales & Castillo picked up right where they left off, nose to nose, balls to the walls. Castillo is starting quicker & more aggresively than usual. Castillo takes the round in my book.

    GD

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    On another note the Tarver - Jones replay is on HBO right after this fight.

    Castillo & Corrales are doing a replay of their first fight. Corrales is starting to get a little busted up like last time. Back & forth exchanges this fight is looking to be as good as the first,

    I'm not really scoring but I thought Castillo shaded the round.

    GD

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    In the begining of the 3rd Castillo looks a little sharper. 2 minutes in Castilloo rocks & wobbles Corrales hard who comes back aggresisvely.

    Again I feel Castillo took the round.

    GD

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    Castillo levels Corrales with a big left hook. Corrales gets up shakily at about 9 i/2 & ref Cortez calls off the fight.

    Castillo was stronger & sharper throughout the fight. Corrales while in it never looked like he really got untracked. Helluva hook by Castillo! Of course this was not up to the last fight because Castillo dominated from the start & really busted up Corrales.

    Good stoppage by ref Cortez.

    GorDoom
    P.S. Remember the Tarver -Jones replay is on at 9:45 Pacific time on HBO.

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    Hitman Heitzie
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    Thanks for covering the fight GorDoom.
    I was hoping that Showtime will replay this as well as the Arce-Hussein fight since I had to work tonight. The action was a little abbreviated. Does anybody think that the exra weight helped Castillo? I thought that trying to take the weight off would hurt him, if anything. At least there was no question about who won this fight.

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    Roberto Aqui
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    Were the ring weights given before the fight? Makes you wonder what Castillo might do in a Mayweather rubber match.

  22. #22
    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    You're welcome, Hitman. The CBZ considers it a big part of it's mandate to cover the big fights. Not everybody has access & no one knows better than me the frustration of not knowing what's going on in a big fight.

    My worst moment ever was the first Pryor-Arguelo fight. I ran around for hours in San Francisco to every bar in town trying to find the fight & never did.

    I was pissed!!!

    & that's why I make sure we ALWAYS have somebody able to cover the big fights for our board.

    GorDoom

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    GorDoom
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    The ring weights were announced as the were at the weigh in. They didn't give actual ringside weights like HBO does

    GorDoom

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    gregbeyer
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    Re: fight

    castillo was throwing a good hook tonite. the overhead camera view caught the impact very well. it looked like they had to tell diego he had been ko'd and man he realy was.

    anyone for hatton-castillo at 140 ?
    greg

  25. #25
    GorDoom
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    CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/05

    From MaxBoxing:

    Doug Fischer
    Chief editor

    Castillo Stops Corrales in Four, Arce Blasts Hussein, Hernandez Robbed
    By Doug Fischer (October 9, 2005) P

    LAS VEGAS, Oct. 8 - In 42 professional fights Diego Corrales had been stopped twice but never knocked out. Tonight, in front of more than 15,000 screaming diehard fight fans packed inside the Thomas & Mack Center, Corrales was counted out by referee Joe Cortez after Jose Luis Castillo connected with a monster left hook at the start of the fourth round.

    Corrales, now 40-3 (33), fell like a sack of bricks upon the heavy punch's impact to his exposed jaw. It was the first time in his career that he was clearly separated from his senses in a major prize fight and though he struggled to get to his feet, Cortez reached the count of ten 47 seconds into the fourth round. The first nine minutes of the fight were the most intense and ultra violent three rounds since Marvin Hagler and Thomas Hearns locked horns 20 years ago.

    "I knew he wasn't getting up," said Castillo, now 53-7-1 (47), after the fight was stopped.

    However, just like their epic first fight, which Corrales won with a miraculous come-from-behind 10th-round stoppage, this bout does not come without controversy. Castillo's camp and promoter, Top Rank, complained that Corrales intentionally spat his mouthpiece out after being dropped twice in the 10th round, buying himself valuable seconds to recover before staging his unlikely rally.

    The controversy of this fight was Castillo's failure to make the 135-pound limit for what was supposed to be a lightweight world championship bout. At Friday's weighin, Castillo weighed 137 pounds on his first attempt. After being given two hours to sweat the excess two pounds off, Castillo returned to the scale and weighed even more, 138 and a half pounds, making many wonder if he was even trying to make 135-pound limit. To make matters worse, one of Castillo's camp members, supposedly his team doctor, was caught cheating (attempting to lift the bottom of the scale with his foot) by Marc Ratner, executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

    There are two theories on this weighin fiasco: one is that Castillo's body, which has strained to make 135 for the last four years, was simply done with making the lightweight limit. The other is that Castillo's people never intended their fighter to make 135 pounds and were willing to take the fine (10% of Castillo's $1.2 million purse, half of which went to Corrales) in order to have the weight (and strength) advantage going into the rematch.

