It's amazing that you said that Frank, that is one of the first things I teach in my boxing class.
It's amazing that you said that Frank, that is one of the first things I teach in my boxing class.
you been around , i bet lots of those guys don't know what we are talking about
"i bet lots of these guys dont know what were talking about"
Yeah, we're all uninformed or stupid.
Hey J Slade
I was't talking about the guys on the ZONE , i was talking about the so-call trainer's out there in the gyms, but if you think you fit in that group so be it
"but if you think you fit in that group so be it."
Since you're the one whose defining that 'group' I wouldn't know where I would fit into said group. Because it's obviously just a matter of your perception.
Lets keep this strictly boxing, especially on my thread please.
I think he was talking about that many guys in the gym would not know who Teddy Bentham was etc.
I know this is a little off-topic, but Ron, you just have to read my interview with Johnny Tapia. Specifically, some of his observations about Duran, Arguello, Ali, Robinson and Leonard are something else. Ditto for how he expresses himself when describing his love of boxing.
Karl, I think you'll get a kick out of it, too!
Here's the link:
<a href="http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/news/archives/00001205.htm" target="_new">Johnny Tapia Interview</a>
thank you Juan,
it was a very good interview and Tapia has sure been to hell and back. I wish he would end the ring career soon before he gets brain damage though as his best days in that ring were when he was younger and living clean.
It is not going to do him any good to continue to take punches to the head and body at 38.
His observations on Duran especially are accurate in that Duran was never hit a solid shot on the jaw too much in his career without negating it by twisting and turning his head and body. I always noticed that about him.
The few times he was hit clean under the chin (DeJesus) down he went, or from the side on the jaw (Hearns) he was made of the same stuff as every other human.
In his 15 rounds with Hagler I did not see one solid power punch land on his chin.
Good interview and we all wish Johnny the best for his family, he is one brave fighter.
I thought you'd enjoy that. Thanks!
I'll be reporting on his fight at the Aragon Ballroom this Friday. In a way, it feels like I'll be watching just a little bit of boxing history, as I take in this throwback fighter's efforts to position himself for one more title.
I liked that, Juan.
Kid would be hard to follow by a non-historian or boxer in some circumstances, but I got it.
I wish he would retire personally as he has nothing left to prove as he has been to the mountaintop.
Sounds like he is gonna keep on going like most of them do that can't hear the final bell.
I wish nothing but the best for this Gladiator.
I thought you would like that! I got a kick out of talking with Johnny Tapia. He seems like a terrific guy, not to mention a throwback type of fighter with interesting thoughts and observations about the sport of boxing.
Have a good day,
Having seen of course your views on not quitting in the ring. With the greatest respect meant to you and knowing where you are coming from and believe it i am from the same school of thought, meaning *give it your best shot or dont bother at all*
The difference is, in a lot of cases i feel the modern fighter is i would say better informed and now more knowledgeable health wise then the average fighter from the past. I Would not insult you are any other expert on here by naming the former great fighters let alone the unknown to many ex fighters who gave as we wanted in each and every fight there all. Then either ended up in the gutter so to speak, or at the very least they became a shadow of there former self. All because they were to brave, and in a great many cases exploited by there own charges and of course perhaps not educated enough to know the effects and pain that later in life lay in store for them.
Before you jump on me and give me a good kicking the above as i said is maybe not how i would seen it in the past if the fighter in the ring with the odds against him was taking a real battering. But now with old age and knowing some so called fans, again i dont mean us on here but the so called fan who i sometimes feels does not give a shit for the fighters welfare. Yes, i have seen drink sodden so called fans who would not have the courage to step into the worst fighters boots screaming at and baying for blood. I have to admit my train of thought these days is perhaps a little bit more forgiving at seeing a fighter quit rather then take a bad battering.
With your experience i am sure you know the correct time to step in and stop a fight. I also know off course not all referees or officials are up to standard in this direction. Till a few years ago i took the same stand that i feel most people that love the fight game had, but with age comes a little more wisdom and now i am perhaps a bit more forgiving if a fighter does not as we say go out on his shield.
On the other hand Ron maybe i am just getting a little soft in my late years
No Danny you are 100% right.
