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    NEW Charley Burley Book

    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    Please excuse the shameless plug, but the revised edition of my book:

    'Charley Burley and the Black Murderers' Row'
    (Published by Tora Books in association with Exposure Publishing, November 2006, ISBN 0954392418)

    is now available for preorder.

    charleyburley.com

    For the uninitiated, some information.

    THE CYBER BOXING ZONE:

    "This book is a classic of its kind and no good boxing library
    should be without a copy."

    Book Description

    Charley Burley and the Black Murderers' Row was written with the co-operation of Charley's family and friends. It is a revised and expanded version of the individually numbered, limited edition hardback run of 300 copies that was released in 2002. It contains twenty pages of photographs, many of which are from the private collection of the Burley family. Some of which are unique to this edition.

    Charley Burley and the Black Murderers' Row follows a trail from the 1936 Barcelona ‘Friendly’ Olympics in war-torn Spain to top ten contender status for world title honours during the 1940s. From the disappointment of being avoided by Henry Armstrong, Fritzie Zivic, Tony Zale, Jake LaMotta, Rocky Graziano, Billy Conn and Sugar Ray Robinson to hauling garbage for the city of Pittsburgh for over thirty years.

    Charley Burley was forced to fight out of his weight class with monotonous regularity (by today's standards he would be a light-middleweight), yet he knocked out fighters from welterweight to heavyweight. Burley beat three world champions in three different weight categories, but was denied a chance to fight for any title.

    * Elected to the Ring Magazine Hall-of-Fame in 1983
    * Inducted to the World Boxing Hall-of-Fame in 1987
    * International Boxing Hall-of-Fame inductee in 1992

    Charley Burley and the Black Murderers' Row contains many rare and unseen photographs that trace the career of this often overlooked fighter from his amateur days to his retirement and beyond.

    The revised edition has an expanded record for Burley that includes a
    'Tale-of-the-Tape', venues and weights for Burley and his opponents.

    From the Publisher

    Since the release of the initial run of 300 hardback copies of the Charley Burley story the author has expanded his research and, in addition to more fight reports, has included more information on Burley's managerial problems, his career in California and his personal life. There is also much more detail on the careers of the infamous 'Black Murderers' Row'.

    From the Author

    I was fortunate enough to meet Charley Burley shortly before his death in 1992. Due to the dearth of information available of this great fighter I decided to compile as many facts, figures and personal stories about him as I could. The idea was to create a scrapbook that his family could enjoy.

    As the press clippings, photographs and personal stories grew I decided to write this book. While the information on his boxing career is very detailed, what I wanted was to present a more rounded picture of this (extra)ordinary man.

    Thanks to the generosity (and hospitality) of his family and friends, I think that I have achieved this.

    From the Back Cover

    "You know, people ask me who was the greatest fighter I ever met and I tell them Rocky Marciano, because that's what they want to hear. Hell, Marciano beat me when I was 42 and I gave him a great battle. Eddie Booker and Charley Burley were the best. They beat me in my prime. Booker broke my ribs and Burley gave me a boxing lesson."
    Archie Moore (World light-heavyweight champion 1952-1962)

    "Too good for his own good" a statement that was made by many boxing managers and promoters of the 1940s when referring to Pittsburgh's Charley Burley. Arguably the greatest boxer never to win a world title, Burley was the most feared fighter of his generation and the most avoided fighter in the history of boxing. Writer Budd Schulberg ('On the Waterfront') christened them "The Black Murderers' Row". Charley Burley, Eddie Booker, Jack Chase, Bert Lytell, Lloyd Marshall and Aaron 'Tiger' Wade terrorised boxings middleweight division in the 1940s and were avoided to such an extent that they had to fight amongst themselves simply to remain active and earn a living.

    "Charley Burley is a legend in boxing, but the public doesn't know him because he never got the credit."
    Eddie Futch

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    Re: NEW Charley Burley Book

    Harry- I hope that your updated biography of Charley Burley
    has success in marketplace. Good luck!

    - Chuck Johnston

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    Re: NEW Charley Burley Book

    Thanks Chuck,

    I hope it has more success than our local team is having at the moment.

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    Re: NEW Charley Burley Book

    Awesome!!!!!!

    I somehow missed out on the 1st release so can't wait to grab a copy of this one.