    It's possible that Castillo really weighed as much as 140 pounds on his first attempt, since his "doctor" (who has been suspended by the NSAC) could have gotten away with his cheating tactic.

    Because Castillo failed to make the lightweight limit, Corrales keeps his WBO/WBC/The Ring titles even though he lost the fight. Castillo obviously needs to move up to the 140-pound division where many interesting matchups await him, including bouts versus junior welterweight champ Ricky Hatton, Puerto Rican star Miguel Cotto and arch nemesis Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    The Mexican national has a blend of unreal durability, relentless-but intelligent pressure and veteran skills to beat (and beat up) any of the fight game's top 140 pounders.

    If Jake LaMotta followed today's fight game, he would probably be a Castillo fan. The former middleweight champ and former lightweight champ have a lot in common. Like LaMotta Castillo often struggles to make weight. And like the Raging Bull, Castillo possesses underrated technique and craftiness to go along with his hard rock-solid chins. Both pride themselves on "never going down" (in 61 pro fights, Castillo's butt still hasn't touched the canvass). Like LaMotta did in the '40s and '50s, Castillo is too tough for the tough guys and is able to give the best "Fancy Dan" boxers of his era hell. Neither hardhead shied away from a tough fight or rematches of tough fights.

    LaMotta engaged in 15 return matches during his hall-of-fame career, often fighting the top fighters of his era - like Jose Basora, Fritzie Zivic and, of course, Sugar Ray Robinson - four, five and six times. Those bouts thrilled fight fans during boxing's Golden
    Age.

    Since the 21st Century got under way, this generation of fight fans has already witnessed two instant classic trilogies, Barrera-Morales and Gatti-Ward. But a Corrales-Castillo trilogy might out-do those entertaining rivalries.

    From the opening round, neither Corrales or Castillo wasted any time dropping leather, heavy shots on the inside, body shots, and hooks, crosses, and uppercuts upstairs.

    There were more bombs in the second round. Both fighters landed double left hooks and uppercuts, though Castillo appeared to land a little bit more frequently. However, Corrales, whose mouth bled and right eye already appeared swollen, stunned Castillo a few times with quick combinations.

    Head to head, chest to chest, punch for punch, the third round, along with the previous two, was the stuff of boxing folklore. Corrales was stunned and backed up by big right hand, but immediately fired back before the round ended.

    If they fight a third time, let's hope both men make in the area of $5 million each. Let's also hope that it doesn't take place for at least a year. Oh yeah, let's hope that the rubbermatch remains controversy free. And let's have them do it at 140 or 147 pounds to make sure of that.

    "I apologize for not making the weight," Castillo said. "It was a mistake and it will never happen again. If Top Rank wants us to have a third fight, we'll do it. We're ready."

    ARCE MAKES SHORT WORK OF HUSSEIN

    The first fight between flyweights Jorge Arce and Hussein Hussein was one of the best scraps of a year that has had more than its share of 'Fight of the Year' candidates. However, the second bout was as short and one-sided as the first fight was grueling and competitive.

    Arce, who won the first bout with with a hard-fought 10th-round stoppage, made the rematch a lot easier by forcing Hussein's corner to toss in the towel two minutes and 50 seconds into the second round. Arce, who improved to 41-3-1 (31), dropped Hussein with a well-timed right cross in the first round and dropped him again in the second round with a vicious cross-hook combination after hurting the lanky Australian with a series of hooks earlier in the round.

    Hussein's trainer, former three-division champion Jeff Fenech, had seen enough after his fighter's second knockdown.

    "I knew I had a hurt fighter," Fenech said of Hussein, who dropped to 28-3-1 (21). "I didn't want him to get seriously hurt."

    The stoppage seemed to be a bit premature, but Arce dominated the bout following the knockdown in the first round. In the second round, Arce, a brawler who has underrated boxing and counter-punching skills, stalked Hussein, who used his legs more than his fists. Hussein tagged Arce with a good uppercut off the ropes, but Arce continued to press his fleeing opponent, punishing Hussein's body along the ropes before buckling his legs with heavy left hooks. After the knockdown later in the round, Fenech had seen
    enough.

    "FAMOSO" BEATS PACQUIAO BUT NOT ON THE SCORECARDS

    After 10 bloody and entertaining rounds, it appeared that the grit and experience of former 130-pound title holder Carlos Hernandez was too much for a game but out-worked Bobby Pacquiao, the younger brother of Filipino star Manny Pacquiao, but two of the official judges must have been members of the 'PacMan Fan Club' because they somehow scored the junior lightweight bout for Pacquiao.

