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  1. #271
    theironbar
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    2006 IBHOF Inductees

    Hi Ron -- I know there's already a thread on this subject, but I'd like to read your thoughts on the inductees -- modern and old-timer categories...

    All the best,

    -Peter

  2. #272
    Ronald Lipton
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    You know how it is these days, things are starting to get a bit diluted as to candidates and what the Hall of Fame means to most.

    However, I understand, and time marches on.

    I feel with all respect, that there are more deserving candidates and I must renew my membership in the boxing writers association of America to start voting again, as I know how.

    Teddy Yaroz, certainly not a puncher but a great fighter is most deserving and one only has to remember the men he fought and the men he beat. Beating Brouillard, Krieger, Overlin, Risko, Vince Dundee, Ben Jeby and just handling himself in there with Charles, Marshall and Bivins says it all, and the tough Turkey Thompson.

    Brouillard having beat Mickey Walker, Corbett, Ben Jeby, McClarnin, Bob Olin and others was a short powerful fighter who is well known and most deserving. Two guys he fought Candad Lee and Johnny Indrisano were in the boxing movies of the day, Lee in Body and Soul and Indrisano always as a fight technician and choreographer for the big boxing flicks.

    Jimmy Slattery with over 100 wins and only around 14 losses is deserving.

    I knew Stanley Weston, met him and wrote some pieces for him in the old Boxing Illustrated, and he certainly was part of our boxing history with his fine and treasured magazines.

    Hank Kaplan is in a class by himself and I am very happy for him.

    Whitey Bimstein paid his dues and I am glad for Chapo as he passed away so early but there are those who feel that there are others who belong there before him. Him taking out Bramble and Edwin Viruet like he did was pretty good, and wobbling Camacho so badly was a piece of work.

    As to the two flyweights, they had great records for their class and fighting each other, some of their opponents records were not consistently awesome, but I am happy for them both. Jimmy Wilde they are not though.

    All in all some of the other names will get in soon, I have no doubt, this year's not overly exciting though.

  3. #273
    theironbar
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    Re: Patterson vs. Chuvalo

    Thanks Ron!

  4. #274
    Kid Achilles
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    Re: reply

    Ron,

    I hope you had a good Christmas and New Years. I was away at home (I'm back now) but I had a question typed up on a friends computer but I lost it when I tried to submit the post before filling in all the fields.

    To paraphrase it, I recently saw the second Louis-Simon fight and thought Simon, while bigger and stronger looking than many modern pro wrestlers, seemed too barrel-chested and bulky to have much upper body flexibility and his punches appeared to lack snap. He was not an explosive Buddy Baer punching giant. But then I've seen a photograph of him posing with Jack Johnson (who apparently helped trained him at one point) and Simon's fist is literally twice the size of the Galveston Giant's. Abe's hands really were comparable to Sonny Liston's. He must have had some kind of punch with those sledgehammer fists.

    I ask because of his knockout win of Joe Walcott. I just can't imagine Simon beating Walcott, even with the weight advantage. Hell, visualizing him touching Walcott is a stretch for me.

    So what's the story behind the fight? I know Walcott had some very hard times coming up, with a family to support, but I wouldn't want to insinuate that he took a dive against Abe for the money.

    It's just hard for me to believe that a man of Walcott's class would lose by knockout to Simon, who just didn't seem to be a one punch guy. Or maybe Simon was better than I think and it was just the guy across the ring from him that made him look mediocre. That's entirely possible. Louis would make many good boxers in ring history appear poor.

  5. #275
    Ronald Lipton
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    Hi Kid,

    It is amazing you wrote about this question regarding the Walcott v Simon fight.

    I always wondered the exact same thing when I saw his record. Abe who was in "On The Waterfront," along with Galento and Mauriello was an awkward giant. He took such a trimming from Joe Louis before he was stopped, I cringe at the beating he took without quitting. Makes a mockery of a Bruce Seldon swallow job V Tyson, doesn't it.

    Now, as to Jersey Joe aka Arnold Cream. I have written before on other posts that I knew Walcott and I have a picture of me and Joe from 1988 at Mike Spinks training camp at the Concord Hotel. I had known Joe before that though as he was the Sheriff of Camden County NJ.

    My former Lt. in the Hudson County Prosecutor's office in Jersey City NJ was the very same Robert Lee Sr, who was indicted and convicted in the IBF scandals decades later. He was joined at the hip with Jersey Joe as Bob lived in Camden and I heard stories for years about the behind the scenes things alleged concerning Joe.