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    Re: NEW Charley Burley Book

    Quote Originally Posted by Boxscribe
    Thanks Chuck,

    I hope it has more success than our local team is having at the moment.
    Cheer up Harry. If you sell half as many copies as the Kop sells tickets, you'll be a millionaire by this time next year......

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    For those of you who haven't read this book, it's a MUST READ if you are a boxing fan. I can't recommend it highly enough.

    GorDoom

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    Re: NEW Charley Burley Book

    Quote Originally Posted by Adeyinka
    Cheer up Harry. If you sell half as many copies as the Kop sells tickets, you'll be a millionaire by this time next year......
    Hey Ade,

    I just hope to sell more than Liverpool are scoring goals

    How did the colectors fair in London go last weekend?

    Thanks for the boost Bucket. I have added a good deal of new stuff for the paperback. I hope it goes down as well as the previous edition.

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    The fayre went O.K. Harry. Sold well -although not as much as last year when it happened some months after the release. But it was an opportunity to meet with several who had bought it and read it. Very pleasant feedback.

    The only problem for most people was finding the location in Piccadilly. It was actually in a nightclub which was rather dark even with all the lights on! The previous venue at the Hammersmith Novotel Hotel was much roomier and people could find parking space.

    Nevertheless, I enjoyed being on the 'campaign trail.' I reckon you should go on the road with the Burley book -you could convert many.....

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    Re: NEW Charley Burley Book

    Quote Originally Posted by Adeyinka
    The fayre went O.K. Harry. Sold well -although not as much as last year when it happened some months after the release. But it was an opportunity to meet with several who had bought it and read it. Very pleasant feedback.

    The only problem for most people was finding the location in Piccadilly. It was actually in a nightclub which was rather dark even with all the lights on! The previous venue at the Hammersmith Novotel Hotel was much roomier and people could find parking space.

    Nevertheless, I enjoyed being on the 'campaign trail.' I reckon you should go on the road with the Burley book -you could convert many.....
    Feedback is always good. If I had the first idea of how to go about 'going on the road' I might give it a go. Local radio (BBC Radio Merseyside the week before the launch), local press and bookshops are my limit at the moment.

    Any suggestions greatfully received.

    BTW I was talking to a coach recently who mentioned that Tiger trained at their gym (older location) when he was in Liverpool - The Golden Gloves. It used to be in a basement as far as I can remember. They are now based at a local school.

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    Black Dynamite
    Charles Duane Burley

    BORN : September 6 1917; Bessemer, PA
    DIED : October 16 1992; (Pittsburgh, PA)
    HEIGHT : 5-9 ½
    WEIGHT : 145-162 lbs
    RACE : Black

    MANAGERS : Phil Goldstein (1936-1940), Luke Carney (1941) Tommy O'Loughlin (1942-1945), Morris Slutsky (1945-46) Charley Rose then Lew Burston & Jersey Jones (1946-48), George Armstrong (1948-49), Harry Roth (1949-50)

    Trainer Eddie Futch said Burley could box and punch and called him the finest all-around fighter he ever saw; Burley was elected to the Boxing Hall of Fame in 1983 and the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1992. Never stopped in 98 fights


    The mention of the name Charley Burley will, more often than not, draw a blank expression from the faces of many so-called boxing buffs. While not totally unknown, Burley has not received the recognition he deserves. While fans of the sport extol the virtues of such fighters as Armstrong, Zale, Graziano, LaMotta Conn, and 'Sugar' Ray Robinson, all of who were his contemporaries, (and all of whom avoided him like the plague), Charley Burley is largely ignored and forgotten. This Pittsburgher has the distinction of being one of the finest fighters in the history of the game. But, like so many other talented black fighters, he will never be remembered as readily as many of boxings world champion's, simply because he himself was not a champion.

    Often called the greatest fighter ever by such authorities as Eddie Futch, Ray Arcel and Archie Moore and his trainer Hiawatha Grey, (who went back to the days of Johnson and Ketchel), Burley fought some of the best fighters around, beating most of them. Even though he was consistently rated in the top ten for over a decade in the welterweight and middleweight divisions he never received a shot at any world title. In a career lasting from 1936 to 1950 he compiled a record of 83-12-2 with 1 no contest and 50 knockouts.

