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    Re: Rocky Marciano’s Toughest Opponent

    Quote Originally Posted by HE Grant
    Moore definately gave him a terrific fight. He floored and hurt him more than Walcott did. He blasted him dozens of times with great right hands (for a light heavy) . It was a great fight . To say it was not a highly competitive fight is a joke but Marciano idolizers are not realistic.

    By the way, I heard Archie was younger than Rocky.

    it was a great fight, BUT marciano did the majority of the damage. are u denying that marciano won almost every round and knocked down moore 4 times??? all 3 judges had marciano well ahead on the cards. how is this a close fight?



    ps moore defintley didnt hurt marciano more than walcott did

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    Re: Rocky Marciano’s Toughest Opponent

    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer Ray
    moore and shopworn dont exist. its like comparing "Lamb" and "tunafish"

    moore was a freak of nature, he never got shopworn. i have never seen such a fighter come back from so many devastating KO losses, top 10 fighter of all time IMO. no one had the longevity or consistency moore had
    He was shopworn when he fought Marciano, you can not fight for 20+ years and not be shopworn, he was a human being not super man, you too will be shopworn when you get to be 38-40 years old.

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    Re: Rocky Marciano’s Toughest Opponent

    Moore put up a great fight. Marciano, much younger and a naturally bigger man wore him down and knocked him out. Moore managed to land dozens of flush, hard shots to Marciano's face. It was a classic , very exciting fight.

    Patterson handled Moore much easier, not because he could have beaten Marcino. Most likely he would have been stopped mid to late. However, Patterson's speed made him a much tougher match up for Moore.

    Again, Marciano was a super tough fighter, great in his own way. Why his supporters cannot accept that without having him walk on water is besides me.

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    Re: Rocky Marciano’s Toughest Opponent

    Quote Originally Posted by HE Grant
    Moore put up a great fight. Marciano, much younger and a naturally bigger man wore him down and knocked him out. Moore managed to land dozens of flush, hard shots to Marciano's face. It was a classic , very exciting fight.
    I don't think the outcome was much in doubt after the first 5 rounds. Moore fought valiently dropping Marciano and cutting him but he took a beating from the 6-8 rounds even prompting the ringside doctor to go to Moore's corner and ask him if he wanted to continue after the 8th.

    The 9th round was a formality.

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    That's about right 10-8

    THis was a VERY competitive bout, that BECAME one-sided.

    But to charecterize this bout as onesided and non competitive, is grossly inaccurate.

    Duran Dejesus II and Frazier Quarry I both were very competitive actiaon packed give and take fights that until about the 5th or 6th round became pretty onesided bouts until the conclusion.

    Would anyone charecterize these fights as one sided bouts even though both became so as the fights wore on?

    Hawk

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    Rocky Marciano’s Toughest Opponent

    Rocky Marciano

    Boxer Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), who held the heavyweight boxing title for four years during the 1950s, is the only boxing champion to ever retire undefeated.

    Certain names always come up, and always will come up, when boxing fans discuss the question of who was the greatest heavyweight boxing champion of all time. Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey are all names which have their supporters. So is Rocky Marciano, who held the title for four years in the 1950s and who has one accomplishment no other heavyweight champ can claim: He is the only one ever to retire undefeated.

    Boxing Not First Choice

    Marciano was born Rocco Francis Marchegiano on September 1, 1923 in Brockton, Massachusetts. His father, Pierino, worked at a shoe factory. His mother's name was Pasqualena, and Rocky would spend much of his life making sure she didn't have to live in the poverty Rocky knew growing up. Rocky was a typical American kid growing up, playing baseball and football and dreaming of a professional career in one of those sports. He didn't take up boxing until after 1943, when he was drafted into the army. He took the sport up mainly as a way to avoid KP (assisting the cooks) and other less desirable activities, but he showed a natural ability and fought as an amateur following his discharge in 1946.

    Tries Baseball

    In 1947 Marciano had a tryout with the Chicago Cubs as a catcher, but was let go because he couldn't make the throw from home plate to second base with accuracy. It was the end of his baseball dreams, and the following year he turned professional in the ring. By the spring of 1949 his boxing skills had garnered some attention, as he knocked out his first 16 opponents. The quality of his opponents improved over the latter half of 1949 and 1950, but Marciano continued to beat all comers, knocking out most of them.

    Proved Doubters Wrong

    There were those who thought not much would become of the 190-pound heavyweight from Brockton in the early days, however. Goody Petronelli, noted fight trainer, caught one of his early fights and recalled for Sports Illustrated, "I never thought he'd make it. He was too old, almost 25. He was too short, he was too light. He had no reach. Rough and tough, but no finesse." The hometown folks became believers, though, traveling in groups to Marciano's fights in nearby Providence, Rhode Island and yelling "Timmmmberrr" when Rocky had an opponent ready to go down.