None of the carnivores in the seats should ever forget what it is really like in there. I think the people who love boxing, are people who work hard, have tough lives and many wish they could fullfill their dreams and be that guy in the ring and box on.
With the protection we have today, all most of us ask of the highly paid athlete is give it an honest go in the tradition of the sport.
The two doctors at ringside, the modern gloves, the well trained referees, the enswell, the coagulents, the better and thicker mouthpieces-gumshoes that prevent concussion are all a plus.
I just did not like the way Kostza folded with one round to go appearingly not in great distress.
Each man knows his limit, lets just come into that ring in shape, give it a go, respect your opponent and yourself and maybe just once in awhile when you are making over
$100K for a fight, just think of the fans and put on a bloody show.
I NEVER want to see a lad get hurt in there and the flipside of the coin was the horrible commentary by Dr. Ferdie Pacheco when Gerald McClellan took a knee while his poor brain was pounded into jelly by Nigel, and Pacheco said nothing was wrong with him etc.
A cut eye could portend blindness if in the orbital bone area. Then things must halt and to be damned with the fans.
If it is an injury we all get after a pint too many in the parking lot outside the pub, after a few wallops, the fight outside the bar has to at least be as good as the one I'm paying for on pay per view, or I am going to be quite disappointed to say the least.
John Houseman said it all to James Caan in Rollerball the movie, he let him know that all the bosses, all the white collar boys dream of being in there and doing the job on someone for pay. If the fates give you the chance, the tools, the opportunity, then mate, one must win one for the Gipper.
The Gipper being in this case all the loyal boxing fans who support the sport, guys in hospitals who can't fight or even have their health, and all the rest of us who love the game.
I didn't like Liston quitting on his stool, I didn't like the smell of Ali v Liston II, Tyson V Seldon, or the way Kostza went out V Hatton. It it is a bad cut, but not in a bad place, box on.
Ron called it perfectly.
It's not doing him any good taking "punches to the head AND body".
Tapia was paralyzed and destroyed by that side shot and I wish he would have retired as I stated before.
It pained me to watch that, Juan as I am down with a bad back at the moment.
This man has no business being in a boxing ring anymore, as much as I respect and admire him as a gladiator.
hey ron its me mike depaula. i just wanted to say hi
hey whats up?tell me why ring mag never rated my father frankie depaula?
It's been a long time. Your father and I boxed quite a bit up at Ehsan's training camp in Chatam as you know during the time Carter used the place.
I remember the time Frankie gave Rubin the present of the two gun holster set of two Hi Standard .22 Western style revolvers with a decorative black two gun rig.
Anyway you know I was with your Dad at the Rag Doll in Union City at times, and in later years when I was a Detective in the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office in the 70's I visited your father at the Jersey City Medical Center, where he later passed away.
All of the things that were going on in those days may have impacted on the Ring Magazine's ratings which were ruled by Nat Fleischer and his staff who had their own ideas about things.
Your father's fight V the great Dick Tiger I can still see punch for punch in my mind in Sept 68 while I was in the Essex County Police Academy. I wrote about this fight in the great book by Adeyinka Makinde, Dick Tiger, The Life and Times of a Boxing Immortal, by Word Association Publishers.
Please get a copy of that book asap Mike.
Your Dad was one of the hardest punchers I have ever seen but as you know he liked to party too. There was a time however he was at the top of his game and as strong as a bull. On a given night he was on of those guys if he landed on the chin, anyone goes out but hard.
If he had dedicated himself more to training he could have been rated higher. There were some tough people in those days in his division but like all of us his toughest opponent was himself. I was like that too as we all are when we are young.
Frankie was one guy not to cross, and he was wild and unpredictable. He ran with a tough, unforgiving crowd, guys who would not accept any kind of insult from anyone. I arrested one of them in conjuction with your Dad's case on a warrant I served literally at the Chuck Wepner V Randy Neuman card in Jersey City.
Bad memories Mikey, it was a jungle then as it is now.
That's why I stay home a lot and away from people who sooner or later will make you fight. There out there in nightclubs, bars and on the job.
Your pops would take shit from no one, absolutely no one
and while his roller coaster life ended hard, he made his mark in that ring as the fight of the year in 1968 and no one can ever take that away from him.
He also left a mighty fine son and many fans who relive his exciting ring memories here on the zone.