    Charles Duane Burley was born in Bessemer, Pa., on September 6th 1917. His father was a black coal miner from Virginia, his mother a feisty white Irish woman from County Cork. Together, the Burley's had seven children, six girls and one boy; Charles junior was the second youngest and a real handful for his parents and his sisters. When the mines claimed his father in 1925 Charley and his family moved to Pittsburgh.

    At age 12, Charley joined the Kay Boys Club where he took up boxing under the watchful eye of local trainers Leonard Payne and Howard Turner. Charley enjoyed the boxing as much as he enjoyed baseball, another sport at which he excelled, (he once received an offer to play for the Homestead Grays), and when he wasn't playing ball or plucking chickens for pennies, (a skill he learned in Bessemer), he could be found at the gym. City, State, and National Junior titles were won with comparative ease as he won a Golden Gloves Junior title at lightweight and a Golden Gloves Senior title at welterweight. He also contested the 1936 National Senior Championship finals in Cleveland when he lost to Leo Sweeney at welterweight. In later years, Sweeney, also from Pittsburgh, became a well-respected cop in the city.

    In 1936, Charley was invited to Chicago to attend the box-offs for the 1936 Berlin Olympics, but declined as he objected to the racial and religious persecution taking place in Germany. Instead he received an invitation to represent his country at the 'Workers Games' which were being held in Spain. These games were offered as an alternative to the XIth Olympiad, which were being held at the same time. Unfortunately politics also became involved with these games as General Franco staged some fighting of his own and started the Spanish Civil War. The games were cancelled the day before they were due to commence. Charley returned home, having never had the chance to lace on a glove for his country, and turned to the professional ranks.

    In his first twelve months as a professional fighter, from September 1936 to September 1937, Charley was fed the usual diet of local 'talent' by his manager Phil Goldstein. Matched against boxers, punchers, tough nuts and glass jaws, he compiled a record of 12 wins with 8 kayos before losing to his 13th opponent, Eddie Dolan. Most of these fights took place under the auspices of the 'Pittsburgh Fight Club' of which Charley was one of the most talented members. 1938 saw Charley improve his win tally to 16, with 10 kayos, before he lost on points to local boy Fritzie Zivic, a veteran of over 70 fights. A rematch just over two months later saw Charley reverse the decision with a clear points win.

    August 1938, saw Charley win the 'Colored' Welterweight Championship from the experienced and talented Louis 'Cocoa' Kid over 15 rounds in a thriller at Hickey Park. The 'Kid' was dropped in the second for a nine count and was in trouble again in the 15th and final round, but managed to hang on for the bell. The championship belt was commissioned by New Orleans promoter and former fighter Martin Burke and his partner Lew Raymond and had initially been contested by Cocoa Kid and the great Holman Williams. Since Henry Armstrong had won the 'real' welterweight championship in May 1938, Burley's "title" was redundant and was never contested again. To close out the year Charley added yet another future world champion to his list of victims when he beat middleweight Billy Soose over 10 rounds. With these wins, Burley opened 1939 as the 4th-ranked challenger for Armstrong's title.

    The plague of all big punches, hand trouble, came to visit Charley during, and after, his January 1939 fight with Sonny Jones. After stopping the Canadian in the seventh round, Charley was forced to rest for five months after undergoing bone graft surgery. On his return to the ring he lost over 10 un-eventful rounds to grisly veteran Jimmy Leto at the Millvale arena, (a loss he later avenged).

    By the following month Burley was back in action for a third and final meeting with Fritzie Zivic, (July 17th 1939). This fight would see Charley winning by the proverbial mile, prompting one newspaper reporter to state that 'Zivic was so far behind a telescope would be needed to see him.' It was Zivic however that went on to contest and win the welterweight title from Henry Armstrong even though he was ranked behind Charley in the ratings. In what can only be considered a smart business move Zivic and his manager Luke Carney took advantage of Burley and Goldsteins strained relationship and bought out Burley's contract. This not only prevented the two from meeting again in the ring it effectively froze Charley out of the world picture.

    After 1940, a year when he would lose only once in nine outings, to Jimmy Bivins on points, Charley was beginning to outgrow Pittsburgh and the confines of his contract with Zivic and his manager. After going 8-0 with 6 kayos in 1941, he moved with his wife and daughter to Minnesota. It was here that his new manager, Bobby Eton, and promoter Tommy O'Loughlin would attempt to gain Charley universal recognition as a legitimate title challenger. With a little help from the State Boxing Commission, who gave Charley special dispensation to compete in any weight division above his own, he embarked upon the busiest year of his career.

