It would be interesting to hear the whole story.
It would be interesting to hear the whole story.
Originally Posted by dongee
good deal hap. hope it works out for you.
i was also a great fan of jackie mccoy. i used to speak with him at the seaside gym near the old pike in long beach. truly one of the great unsung trainer/managers. so low key and humble. can't imagine the patience he had working with don jordan, raul rojas and mando ramos. throw in frankie crawford for a while and ..... just shoot me.
Greg:Originally Posted by gregbeyer
Jackie was also quick with a pun or a comback remark when he was in the mood for laughs. But above all he was one loyal friend. We had some good times together including one fourth of July when we journeyed down to Calexico for a mini holiday visit and he , his wife Shirley,and little boy Jake almost melted in the summer heat. He was totally entertained at night when I took him to his first ever boxing show on Mexican territory. The bizarre occurrences among the crowd really got his interest. One thing more, Jackie was absolutely fearless and would stand up to any man, any time. My friend Warren Spaw, born in Oxnard to a journeyman boxer, Jack Sparr.
Mando Ramos vs Raul Rojas
hello hap and frank,
the last few posts got to me pretty good.
speaking of jackie being fearless made me think of the day i was in the seaside gym while mando was training for one of his comebacks. a group of street hoods walked in apparently invited there by mando. jackie made no bones of how upset he was with them being there which made mando seem uncomfortable. the hoods made a quick exit.
that same day i saw mike nixon spar with carlos palomino. this was the day i realized how tough a fighter carlos was. he gave up 10-15 lbs to the very powerful nixon and hung with him shot for shot.
finally that summersault that rojas did after mando hit him with that hook i remember well. my friends and i are sitting just out of camera shot. being from the harbor area at that time i can not remember there ever having been a better harbor area rivalry. after the fight we met at joey orbillos pool hall and joey was upset that they had fought at all saying " i did not want them to fight".
hope you gents are having a great day... you really got my memory going.
BTW. i have always wished there was a movie made on the friendships and rivalries between mando ramos, raul rojas, ruben navarro and frankie crawford. i have no idea who to cast in the boxing roles but always thought the actor william macey would make a good jackie mccoy.
Nate Collins was my boyhood hero, he was the nicest guy in the gym, (Newman's in San Francisco) and treated my brother and I like friends long before we were. I saw so...me of his better fights, Jimmy Lester, Andy Heilman, when he knocked Andy down for the first time in his career, gave him a major concussion on top of a slash across his face and still had to fight for his life to decision Heilman, and Emile Griffith among others. The fight i didn't see was against Eugene Hart in Philadelphia, Hart had something like 25 KOs in a row with no losses and knocked Nate down in the second, Nate said he was hurt bad,enough to stay down but Hart laughed at him and called him a "not so polite" name...he woke the sleeping lion, Nate got up and stopped him in the later rounds and had to get a police escort out of the place. To this day he is very popular among the bay area boxing faternity. At the end of his career my father got Nate into the glaziers union and he worked as a glazier until his retirement, every couple of weeks or so Nate gives my 80 year old dad a call to see if he's doing okay, he's still my hero...thanks for posting that picture Frank.
May 16, 1950
Controversy reigned at the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles after Tommy Campbell’s (140) strange performance in a third round stoppage loss to local star Art Aragon (137 ½).
Campbell’s odd antics started after he knocked the favored Aragon through the ropes and onto the ring apron with a right hand in the second round. According to George Main of the Los Angeles Herald-Express, Campbell appeared "amazed" by what he’d done and "reached out as if to help Aragon to his feet" before backing off while the count was administered. After rising at eight, the Golden Boy looked none too steady but rather than go for the finish, Campbell made the bizarre move of retreating to a neutral corner and allowing Aragon (pictured, Antiquities of the Prize Ring) to wail away on him until the end of the round…
Never once did the onetime high-ranking Illinois battler make a serious move to ward off Aragon’s stream of leather.
At this sudden turn of events the crowd went into an uproar with many fans making uncomplimentary charges about Campbell’s integrity.
– Cal Whorton, Los Angeles Times
When he came out for the third session, Campbell continued to make no effort to defend himself, seemingly content to stand and get drilled by Aragon's right hand, before eventually being dropped for the count. At the finish, "most of the 7500 spectators were on their feet yelling 'fake' and showing the ring with debris." Commission representative Clayton Frye was none too impressed either, and told the press he believed the strange happenings "could do with some investigating."
The opinion of foul play wasn’t shared by matchmaker Babe McCoy, who stated that he saw nothing amiss with the bout, brushing aside rumors that Campbell had taken a dive "to help build Aragon up."