    Joe became a deeply religious man and was a decent man in my book in later life. Earlier in his career he was faced with two dilemas. One being a talented black man in a dirty business in which many times one had to be connected back in the 50's to get ahead.

    The illustrious Felix Boccichio (spelling?) was his manager and he was a family man and a good fella.

    In the days of Graziano v Cowboy Ruben Shank, LaMotta V Fox, Pep v Perez, etc who knows what the hell was going on, with Mr. Gray, Frankie Carbo, Blinky Palermo etc behind the scenes.

    I heard talk for years Joe dumped to Marciano in the rematch rather than take another beating going for the odds against a first round ko.

    I don't think Joe was in too strong a position to resist the mob if they said jump, if he wanted to keep getting paid. Who knows?

    Look at Liston's career and how Holmes himself was petrified at one time as to what Don King could do to him financially and otherwise.

    Think about it. I go by what I see, and if a guy dumps a fight, he better do it as an Oscar performance taking helacious shots in the process to fully fool seasoned boxing scribes like yours truly and others cut from the same cloth.

  6. #276
    Juan C Ayllon
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    Ron with Jersey Joe

    Here's a photo of Ron Lipton (right) with Jersey Joe Walcott:

    <img border=0 src="http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/news/archives/LiptonWalcott.jpg" />

    Nice post, by the way, Ron!

    Regards,


    Juan

  7. #277
    kikibalt
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    Re: Ron with Jersey Joe

    Ron
    Do you remember Doctor Vincent Nardiello who used to work the fights in N.Y, if you do what can you tell us about him?

    Frank B.

  8. #278
    Ronald Lipton
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    Hi Frank, how are the boys doing? I remember him well, as he was a permanent fixture at all the fights and he had some dealings with many of my friends.

    He was a real fight Doc who did not panic at the sight of blood and stop fights too soon.

    Some guys liked the Doc others did not. He examined me once before a fight in the West Orange Armory in NJ as a lot of the NY boys were fighting that night.

    He did the old drop your drawers turn your head and cough thing and almost made me jump out of my boxing shoes. He could be abrupt and cranky too but he was an old war dog at the fights.

  9. #279
    kikibalt
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    Re: reply

    Thanks Ron

    The boys are all doing well

    Frank B.

  10. #280
    Kid Achilles
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    Toney vs. Rahman

    Ron,

    What's your take on this matchup? Toney, a natural middleweight seems to have every advantage over Rahman except size and punching power. He has better reflexes and spatial awareness, better upper body movement, can parry better, has a chin that appears to be solid even at heavyweight (though he's never faced a puncher of Rahman's caliber) and can really fight on the inside. Rahman of course is bigger, younger, and much, much stronger. He has a pretty good jab when he feels like using it, and a solid right hand that has been proven a knockout blow against other world class heavyweights.

    I can't help but visualize Toney coming out ahead in this one, especially if Rahman is anything less than his best. But I wouldn't bet on it. Toney is an older guy for a boxer, with poor eating habits. He obviously doesn't take care of himself and one day it's going to come back to kick him one day.

    My pick is Toney but it could change come the day of the weigh in if he looks like shit and if Rahman is in A-1, 220-225 pound shape.

    What do you think?

  11. #281
    Ronald Lipton
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    I have very rarely seen a metamorphosis like James Toney into what he is today physically in the ring.

    When he dismantled ancient Holyfield the heavens shook at the absurdity of it. Same with Camacho taking down Leonard. It is horrible to see these things, where one guy emergers victorious over someone who would have absolutely destroyed him years before.

    With his tough mindset, street trash talking and genuine boxing skills, Toney gets away with murder against the pathetic crop of fighters we have today.

    Someone I respect very much, Iceman Skully, likes James and spent a lot of time with him and I understand from what I read, how Ice was treated with respect and earned it in the training camp with him.

    That being said, I personally do not like James' demeanor, manner of speaking, and the physical condition he gets into. It is bloated and bizzare but he is an amazing physical specimen to pull off wins like he does.

    He lifts weights and takes chemical bodybuilding enhancers obviously, and comes into the ring with giant trunks, a six pack of franks on his neck, thick bloated but strong arms, and uncanny defensive manuvers and ring savy with his shoulder and head rolls.

    It ain't pretty to me and someone long ago should have ko'd him. I'd like to see him in a trash talking give and take with Shannon Briggs who re-invented himself.

    As to the Rock, he is a shell of what he was and if he was up to the mark he should have been able to dismantle Toney 5 years ago.