    While Charley got 1942 off to a flying start beating everyone that was put in front of him, fighters that included the Hogue brothers 'Shorty' and 'Big Boy', the great Holman Williams and the heavyweight J.D. Turner, his promoter sent legitimate offers to the current champions. Title challenges to Freddie 'Red' Cochran at welterweight, Tony Zale at Middleweight all proved fruitless, since those titles were frozen for the duration of WW II. One proposed offer to Cochran was that Charley would fight for free, with his percentage going to the war fund, still no deal. Johnny Ray was offered $10,000 plus a percentage of the gate for Billy Conn, again no deal. Zale's management had other plans for their man, so again, no deal.

    During this busy year Charley, (while weighing no more than 150 lbs.), was forced to battle the likes of Ezzard Charles, Lloyd Marshal, (L10), the Hogue brothers, (KO 10 and KO 6), Joe Sutka, (KO 4), Phil McQuillan, (KO1), and the aforementioned Jay Turner. All genuine middleweights, light-heavyweights and heavyweights. The giant Texan had a few months previous been the full 10 rounds with Billy Conn. However, on this occasion a weight advantage of a staggering 70 lbs. could not prevent him from being bust up and stopped cold by Burley inside of 6 rounds. The two fights with Ezzard Charles were held in a five-week period with a points win over Holman Williams six days before the second fight!

    A chance meeting with Ray Robinson in the lobby of a hotel in New York, when Charley was in town to fight Phil McQuillan, (April 20, 1942) led to the two meeting on the same bill at the Minneapolis Armoury. Charley kayoed Sammy Wilson of Detroit in two rounds while Ray beat Dick Banner in the same number of rounds, (April 30th 1942). Watching from ringside the 'Sugar Man' told his manager, "I'm too pretty to fight Charley Burley".

    Despite great efforts to make the match the two would never meet in the ring, although it nearly happened twice and dates were set. Robinson signed for a May 1946 fight, but raised the price to close to $25,000 when he wanted an out. Although he wanted to fight Robinson in the worst possible way Charley was never bitter about the way Sugar Ray avoided him because he knew that he was the better man and that he would have beaten Robinson. Though never boastful Charley Burley had the utmost confidence in his own ability and when he did lose he made no bones about it he could always tell the truth.

    Following a points defeat by Lloyd Marshall, (who Charley rated as his toughest opponent), Charley was close to exhaustion. He had covered close to 19,000 miles on the road fighting 17 times with not a soft touch amongst them. Tommy O'Loughlin, who was now Charlie's manager, decided that a move to California, which boasted such greats as Jack Chase, Lloyd Marshall, Eddie Booker, Billy Smith, Archie Moore and Aaron Wade, would be beneficial to Burley's career. After defeating the likes of Harvey Massey, 'Tiger' Wade and Bobby Birch, Charley received a chance to fight for the California State Middleweight title which was held by Jack Chase, whom Charley had previously beaten over 10 rounds, (February 1943). Chase, who had never been stopped in 55 bouts, was kayoed in the 9th, (April 3rd 1944). Charley repeated this feat five months later, this time putting Chase away in the 12th. In between he won four other fights, three of which came via the short route. The man who stayed the distance in a losing effort was Archie Moore.

    Charley took the Moore fight on very short notice. On the day of the fight he was at work in an aircraft factory in his (then) hometown of San Diego, (Charley had a burst eardrum and was considered un-fit for the military). He received news of the opportunity, finished his shift, got on a bus to Hollywood and bounced Archie off the canvas three times on the way to an emphatic points victory. A couple of Charlie's friends have stated that Charley didn't like 'cocky' fighters and that he allowed Moore, and another boastful fighter Billy Smith, to go the distance. The 'Old Mongoose' often cites Charley as the greatest fighter he ever fought, calling Burley "as slick as lard and twice as greasy." Very impressive when you consider the names on Moore's record.

    Charley campaigned from 1943 through 1946 with only one loss, over 12 rounds to Holman Williams. That meeting between the two, (July 11th 1945), would be the last of seven meetings, with the final tally being three wins each with one no contest. Charley scored the only kayo of the series, winning in the 9th round in 1942. Other victims during this 26-fight period included, Joe Carter, (W10), Aaron 'Tiger' Wade, (W10), Charley Banks, (W10), Dave Clark, (KO1), the often-avoided Bert Lytel, (W10), and 'Oakland' Billy Smith, (W10, W10). Speaking of Smith, the only, near complete, film of a Charley Burley fight that exists is his second meeting with the light-heavyweight contender, (April 24th 1946).