    Duane Ford, scored the bout 95-93 for Pacquiao, giving the last three rounds to the 25-year-old southpaw even though he was clearly out-worked by Hernandez over the second half of the fight. Chuck Giampa scored the bout 95-94 for Pacquiao, who started fast, knocking Hernandez down with a beautiful left cross in the second round, but was clearly out-slugged by the 35-year-old veteran from Southern California from round three on.

    Only Robert Hoyle, who scored the bout 97-92 for Hernandez, saw what actually happened in the ring. Hoyle scored every round after the second for Hernandez, who dropped to 41-6-1 (24).

    All three of the ringside press judges who scored the bout for Showtime's broadcast had Hernandez winning the bout. Even Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, thought Hernandez did more than enough to earn the decision.

    "Hernandez won the fight; he out-hustled us," said the classy and honest veteran trainer.

    "I thought we won at least seven rounds," said Rudy Hernandez, trainer of Hernandez (but no relation).

    Hernandez was understandably speechless immediately after the bout.

    During the fight Hernandez spoke with his fists, which lacked the speed and snap of his opponent but were far busier. However, "Famoso" had to weather an early round storm from Pacquiao, who improved to 26-11-1 (11). In round one Pacquiao landed crisp one-two combinations down the pike, bloodying Hernandez's nose before the vet jolted the younger man with a right Pacquiao at the start of the second round, but the southpaw engaged him on even terms before breaking through with two uppercuts.

    Hernandez battled back with two flush right hands, a hook and a straight right to the body before running into a left hand that put him down near the end of the round (only the second knockdown of his 48-bout career). Pacquiao jumped on Hernandez at the start of the thrilling third round, further battering Hernandez's bloody face, but the older man rallied over the second half of the round by landing a series of right hands that had Pacquiao on queer street.

    Hernandez appeared to take control of the middle rounds of the bout by applying constant pressure behind a consistent body attack that slowed Pacquaio down. By the late rounds there was just as much grappling and mauling on the inside as there was punches thrown. In other words, it was a typical Hernandez fight. Everyone who watched it knew it except for Ford and Giampa.

    In a junior welterweight special attraction, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. improved to 23-0 (18) with a hard-fought fifth-round technical stoppage of Jeremy Stiers, a journeyman from Missouri who dropped to 9-5 (6).

  26. #26
    JLP 6
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    Re: CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    I knew the fight wasn't going past five when after I saw how Corrales ran in straight after Castillio. He should have boxed.

    There is no need for another match, but there will be.

  27. #27
    jyoungfan2
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    fight

    Corrales' promoter Gary Shaw said Corrales will be invoking a contractual rematch clause.


    from fightnews

  28. #28
    PeteLeo
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    Re: fight

    Awww . . . what a shame, Corrales only got one chance to spit the bit -- I mean the mouthpiece. Even though this was my third wrong prediction in as many tries (I thought Castillo's chin would crumble after having been dented last time), I'm really enjoying basking in the afterglow (so to speak). PeteLeo.

  29. #29
    diggity1
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    Castillo came out like a freight train. It was as if he had already warmed up for 3 rounds before he came out. Corrales on the other hand did just like he said, continue where the fight left off...unfortunately that meant no "D" and believing he'd already taken Castillo's best shots.
    Excellent fight by Castillo, one tough SOB.

    Other points....
    Maybe Hussein didn't look right but Fenech needs his head examined.
    Famoso was robbed, period.

    It was one of those nights of boxing which leaves you scratching your head.

    Did anyone see any of these results coming in the fashion of which they did? I sure as hell didn't.

  30. #30
    GorDoom
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    CORRALES-CASTILLO RESULTS & DISCUSSION THREAD 10/8/0

    I'm in total accord with you, Dig. Not one of the fights tonight (I don't count the JCC Jr. exhibition as an actual fight), turned out anywhere near the way I envisioned they would.

    I thought Famoso would road grade his opponent. Which he basically did except for the flash KD. He was ripped off, BIg Time, on the decision.

    Arcel & H. I expected to go quite a few action rounds though I felt Arcel would inevitably stop him. Fenech's absurd throwing in of the towel was mind wobbling ... For a guy that was such a blood & guts warrior as a fighter, he sure is one extremely timid cornerman.

    Corrales -Castillo??? I sure as hell didn't expect a one punch KO by Castillo in the 4th. Again .... I expected some long & seriously brutal rounds.

    BUT ... I ain't complaining. After the detrirus that has shamelessly been inflicted upon us the last few months, tonight was a more than satisfying event: Considering the cluster **** of shitty fights we've been subjected to for way longer than we deserve as paying fans.

    GorDoom

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