    Both of them now are two floundering sea creatures on the beach, and the fight should resemble two elephant seals slapping each other around.

    I could be wrong as to which Rahman shows up, but I just cannot believe someone in the heavyweight division did not seriously clean Toney's plough for him by now.

    Just a pathetic lack of real punching talent who cannot totally ko a 220- 260lb 5'9" former middleweight who Roy Jones Jr shook up and beat.

    Boxing is really losing it's fan base without exciting fighters in the heavyweight division, instead of pretenders, retreads and mutants.

  12. #282
    Roberto Aqui
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    Briggs

    You will not likely see Toney in with Briggs. Toney has carefully stayed away from anyone with power. Smart, but I promise he will be layed out stone cold before it's all over.

    Rahman is a Ruiz type lethargic heavy, but he is strong with a punch and may be motivated by animus to go after Toney. I frankly don't understand why the big guys would allow Toney to do what he does.

  13. #283
    Kid Achilles
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    Toney's success

    Toney isn't a knockout puncher but he isn't exactly featherfisted either. He can counterpunch as good as anyone in the sport presently, and he can fight inside which seems to be a rarity with the heavyweights these days (unless you call clinching "fighting"). Guys don't like to throw at him because they get countered, so they can't be as aggressive as they'd like to be with a 5'9" opponent in front of them. He really is quite sharp with his punches and excellent in terms of his defense, and the heavyweights are that bad that he can see their punches from a mile away and hit them before they can do anything.

    Still, even Ruiz caught him occassionally with the right hand so he's not invincible and you have to give Rahman some kind of chance if he's in good shape. Toney's chin is very good, but how well can his smaller frame take a Hasim Rahman right hand? I've yet to see Toney get tagged by a huge puncher.

    I just hope Rahman makes it a good fight.

  14. #284
    kenmore3233
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    Toney vs. Klitschko

    Is Toney, who's really a just a bloated cruiser at 5'9", 230lbs., really capable of standing up to a powerful giant like Vladimir Klitschko?

    I havent' seen enough of Toney as a heavyweight, which is why I'm asking this question.

    I would have thought that the size differential alone, coupled with the fact that Toney's not a big banger, would have insured a Klitschko win.

    But I'm hearing differently from other fans and journalists...

  15. #285
    Kid Achilles
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    The wrestler's bridge.

    Ron,

    Here's a question concerning fitness. A few years back I was into back bridging and could hold a pretty good bridge for six minutes straight (three and a half minutes is what I normally did, a few times a week). I learned about the exercise from this site:

    www.mattfurey.com/

    I discontinued the exercise when I read on the internet that bridging could be doing unforseen damage to my spinal column, but on the contrary I've also heard that the exercise has been practiced for thousands of years in India and practiced even today by HS wrestlers. There seems to be a lot of evidence in favor of bridging as a safe and beneficial exercise.

    Today I alternated the front and back bridge and did several sets of hindu pushups, also described on Furey's website. I have to say, I feel great and energized after doing the exercises, especially the hindu pushups. It also feels great to have worked my neck which seems modest compared to my shoulders and back.

    How effective are these exercises for building core strength and developing lean, functional musculature? Are there really health risks associated with these exercises? I'm sure the hindu pushups are fine, but it's the bridging that has me slightly worried. I really want to strengthen and develop my neck as I think it is an overlooked bodypart (by most people) and essential for many activities and daily life.

    I'm also considering getting back into amateur boxing this summer, and I want to get my strength back. Between bridges, ab exercises, hindu pushups, dips and pullups (as well as a lot of road work and elliptical work) I think I can improve my fitness level overall in a few months. I just want to know what you think about the bridging.

  16. #286
    Ronald Lipton
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    I feel flattered you asked me my opinion and in some ways man did you come to the right chap.

    I used the bridge for years and a multitude of other neck exercises, as I was dissatisfied with my neck development when I was about 13-15 years old.

    I used everything, head straps with weights, neck rolls, using towels for cushion effect while going through the full motion of any possible way the neck could move or rotate with weighted resistence and isometric resistence.

    My son also had a longer type thin neck and wanted to build it up and tried everything. I have used neck machines also.

    I wrestled in Mountain High School in West Orange NJ and have done many neck bridges. I also graduated to headstands on a pillow with my full bodyweight as resistence to moving my neck in all directions. I always liked the bridges and they made my neck a column of striated steel muscle.