    From January 1940 up to August 1946 Charley Burley fought 60 times. He scored 31 stoppages, won 20 times over the distance, had 2 draws and 1 no-contest. The only fighter close to his own weight to beat him during this period was Holman Williams, (L15 L12). His other losses were to Charles, (twice), Jimmy Bivins, and Lloyd Marshall, and we all know how good they were, even without weight advantages of ten pounds and over!

    Despite such good form, the big money and high profile fights against many of the top rated white fighters of the day still eluded Charley. Many years later Charley, who read the bible everyday, was quoted as saying, "I used to get down on my knees and pray for a title fight". Sadly, it was not to be, and while the so-called world champions played their games and did their deals and plenty of lesser fighters got their shot, Charley Burley went to work for the City of Pittsburgh as a garbage collector.

    Eight fights in four years just weren't enough and the garbage truck eventually became his new career. After beating Pilar Bastidas in Peru in 1950 Charley travelled to Europe for a series of bouts that failed to materialize. On his return home Tommy O'Loughlin took him on the road to earn some extra cash. A 'barnstorming' tour of mid-west tank towns appearing as 'the masked marvel' almost led to him being lynched on one occasion.

    By now Charley had had enough and concentrated on honest work to keep regular money coming in. He forgot about boxing and, for many years, boxing forgot about him. Only now, nearly 50 years after his retirement, has Charley Burley started to receive recognition. In 1983, he was elected to the Ring Hall of Fame. He was, at long last remembered and honoured by his peers and by the boxing public. Accolades that were, unfortunately, a little late as Charley Burley died in 1992, the year of his induction into the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

    The mystery that is Charley Burley's fighting career has often been explained away as 'not flashy or entertaining enough', 'too many changes in management', (Charley had at least five), or 'too good for his own good'. One could argue that there is definitely a ring of truth to that last statement, Charley had beaten some of the best around and feared no man. A good measure of his gameness and ability is the fact that he was a regular sparing partner of the Pittsburgh heavyweight Harry Bobo, a contender for Joe Louis's title. Many people in Pittsburgh felt that Bobo could give Joe Louis a good fight yet didn't think he could beat Burley in the ring. He had kayoed Elmer 'Violent' Ray and 'Jersey' Joe Walcott in sparring sessions and forced middleweight champion Marcel Cerdan out of the gym, (Charley was supposed to be Cerdan's first opponent in America!).

    The real reason why Charley never became champion of the world may be simply that he was an honest man and an honest prizefighter. Many fighters with no flash or substance have fought for many titles over the years. Inept or un-connected management never stopped these guys. A kind and humble man Charley never trash-talked anyone and he most definitely knew his own. As with everything else it boils down to 'what is you price'. The truth is, these guys couldn't afford a class act like Charley Burley.

    1936
    Sep 29 George Leggins Pittsburgh, Pa KO 4
    Oct 22 Ralph Gizzy Pittsburgh, Pa W 6
    Nov 9 Eddie Wirko Pittsburgh, Pa TK 5

    1937
    Jan 22 Ralph Gizzy Oil City, Pa KO 2
    Feb 8 Ray Collins Oil City, Pa TK 5
    Apr 15 Johnny Folio McKeesport, Pa TK 7
    Apr 19 Ray Gray Pittsburgh, Pa W 6
    May 3 Sammy Grippe Pittsburgh, Pa W 6
    May 27 Keith Goodballet Pittsburgh, Pa TK 2
    Jun 24 Mickey O'Brien Pittsburgh, Pa W 10
    Aug 9 Remo Fernandez Pittsburgh, Pa TK 7
    Aug 16 Sammy Grippe Millvale, Pa TK 6
    Sep 9 Eddie Dolan Pittsburgh, Pa L 8