The purses of the fighters were held up until a hearing before Norman Houston of the California State Athletic Commission two days later. Campbell explained his performance by saying that he didn’t want to veer from his plan of trying to outbox Aragon, believing that the local star wasn’t really hurt after the knockdown. He also reiterated the reason he’d given immediately after the bout for backing off, explaining that he’d been partially blinded after being hit in the eye.
Though Mushy Callahan and Joe Stone, the two official fight judges, stated at the hearing that something wasn’t quite right about the fight, Houston ruled that "the facts don’t support any form of collusion."
First they ask the supposed culprits if they had been bad boys, then accept their denials as factual… Then they ignore the fact that two of the three ringside officials swore under oath that they though the bout was "fishy" while it was in progress. Result: None, as usual.
– Dick Hyland, Los Angeles Times
* In 1956, McCoy was banned for life by the CSAC for "ordering fights lost to fighters including Art Aragon, Harry Mathews and Del Flanagan." The ban came after Campbell testified as a surprise witness before a special investigating committee set up by California Governor Goodwin J. Knight. Campbell told the committee he was there voluntarily "to do what was right." According to Campbell’s testimony, his manager George Moore had made a deal with McCoy before the bout. Campbell explained that he was supposed to "make it look good" for three rounds, and in doing so had nearly knocked Aragon out by accident, prompting the strange sequence of events in the second round that had lead to the original suspicions over the bout’s legitimacy.
* Fighters Georgie Hansford and Watson Jones also testified at the hearing, stating that they had tanked fights for McCoy. Jones also testified that the influential matchmaker had robbed him of his purses.
* At the hearing, it was also revealed the Clayton Frye had been barred from the dressing rooms by the Olympic Auditorium management, making it very difficult for the commission member to properly oversee what took place at the venue. Rather suspiciously, the CSAC refused at the time to do anything about Frye’s lack of access.
Luis "El Fero" Rodriquez & Battling Torres
Javier "Baby Face" Gutierrez (l) and his best friend and fighter
Hector Cortez prepare for a 1950 fight. Gutierrez will enter the
California Boxing Hall of Fame in June.
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Mando Ramos first loss, vs Kang II Suh
You can see part 2 & 3 on the right-side on Youtube
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States view
Ernie Lopez W Andy Gonzalez KO 7 12
Mando Ramos L Kang Il Suh UD 10 10
Vic Jimenez W Jose Hernandez PTS 6 6
Larry Harding W Manny Duran KO 3 4
Art Aragon & Carmen Basilio with Clayton Fry....Al Silvani on the far lelf??
Randy, I kept hearing that Eddie was in and out of jail, but then I heard from his niece about two years ago and she said he was doing fine and that he was staying out of trouble. In 1973 we took a team of amateurs down to Baja to fight, we camped at the beach during our stay there, which was about three nights, one night Eddie and Frankie came riding into camp on horseback, somehow, somewhere they found some horses, I told them to get rid of the horses, I also told them: "don't you guys know that they still hang horse thieves in Mexico?", they jump off the horses as fast as they could, with a sign of relief they hit the horses in the ass and watch them run off, we didn't have a hanging party that night....Originally Posted by Randyman
how cool that the ramos - suh kang il fight turned up on youtube. you know i never saw that fight. i read an article last year about kang. he is living in L.A. and said mando was the best fighter he ever fought and that he passed blood from the body shots after the fight.
dick enberg is heard to say kang had over 70 fights at that time and gave his age as 23. according to BOXREC he was closer to 28 and is not credited with that many fights.
it would be great if the rojas-kang fight showed up. mando stepped in for raul to fight kang when raul came up sick or injured (drunk??) anyway looks like kang was in shape and gave mando a little surprise. couple of months later rojas handled kang fairly easy.
always great to see the olympic in its glory.
The above photo is the Olympic Auditorium, below is
a photo of the Hollywood Legion Stadium....The legion did not have a gallery.
Max Baer and Errol Flynn
Courtesy of Robmorris
Eddie "Animal" Lopez, Burgess Merdith and Slyvester Stallone
Billy "Sweetpea" Peacock'
Check out the poster on the wall
Art Aragon vs Carmen Basilio
Art Aragon vs Carmen Basilio
With Art is trainer Benny Conyers
Cal Eaton, Olympic Auditorium promoter at the 1960 Jose Becerra/Alphonse Halimi fight.
The crowd waiting to get in to see the 1960 Jose Becerra/Alphonse Halimi fight.
Norm Lockwood, Eddie "Animal" Lopez and John Liecthy inside the Olympic "Catacombs"
Cal Eaton & Carmen Basilio
Los Angeles Sports Arena
Jose Becerra vs Alphonse Halimi....1959
Eder Jofre and Jose Becerra