    Then I got older, and brother things change. It is a strong but delicate area as are the tendons in the rotator cuff-shoulder area. I love laterals too but the body ages and the muscles are the last to go.

    The shoulder-supraspinatis tendon and SLAP injuries from shoulder work are the bane of many active bodybuilder over 50. The Labrum (ligaments) under the Acronium in the shoulder running anteriorially and posterially accompany spurring in the shoulder bone(Acronium, spelling?) which impinge on the tendon causing agony when torn.

    The neck makes this agony look like a joke. If one is flexible that is fine. If one is a yoga master, and can master the positions or asanas, and watches the diet too, the body can get away with acute angles in exercising.

    Violate these things, like laying off for awhile, or not recognizing the difference between soreness and injury then one will pay with a crippled neck.

    Bridges place the spine, neck in precarious angles and as we get older we have to adjust sometimes to less rigorous and demanding poundages, stress, angles, and routines in general and meld them into what fits for now.

    Proceed with neck rolls, get the blood in there and move very very slowly if you must continue doing bridges.
    One must guard against herniated discs and similiar maladies.

    I don't use them any more at my age, too risky.

    best,

    Ron

  17. #287
    Kid Achilles
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    Hindu Squats

    Thanks for the advice Ron.

    That's what I figured: if I am going to do them, it's vital to warm up the muscles of the neck first (as with any exercise)

    I think I'll be okay at my age (22) as I am naturally flexible in the neck and lower back. I was able to touch my nose to the mat the first time I attempted a bridge years back, whereas I hear most people have trouble attempting it.

    Since it's been awhile I did an assisted bridge using my hands to lessen the load. I'm going to keep it at that until I'm comfortable with the weight. It really does feel good to work the neck. Leaves me with a feeling of wellness hours later.

    Another question: how do you feel about deep hindu squats where one lifts the heels up at the bottom position of the exercise and goes up onto the toes? Again, something the Indians have been doing for a long time but many physical trainers have a problem with the knees extending over the toes when doing squats (even when it's a bodyweight exercise).

    Speaking of squats, did many of the greats you train with use them, and were they deep, ass to the grass, squats or just 90 degree? I feel that many of the old timers had awesome. well-proportioned torsos, backs, and shoulders but merely decent quads and calves. Actually the tradition continues today with fighters such as Wladimir Klitschko who almost appears to have a larger bicep than quad measurement in some photographs.

    What's your opinion on topheavy boxers? I would imagine strong legs would be ideal for stability, balance, and quick smooth footwork.

    Always enjoy hearing your opinions.

  18. #288
    theironbar
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    Re: Slightly Off Topic for a Sec

    Ron -- don't know if you remember but you had some understanding words for me a few weeks back on another thread... long story short, my crazy situation has almost resolved itself (financial of course) and I wanted to let you know I appreciated your thoughts... hope is a wonderful thing!

    OK -- back to regular programming -- Ron -- you make a positive difference in people's lives -- keep it up!

    Best regards,

    -Peter

  19. #289
    Ronald Lipton
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    thank you so much mate,

    it is very appreciated. I am very happy it is working out for you.

    It is just so tough to survive these days, I am very lucky to have my son and girlfriend and of course my loyal dog of 9 years with me.

    I keep working out and going to physical therapy 3 times a week for my injury. The sights I see there make me thank God things are not worse right now.

    Like Woody Allen said once, "Life is a cross between the miserable and the horrible."

    I thank God every night I am just miserable. (smile)

  20. #290
    Ronald Lipton
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    Re: The wrestler's bridge.

    Hi Kid,

    you know in boxing generalizations don't hold too much water, yet there is a pattern to study to this subject.

    I have found in boixng history the powerful torso boys, Fitz, Carter, Dempsey, who had slim but strong legs could wallop by tapping into that usable muscle.

    I have strong, developed, cut legs front and back but slim and a lot of muscle in the torso. It comes from making weight and competing at a certain height in a feasable weight class.

    Heredity, training favorite muscles first instead of the weak ones using a correct priority training principal are the culprits here.

    Marciano of heavy thighs, Liston, Frazier the heavy concussion punchers, with the sturdy redwood tree legs are dangerous with those powerful underpinnings which help them keep upright while being shook.

    The faster punchers, Lew Jenkins, Carter, Hearns, Robinson,
    Foster, are a little light in the ass but much more sturdy than one would think.

    It depends on the man himself and his style of delivery.
    The punch comes from the legs for sure, but what kind of legs and what kind of punch.