    1938
    Jan 27 Tiger Jackson Pittsburgh, Pa KO 2
    Feb 3 Johnny Folio Pittsburgh, Pa W 4
    Feb 10 Carl Turner Pittsburgh, Pa W 4
    Mar 3 Art Tate Pittsburgh, Pa KO 2
    Mar 21 Fritzie Zivic Pittsburgh, Pa L 10
    Jun 1 Mike Barto Millvale, Pa TK 4
    Jun 13 Fritzie Zivic Millvale, Pa W 10
    Aug 2 Leon Zorrita Millvale, Pa TK 6
    Aug 22 Cocoa Kid Millvale, Pa W 15
    -Colored Welterweight Championship of the World
    Nov 3 Werther Arcelli Pittsburgh, Pa KO 1
    Nov 21 Billy Soose Pittsburgh, Pa W 10

    1939
    Jan 10 Sonny Jones Pittsburgh, Pa TK 7
    Jun 20 Jimmy Leto Millvale, Pa L 10
    Jul 17 Fritzie Zivic Pittsburgh, Pa W 10
    Aug 28 Jimmy Leto Pittsburgh, Pa W 10
    Oct 23 Mickey Makar Pittsburgh, Pa KO 1
    Dec 1 Holman Williams New Orleans, La L 15

    1940
    Feb 12 Nate Bolden Pittsburgh, Pa W 10
    Apr 12 Baby Kid Chocolate New Orleans, La KO 5
    Apr 26 Sammy Edwards New Orleans, La KO 2
    Jun 17 Carl Dell Holyoke, Ma W 10
    Jul 29 Georgie Abrams Millvale, Pa D 10
    Aug 19 Kenny LaSalle Millvale, Pa W 10
    Sep 3 Jimmy Bivins Millvale, Pa L 10
    Oct 18 "Irish" Eddie Pierce Pittsburgh, Pa W 10
    Nov 11 Vince Pimpinella Washington, DC W 10

    1941
    Mar 31 Babe Synnott Pittsburgh, Pa TK 5
    Apr 18 Eddie Ellis Boston, Ma TK 5
    Jun 2 Ossie Harris Pittsburgh, Pa TK 9
    Jul 14 Gene Buffalo Philadelphia, Pa KO 5
    Aug 25 Otto Blackwell Millvale, Pa W 8
    Sep 25 Antonio Fernandez Philadelphia, Pa W 10
    Dec 12 Ted Morrison Minneapolis, Mn TK 2
    Dec 23 Jerry Hayes Eau Claire, Wi KO 4

    1942
    Jan 9 Shorty Hogue Minneapolis, Mn KO 10
    Jan 23 Jackie Burke Minneapolis, Mn TK 5
    Feb 6 Milo Theodorescu San Diego, Ca TK 4
    Feb 13 Willard "Big Boy" Hogue San Diego, Ca TK 6
    Feb 26 Holman Williams Minneapolis, Mn W 10
    Mar 13 Jay D. Turner Minneapolis, Mn TK 6
    Apr 10 Cleo McNeal Minneapolis, Mn KO 5
    Apr 20 Phil McQuillan New York, NY KO 1
    Apr 24 Joe Sutka Chicago, Il TK 4
    Apr 30 Sammy Wilson Minneapolis, Mn KO
    May 25 Ezzard Charles Pittsburgh, Pa L 10
    Jun 23 Holman Williams Cincinnati, Oh W 10
    Jun 29 Ezzard Charles Pittsburgh, Pa L 10
    Aug 14 Holman Williams New Orleans, La TK 9
    Oct 16 Holman Williams New Orleans, La L 15
    Nov 13 Cecilio Lozada San Diego, Ca TK 2
    Dec 13 Lloyd Marshall Los Angeles, Ca L 10

    1943
    Feb 3 Harvey Massey Oakland, Ca KO 9
    Feb 19 Jack Chase Hollywood, Ca W 10
    Mar 3 Aaron Wade Oakland, Ca W 10
    Apr 19 Cocoa Kid New Orleans, La D 10
    May 14 Holman Williams Hollywood, Ca NC 10
    Jun 26 Bobby Birch San Diego, Ca W 10

    1944
    Mar 3 Bobby Berger San Diego, Ca KO 5
    Mar 20 Aaron Wade San Diego, Ca W 10
    Apr 3 Jack Chase Hollywood, Ca KO 9
    -Middleweight Championship of California
    Apr 21 Archie Moore Hollywood, Ca W 10
    May 12 Al Gilbert San Diego, Ca TK 4
    Jun 23 Frankie Nelson Hollywood, Ca TK 7
    Aug 28 Gene Buffalo San Francisco, Ca TK 5
    Sep 11 Jack Chase San Francisco, Ca TK 12