    Boxing Technique

    The trainer Charley Goldman taught Marciano his trademark technique, which would serve him well as champion. Legendary trainer Angelo Dundee remembered for Sports Illustrated Goldman telling him for the first time about his new young fighter: "So Charley told me, 'Ange, I gotta guy who's short, stoop-shouldered, balding, got two left feet and God, how he can punch!'" He went on, "Charley taught the technique that if you're tall, stand taller. If you are shorter, make yourself smaller. Charley let him bend his knees completely in a deep knee squat. He was able to punch from that position, come straight up from the bag and hit a heck of a shot…. It was just bang-bang-bang-bang-BANG and get him outta there. And he was the best-conditioned athlete out there."

    Marciano Defeats Joe Louis

    On October 26, 1951, with 37 wins and 32 knockouts under his belt, Marciano faced his most formidable opponent in former heavyweight champion Joe Louis. Louis was past his prime and when Marciano knocked him out in the eighth round, he had such mixed feelings at beating his hero that he cried in Louis's dressing room after the fight. Sentiment aside, however, the fight established Marciano as one of the marquee fighters in the heavyweight division, and assured him of a title shot before too long.

    Takes the Belt from Jersey Joe

    Five fights later, on September 23, 1952, he got that chance. Jersey Joe Walcott was the defending champion and Marciano the challenger when the pair met in Philadelphia. Marciano pulled out a victory which would be remembered as typical of his tough-guy, never-say-die style: Way behind on points and struggling offensively all night, he caught Walcott with a short, overhand right on the jaw in the 13th round which knocked him unconscious, giving Marciano the championship belt.

    Marciano only defended the title six times, but some of those fights are considered classics by boxing fans. He knocked out Walcott in the first round of their rematch in 1953, then knocked out Roland La Starza later that year. He won a decision against Ezzard Charles in 1954, and almost lost his title in their rematch later that year. In the sixth round Charles cut Marciano's nose so badly his cornerman couldn't stop the bleeding. With the ring doctor watching the cut closely and considering stopping the fight, Marciano erupted against Charles in the eighth round and knocked him out.

    Marciano defended his title against Don Cockell in 1955, knocking him out despite organized crime enticements for him to throw the fight. His last fight was September 21, 1955, his third Yankee Stadium defense. He knocked out Archie Moore in the ninth round. The unofficial attendance through closed-circuit television across the great cities of North America was over 400,000.

    Retired from Boxing

    On April 27, 1956 Marciano retired from boxing at the age of 31. "I thought it was a mistake when Joe Louis tried a comeback," The New York Times quoted him as saying. "No man can say what he will do in the future, but barring poverty, the ring has seen the last of me. I am comfortably fixed, and I am not afraid of the future." He said he wanted to spend more time with his family; it has been said since that he resented having to pay 50 percent of his earnings to his manager.

    The Last Years

    Marciano spent the years following his retirement making money from personal appearances. Notoriously frugal, Marciano insisted on bumming rides from friends with private planes, even though he could usually be given paid transportation to and from any of his personal appearances. On August 31, 1969, the day before his 46th birthday, he died in a private-plane crash near Des Moines, Iowa. He was survived by his wife of 19 years, Barbara, and two children, Rocco Kevin and Mary Anne.

    Remembered for his Grit

    Although he may not rank in the top five boxers of all time in terms of skill, speed, or power, Rocky Marciano was tough enough to compensate, and his fans recognized his grit. A sports writer commented that if all the heavyweight champions of all time were locked together in a room, Marciano would be the one to walk out.

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    Re: Rocky Marciano’s Toughest Opponent

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan1213
    Here is an interesting article regarding Marciano’s amateur fight with Coley Wallace (from my research seven years ago on Marciano’s amateur career).

    Regarding the size difference between Marciano and Wallace, it’s interesting that the paper quoted “At any other weight, in a matter of speaking, the match might not be allowed.”



    There had been a question about this bout on another forum.

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    Re: Rocky Marciano’s Toughest Opponent

    Quote Originally Posted by Juan C Ayllon
    And, let's not forget: from what I understand, Holmes was given roughly two weeks notice to fight Tyson.

    That's not much time for an aged fighter to get ready for a prime champion, much less a fighter of a prime Tyson.

    Just my thoughts,


    Juan C. Ayllon

    On the 16th of October 1987, immediately after Tyson beat Tyrell Biggs, Larry Holmes is interviewed backstage by Reg Gutteridge (broadcast on ITV) and announces he is going to fight Mike Tyson, and underlines how he is already in shape, never got out of shape and could be ready to fight next week if they wanted to.

    Larry Holmes was well aware he was fighting Tyson several months beforehand.

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