    Nothing gets too much more sturdy in the pins and heavy handed than David Tua who I refereed twice. At a certain weight he was a killing machine, heavier just a Poo Poo platter ploddding along like a slow blivit.

    Squats are great if one warms up the knees first with leg extensions and leg curls, Then leg presses. With the legs being flushed with blood, the couplings warmed up deeply and the knees with a light support, this avoids injury.

    The greats I knew did not use them. I did though. 20, 15, 12, 10 and 8 reps per set adding weight. Knees floating over the toes, shoulder width apart and I would do a set or two of hyperextensions first to warm up my lower back after some ab floor work. Then the leg extensions, leg curls, leg press and with my legs exhausted, then the squats.

    Remember we would have to run at 5AM 5 days a week for 4-6 miles in Carter's camp. Eating only twice a day, one cannot overwork too much.

    Shaves had strong thighs, slim calves, Cleve Williams strong powerful legs, ripped to the bone, Louis very strong thighs.

    No rule holds 100% true. The more mentally strong one's belief is in themselves, fostered by the truth, or self hypnosis or a George Costanza lie, if one believes it come true with the body. Depends on the power of the belief.

    Punching hard has one first step, it is: Wanting to punch hard.

    If the desire to win comes from a maniacal furnace of fervor to win, the hatred and absolute refusal to lose outweighing the pain and fatigue, one will break through the veil and Seabiscuit will win mate.

  21. #291
    Ronald Lipton
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    PS

    The full ass to the grass squat works the glutes and is usefull for a steel driving ass, which one needs in punching and the bedroom.

    It is a movement that is VERY prone to injury and must be done with weight that the lumbar area and knees can handle.

    A squat going all the way down and ending up with proper form with continuous tension on the quads is ideal to me, without locking out the knees of course. Warmup and use prudent judment as to sets and weights, tempered with your energy level and sleep factors.

    best,

    Ron

  22. #292
    gregbeyer
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    kid

    hi ron,

    would you please go to the "disturbing father son boxing story" thread and give an opinion on this guy training his kid? it is the modern section.
    thanx,
    greg

  23. #293
    Juan C Ayllon
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    Question about Middleweight Division in Mid to Late 70's

    Hey Ron and Crew,

    I just received this email from Joe Rein and wondered if you could help:

    Saw this on a boxing site, Juan.

    I thought maybe some of the guys on CBZ might know the answers to these
    things.

    Just trying to help a writer out.

    Joe

    A character in my latest crime novel was a mediocre middleweight
    fighting out of Los Angeles in the mid- to late-70's. Can anyone answer
    the following research questions regarding the L.A. boxing scene at the
    time?

    - Where would an African-American middleweight (unranked, but
    up-and-coming, at least in his own mind) have been likely to train in
    the L.A. area?

    - What real middleweights (bums and contenders) might he have fought
    as he worked his way up to a decent ranking (lower end of the top ten,
    max.)?

    - Who were the local prominent trainers and managers of the period?

    - What venues, local and elsewhere, might he have fought in?


    Joe

    ------

    Thanks,


    Juan C. Ayllon

  24. #294
    Ronald Lipton
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    Hi Juan,
    Just noticed this post,

    I will look at my old magazine if I can find them after I just went through a flood here again.

    We are talking about the days of Hagler, Willie Monroe, Boogaloo Watts, Mike Colbert, Cyclone Hart, Vito Antuofermo, off the top of my head. I will look.
    That is Philly of course except for Colbert.

    My friends on the Zone from the West Coast will probably come up with some great names here.

    Of course Howie Steindler, who handled the Lopez brothers is the quintessential manager-trainer who "Mickey" in Rocky was patterned after and who Burgess Meredith said he chose to imitate.

    The California gyms were just tremendous factories for talent.

  25. #295
    kenmore3233
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    Middleweight scene in L.A. during '70s

    I don't know if anyone's interested, but during the mid to late '70s I read every boxing magazine obsessively, focusing heavily on the small print articles in the back of Ring Magazine. Someone for Ring did a regular column called "In Sunny California".

    Here's what I remember about the middleweight scene in Southern California then.