    1945
    Mar 12 Joe Carter San Francisco, Ca W 10
    Jul 11 Holman Williams Buffalo, NY L 12
    Jul 26 Oscar Boyd Pittsburgh, Pa KO 2
    Aug 20 Aaron Wade Pittsburgh, Pa W 10
    Sep 4 Dave Clark Cincinnati, Oh KO 1
    Sep 28 Walter Duval New Orleans, La TK 4
    Oct 8 Billy Smith San Francisco, Ca W 10

    1946
    Mar 14 Charley Dodson Pittsburgh, Pa TK 3
    Apr 8 Paul Peters San Francisco, Ca TK 1
    Apr 24 Billy Smith Oakland, Ca W 10
    Jul 16 Charley Banks Pittsburgh, Pa W 10
    Aug 5 Bert Lytell Pittsburgh, Pa W 10

    1947
    Feb 17 Bert Lytell Baltimore, Md L 10
    Aug 8 Larry Cartwright Huntington, WV TK 7

    1948
    Mar 24 Battling Blackjack Phoenix, Az KO 3

    1949
    Apr 3 Charley Williams New Orleans, La L 10
    Jul 25 Willie Wright Pittsburgh, Pa W 8

    1950
    Feb 2 Chuck Higgins Pittsburgh, Pa KO 1
    Mar 2 Buddy Hodnett Pittsburgh, Pa TK 6
    Jul 22 Pilar Bastidas Lima, Peru W 10


    *** The Following Bouts Are Reported But Not Confirmed ***

    Undated
    Johnny Williams ND
    Cleto Locatelli ND

    *** Thanks To Harry Otty For Providing The Record And Biography ***

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    Re: NEW Charley Burley Book

    Hey Bucket,

    It's strange reading over that bio from all those years ago. I think that was the first one I ever wrote for the CBZ.

    It definitely needs an update. Maybe I could re-work it for the Black Dynamite section. Any thoughts?

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    Harry:

    That's why I posted it! I figured you would look at it & want to update it. Pretty sneaky of me, eh?

    Anyway, I'd love for you to do a re-write & update it. I'll get it posted & remove this one as soon as you get it to me.

    regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by GorDoom
    Harry:

    That's why I posted it! I figured you would look at it & want to update it. Pretty sneaky of me, eh?

    Anyway, I'd love for you to do a re-write & update it. I'll get it posted & remove this one as soon as you get it to me.

    regards,

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    I'll get on it and email you the finished article.

    Do you think Burley's recorded fights that were a part of his barnstorming trip should be included on his record?

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    Re: NEW Charley Burley Book

    Harry:

    By "barnstorming" do you mean exhibitions? Actually I don't think it matters. Almost no one alive has seen Burley & I don't believe there's any film on him ... SO, as much information as you can gather is the way to go.

    I'd include everything scrap you have. Because of your book & other people that have written articles about him in the last few years, I think there is a real renewal of interest about him from serious aficionado's.

    I know that when I read a biography like yours or Ade's on Tiger, one really get into it & you want to find out everything you can on the subject.

    regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxscribe
    Feedback is always good. If I had the first idea of how to go about 'going on the road' I might give it a go. Local radio (BBC Radio Merseyside the week before the launch), local press and bookshops are my limit at the moment.

    Any suggestions greatfully received.

    BTW I was talking to a coach recently who mentioned that Tiger trained at their gym (older location) when he was in Liverpool - The Golden Gloves. It used to be in a basement as far as I can remember. They are now based at a local school.
    Harry,

    You said it right there. The local radio station, local libraries (readings) / press and bookshops.

    Harold Alderman once advised me that the way in which the guy who wrote the Tommy Farr and Terry Spink biographies sold his book, was through the local boxing associations. My plan was to have gone to Devon, London etc but haven't got round to it.

    If you do any radio spots, try to get a CD copy and post it on the web etc. If you have the time, transcribe any interviews (slow, laborious process) and post them up on the web.

    Ade

    PS

    You might post a copy to Gary 'I-hate-scousers' Neville in Cheshire. His response will surely give you some publicity!

    The Golden Gloves gym. I think I heard someone mention that. But it's not another name for Transport House's gym is it? I know that Harry Scott mentioned training in a basement with him while he was still an amateur.