    L.A.'s Rudy Robles was ranked sixth in the world by Ring Magazine in 1975, when he challenged Rodrigo Valdez for the WBC crown. After that Rudy sank to the clublevel, and was used by many up-and-coming pugs as a trial horse:
    www.boxrec.com/boxer_disp..._id=016205

    Stockton's Karl Vinson was a well known Southern California middleweight who beat Robles on national television in the summer of '76. Vinson fought many leading middleweights:
    www.boxrec.com/boxer_disp..._id=016625

    San Diego's Felton Marshall was a main eventer who's name I saw in the magazines often:
    www.boxrec.com/boxer_disp..._id=032840

    Chilean Renato Garcia fought everyone in Southern California during that period:
    www.boxrec.com/boxer_disp..._id=021272

    Marcos Geraldo of Mexico was a mainstay in Southern California rings during those days...most of us saw him fight Hagler, Hearns and Leonard on national television:
    www.boxrec.com/boxer_disp..._id=000400

    David Love of San Diego made the big time by kayoing Bobby Watts and Willie Monroe in '76 and '77:
    www.boxrec.com/boxer_disp..._id=016079

    George Cooper of Oakland was mentioned often in the magazines:
    www.boxrec.com/boxer_disp..._id=021274

    Anyway, that's the way Southern California's middleweight landscape looked to a kid reading the boxing magazine's in the '70s.

    This crime story writer who wants to know about the L.A. scene in the '70s should check the records of these guys on www.boxrec.com. That will give him a wealth of information about the clubs, venues and names that were circulating then

  26. #296
    Craig
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    Hi Ron,

    I have been a long time reader of your thread (before the crash), so on my debut post on this board, I would like to ask a question.

    Recently, I have been doing a bit of reading about the old bare knuckle fighters, and particularly John L Sullivan who is the bridge between bareknuckle fighting and Gloved fighting. Some of the stories about his fights and their length, and the punishment they took seem amazing.

    Every bare knuckle fight i have ever seen involving a good boxer nearly ends up the same way. A series of punches and the other fighter is knocked cold or at least down. And most of these fights i have seen don't involved top 10 World Fighters.

    My question, as some one who has probably seen far better fighters street fight, is it really possible that the early day fighters could soak up such punishment (almost being hit as often as in a gloved boxing match) or is the only real explanation that the early year fighters could not possibly have hit as hard many of the more modern boxers.

  27. #297
    GorDoom
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    Re: kid

    Craig:

    Welcome to the board! As to the power of bare knuckle fighting logic would tell you that you couldn't hit somebody as hard in the head as you can with gloves on.

    For the simple reason that you would break your hands without padding & gloves.

    GorDoom

  28. #298
    Ronald Lipton
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    The Bucket is right as usual.

    Sooner or later your hands will give out on you.

    My hands are beyond the beyond as far as hardness.
    I have made it a point since I am 12 to turn my knuckles into the hardest calloused skin and along with some other things I have done for years, they are up there with animal paws.

    The strongest hands they say belonged to Hatchetman Sheppard, the biggest fist to Liston.

    I have never seen hands like Hurricane Carter's though.
    I would defy anyone that size to show me more of two lethal weapons than him. His fingers and knuckles at one time were like a steel hammer. Very large hands too.

    The knuckles were from another world and would kill you through those gloves no matter how much Jimmy Wilde taped his hands.

    I can only imagine John L Sullivan and the like.

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    Re: Ron Lipton: Q & A String

    Hi Ron -- hope you're doing well -- I was also hoping you could help me and a few others out with an old saw -- the Taylor-Chavez I stoppage -- you'll see theironbar posts near the end and a lot of other members all making good points -- could you let us know your thoughts as a referee? It's a thread on old-timers...

    Hope you're doing well my friend -- and don't mind the request or the familiarity...

    -Peter

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    Thought you guys would like to see some of the fights I refereed:
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    2002-04-26 John Carlo W Ronek Ross Holiday Inn, Rutland, VT, USA TKO 1 0
    ~ Time: 1:51 | Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1999-02-26 Kabary Salem W Joseph Laryea Foxwoods Resort, Mashantucket, CT, USA UD 10 10
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    1999-02-26 Tybius Flowers W Victor Rosado Foxwoods Resort, Mashantucket, CT, USA TKO 1 0
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1998-09-03 Danell Nicholson W Mike Sedillo Foxwoods Resort, Mashantucket, CT, USA PTS 10 10
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1998-01-13 Israel Cardona W Sam Girard Foxwoods Resort, Mashantucket, CT, USA KO 3 12
    ~ Time: 1:13 | Referee: Ron Lipton ~
    ~ USBA Lightweight Title ~

    1997-09-23 Tracy Harris Patterson W Rudy Zavala Foxwoods Resort, Mashantucket, CT, USA UD 10 10
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1997-03-28 Rick Edson NC Larry Barnes Yonkers Raceway, Yonkers, NY, USA NC 10 10
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1997-03-28 David Telesco W Junior Neequaye Yonkers Raceway, Yonkers, NY, USA KO 1 0
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1997-03-22 Kevin Pompey W Nate Woods Troy, NY, USA UD 8 8
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1996-10-04 Roy Jones Jr W Bryant Brannon Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA TKO 2 12
    ~ Time: 2:23 | Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Don Ackerman 10-8 | Judge: Don Nodecker 10-8 | Judge: Joe Ware 10-8 ~
    ~ IBF Super Middleweight Title ~

    1996-05-10 Evander Holyfield W Bobby Czyz Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA TKO 5 10
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1996-05-10 Courage Tshabalala W Tim Noble Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA SD 8 8
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1996-05-10 Montell Griffin W Charles Scott Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA TKO 4 0
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1996-03-23 Orlando Canizales L Junior Jones MSG Theatre, New York, NY, USA SD 12 12
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Ronnie Ralston 119-109 | Judge: Larry Hazzard Jr. 111-117 | Judge: Tim Figley 111-118 ~
    IBC Super Bantamweight Title

    1996-02-06 Alex Stewart W Bryant Smith 69th Regiment Armory, New York, NY, USA KO 6 10
    ~ Time: 2:19 | Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1996-02-06 Edelmiro Martinez W Gilberto Espinal 69th Regiment Armory, New York, NY, USA KO 5 0
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1995-12-15 Jesse James Leija L Oscar De La Hoya Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA TKO 2 12
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Ramon Acevedo 9-10 | Judge: Samuel Viruet 9-10 | Judge: John Stewart 9-10 ~
    ~ WBO Lightweight Title ~
    Stoppage came after the bell to end the 2nd round.

    1995-08-26 Pernell Whitaker W Gary Jacobs Convention Hall, Atlantic City, NJ, USA UD 12 12
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Tamotsu Tomihara 118-107 | Judge: Gus Mercurio 118-109 | Judge: Takeaki Kanaya 117-109 ~
    ~ WBC Welterweight Title ~

    1995-08-18 Mitch Green W Lou Turchiarelli Middletown, NY, USA TKO 6 10
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1995-06-10 Tommy Morrison W Donovan Ruddock Municipal Auditorium, Kansas City, MO, USA TKO 6 12
    ~ Time: 2:55 | Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Larry Dickey | Judge: Gary Merritt | Judge: Tim Figley ~
    Vacant IBC Heavyweight Title
    Both fighters were knocked down.

    1995-06-10 Roberto Duran W Roni Martinez Municipal Auditorium, Kansas City, MO, USA TKO 7 10
    ~ Time: 2:59 | Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Larry Dickey | Judge: Gary Merritt | Judge: Tim Figley ~

    1995-05-20 Ray Mercer L Evander Holyfield Convention Center, Atlantic City, NJ, USA UD 10 10
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Eugene Grant 92-96 | Judge: Eva Shain 92-97 | Judge: Eugenia Williams 94-95 ~

    1995-05-20 David Tua W Dan Murphy Convention Center, Atlantic City, NJ, USA TKO 5 10
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Eva Shain | Judge: Jean Williams | Judge: Eugene Grant ~

    1995-05-05 Zuri Lawrence D Garth Hedger Schenectady, NY, USA PTS 4 4
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Brett Lipton ~

    1995-05-05 Shawn Powell W Silverio Carmona Schenectady, NY, USA TKO 4 6
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Brett Lipton ~

    1995-03-18 Steve Collins W Chris Eubank Green Glens Arena, Cork, Millstreet, Ireland UD 12 12
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Roy Francis 117-113 | Judge: Cesar Ramos 114-112 | Judge: Ismael W. Fernandez 114-112 ~
    ~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~

    1995-03-18 Garry Delaney W Ernest Mateen Green Glens Arena, Cork, Millstreet, Ireland TKO 7 12
    ~ Judge: Ron Lipton ~
    ~ WBO Inter-Continental Light Heavyweight Title ~

    1995-01-13 Merqui Sosa D Charles Williams Bally's Park Place, Atlantic City, NJ, USA TD 7 12
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Jean Williams 69-63 | Judge: Melvina Lathan 69-64 | Judge: Steve Weisfeld 69-64 ~
    ~ Vacant NABF Light Heavyweight Title ~

    1994-12-17 Harold Grey W Vincenzo Belcastro Palazetto dela Sport, Cagliari, Italy SD 12 12
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Roque Garcia 115-113 | Judge: Richard Villani 113-114 | Judge: Kason Cheeks 115-112 ~
    ~ IBF Super Flyweight Title ~