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    Thanks Ade,

    I never thought of transcribing the radio interview. I will definately give that a try.

    The only thing about Gary 'I-hate-scousers' Neville is that he can't actually read

    The old Golden Gloves gym was in the basement of a place down on Upper Parliment Street. I think Transport House was a different place around by the new T&GWU building near London Road (not far from the original Liverpool Stadium on the corner of Pudsey Street).

    I'll ask Harry Scott when I see him next week.

    Bucket,

    Burley had three bouts in Iowa in 1949 under the promotion of Ralph Hayes and gave away 40lb to Jack Burns (WKO4) in his first bout.

    I have included the fights and information surrounding them in the revised edition of the book, along with reports form Burley's bouts in the 1936 national championships in Chicago (along with plenty of other stuff of course).

    I will update his record when I re-do the bio.

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    Harry, this is great news! I can't tell you how pleased I am that you decided to go ahead with the revised edition. I'm ordering my copy today!

    all the best,

    JC

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    Re: NEW Charley Burley Book

    JC,

    You will find your good self in the acknowledgements section. I put in two photos that Julia Burley gave me of Charley's fight in Peru and it was great to have both of Burley's cornermen identified.

    Thanks

    Harry

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    Re: NEW Charley Burley Book

    Just a gentle reminder that the revised edition of 'Charley Burley and the Black Murderers' Row' is available from today at the usual online places and stores (Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Waterstones, Play, Tesco etc., etc., etc.)

    If anyone would like to get hold of a signed copy please email me at:

    Torabooks@blueyonder.co.uk

    Many thanks

    Harry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxscribe
    JC,

    You will find your good self in the acknowledgements section. I put in two photos that Julia Burley gave me of Charley's fight in Peru and it was great to have both of Burley's cornermen identified.

    Thanks

    Harry
    Harry, I am glad that I could help out (even if it is a small fraction of your great work). I am also delighted that you decided to include those beautiful pictures of Charley in the Acho Arena.

    Men like Guillermo Peñaloza (who besides Burley's was also on Tommy Loughran and Artie Towne's corners on their brief visits to Peru) usually remain in obscurity. Thanks for breaking that trend.

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    JC,

    It was thanks to you that I was able to put name to faces. I wondered for a long time about who that was with Burley (and his blankets) in the ring in chilly Peru.

    I hope you enjoy the rest of the material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GorDoom
    For those of you who haven't read this book, it's a MUST READ if you are a boxing fan. I can't recommend it highly enough.

    GorDoom

    Sounds great to me, bro.
    I sure wish I had some tape of the artist in action.

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    StingerKarl

    email me at torabooks@blueyonder.co.uk

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    Re: NEW Charley Burley Book

    Dear Harry,

    Your book arrived 2 days ago. What can I say that others have not said yet?
    Ok. Ill give it a try: when you are looking forward to your subway ride as a fascinating experience that says it all. I have already devoured around 150 pages.. And nowadays with my tight schedule that's quite a lot. Thanks so much.

    Re: Juan Cepero-Cocoa Kid-Lou Hardwick mystery:

    Two weeks ago I obtained the fight record of Peruvian lightweight Braulio Linares a.k.a. Kid Linares a.k.a. Dinamita JAckson. Turns out he lost a 6 round decision to JUAN CEPERO in Lima on Sept. 9th, 1926.
    In the 1920s there was a publication called MUNDIAL which carried pictures of the weekly action in Lima. NYPL owns a partial collection of it but unfortunately they dont have any issues from 1925-1926.
    Needless to say, I have a guy in Lima looking into it at the National Archives. Hopefully this will finally produce the picture of Juan Cepero that has eluded us so far.

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    JC,

    Thank you for your kind comments. I've been on the NY subway and I am just happy to have made your trips that much more interesting/bearable ;o)

    Any picture of Cepero would be great. Maybe then we could cross him off the list as a possibility for the mysterious Cocoa Kid/Louis (Lew) Hardwick. It's amazing how many fighters had various names/identities (as with your one example of Braulio Linares a.k.a. Kid Linares a.k.a. Dinamita Jackson).

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    Another Charley Burley Book

    Hi everyone,

    I'm new to the forum. I found it by doing a search on Charlie Burley. My uncle has also written a book on Charlie Burley. If you are interested in finding out more, I have attached the link to his website. Thanks.

    http://www.theburleybook.com/

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