    1994-10-19 Tony Marshall W Ron Morgan Kiamesha Lake, NY, USA TD 8 10
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1994-08-26 Tracy Harris Patterson L Hector Acero Sanchez Bally's Park Place Hotel, Atlantic City, NJ, USA SD 12 12
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Cindy Bartin 113-114 | Judge: Vincent Rainone 113-114 | Judge: Henry Elesperu 115-112 ~
    ~ WBC Super Bantamweight Title ~

    1994-01-28 Jeff Mayweather L Joey Gamache Lewiston, ME, USA PTS 12 12
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~
    ~ NABF Light Welterweight Title ~

    1994-01-22 Eammon Loughran W Alessandro Duran Kings Hall, Belfast, Northern Ireland UD 12 12
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Frank Cairo 117-111 | Judge: Denny Nelson 117-112 | Judge: Andre Van Grootenbruel 117-112 ~
    ~ WBO Welterweight Title ~

    1993-09-25 Willy Wise D Godfrey Nyakana Mid-Hudson Civic Center, Poughkeepsie, NY, USA PTS 8 8
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1993-09-25 David Tua W Rick Honeycutt Mid-Hudson Civic Center, Poughkeepsie, NY, USA KO 2 6
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1993-04-22 Jake Rodriguez W Charlie Brown Paramount Theatre, New York, NY, USA DQ 6 10
    ~ Time: 1:24 | Referee: Ron Lipton ~
    New York State Light Welterweight Title

    1993-04-22 David Telesco W Brian Clements Paramount Theatre, New York, NY, USA KO 1 0
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1993-03-13 Ivan Robinson W Genaro Andujar McCann Recreation Center, Poughkeepsie, NY, USA UD 6 6
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1993-03-13 Steve Bedford L Andy Kilkenny McCann Recreation Center, Poughkeepsie, NY, USA TKO 1 0
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1993-02-18 Willy Wise W Glenn Odem Paramount Theatre, New York, NY, USA PTS 8 8
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1993-02-18 Ray Anis W Traore Ali Paramount Theatre, New York, NY, USA TKO 3 0
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1992-09-25 Regilio Tuur W Richard Salazar Catskill, NY, USA KO 3 0
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1992-09-25 Michael Bentt W Kenneth Myers Catskill, NY, USA TKO 3 8
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1992-09-25 David Brown W Jose Hernandez Catskill, NY, USA TKO 3 0
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1992-09-25 Sergei Kobozev W Carl Lee Wilson Catskill, NY, USA TKO 2 0
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1992-09-19 Kevin Pompey W Stan Cunningham Troy, NY, USA KO 3 0
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1992-07-01 Jimmy McMahon W Jerome Sims Brooklyn, NY, USA TKO 3 4
    ~ Time: 2:01 | Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1992-07-01 Daniel Alicea W Keisan Franceis Brooklyn, NY, USA TKO 4 4
    ~ Time: 2:02 | Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1992-07-01 Shawn Wilkins W Dimitri Epitchin Brooklyn, NY, USA MD 6 6
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Carol Castellano 58-56 | Judge: Barbara Perez 57-57 | Judge: Al Reid 58-56 ~

    1992-03-27 Lou Savarese W Elvin Evans Catskill, NY, USA KO 2 0
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    1991-12-12 Mitchell Rose L Tim Igo Binghamton, NY, USA PTS 4 4
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton ~

    Also some of the bouts my son Brett Lipton Judged:


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    1995-05-05 John Rush W Jesse Berry Schenectady, NY, USA PTS 4 4
    ~ Judge: Brett Lipton ~

    1995-05-05 Shawn Powell W Silverio Carmona Schenectady, NY, USA TKO 4 6
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Brett Lipton ~

    1995-05-05 Tony Acevedo W Jose Miguel Fernandez Schenectady, NY, USA PTS 4 4
    ~ Judge: Brett Lipton ~

    1995-05-05 Kevin Pompey W Dario Liriano Schenectady, NY, USA PTS 10 10
    ~ Judge: Brett Lipton ~

    1995-05-05 Robert Frazier W Pedro Ortiz Schenectady, NY, USA TKO 1 0
    ~ Judge: Brett Lipton ~

    1995-05-05 Zuri Lawrence D Garth Hedger Schenectady, NY, USA PTS 4 4
    ~ Referee: Ron Lipton | Judge: Brett Lipton ~






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