I rate him as one of the best one shot punchers ever at lt heavy Mike.
You stay well and I always like to hear from you, God bless you.
hey ron thank you for those words.as you know im in florida now but ill be up in jersey city on the 26th of this month for only 3 days. why dont we meet somewhere. the first drink is on me.
ps as for as that book goes belive it or not im broke!!!! but i got a mention in the book
hey ron.i got stuff on the old timers board about my father check it out and let me know what you think. i got one who is the real rocky chuck wepner or frankie depaula.and there is more stuff.
hey what was the deal with that midget mario?someone told me that he was involved in setting my father up the night he was shot?
hey ron. do me a favor can you email me a picture of my dad knocking down tiger?this way i can make copys.you can email it to me at firstname.lastname@example.org please ill make copys and bring to jersey city.
I'm wondering if you knew Bobby Halpern? If you did, could you fill us in on him a little bit. I'm sure a lot of people here would find his story very interesting.
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It's been a long time since I made that arrest of Gary Garafola in Jersey City. I don't remember a midget's involvement at this time without reviewing the file, which was in our Homicide division of the Prosecutor's office which was run then by Steve McCabe a former NY City cop.
I was assigned the arrest of Garafola and subsequent court squad issues in assisting them on the case.
I went with them to see Frankie in the hospital and it was grim down there.
The pictures of the exchanged knockdowns on the DePaula V Tiger fight are on the web. I will look it up and be back to you.
TKO Tom, how is it going buddy?
I ran into Halpearn in the day when I did not miss a fight in the old Garden. I was ringside when Guy The Rock Casale laid him out and I still cringe at that punch.
All time showstopper right hand. BRUTAL.
He was always nice to me and the fans outside the Garden and very appreciative that anyone cared about him as a fan.
The Hebrew Hammer was a character and a half, very tough man, very strong, a real product of the mean streets and would fight anyone like a Bummy Davis.
I read an updated article on him long ago and forgot what it said, I wonder what's what with Halpearn today.
You will find the pictures at this website.
That was some fight Mike as you know by now.
I had been Tiger's sparring partner and very close friend for years after that up until his death.
I knew your Dad pretty good from staying up in camp in Chatam NJ with him and fighting for my life in Ehsan's ring to deal with Frankie's power and come out alive.
The toughest part was getting him up to run in the morning and covering for him when he would sneak out of camp at night and did not train and looked bad when the managers would come up there and yell at everyone.
I wanted to see a good fight between them and did not want to see either one get hurt. When Tiger went down I was instinctively yelling for him to get up as I was in such shock he went down.
I thought Frank would be blown out of there based on the Charlie Devil Green fight which I missed seeing but heard about.
Frankie surprised everyone that night and hung tough till the end, and I had much respect for both their courage.
thanks ron.i met garys son he told me his dad did not do it he his told him it was a guy named joe dogs do you know anything about that piece of shit?
hey ron is there anyway to get that case reopened?i would do what ever it takes for it to be reopened!!
hey ron did you know rubin carter changed his phone#if you want his new one ill email to you let me know
I am at the point now in my life where I have learned a few things. Believe me people are not going to tell you they killed someone.
If you have evidence that you feel should be looked into go to the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office in Jersey City, 595 Newark Ave and tell them who you are and what you believe happened and why.
I remember most of the office at that time believed Garafola did it. I do not know otherwise. I was the head of the SWAT team for 5 years and they used me for difficult arrests etc, as their police firearm instructor. I did not see the intimate details of the case.
I also worked the Organized Crime squad and I saw guys in the hallway at that trial who were the last people anyone would mess with in this life. The woman witness folded like a wet taco.
This female witness who initially said Garafola did it and then after she took a good look at the mob guys around that trial, she flip flopped on the stand and later died anyway. I believe she was killed.
Your Dad ran with some rough boys Mike, and him and I were just two tough kids who liked to fight with our fists.
These other people were stone cold murderers which is a nightmare for decent people who believe in God and want no part of these things.
All the detectives believed they had the man who did it.
Who knows anymore. Some of the cops I saw down there were worse than the mob guys, and I shit you not.
I have seen police in Orange County NY where I worked too, frame people, put them in jail and act like it is nothing.
They had two NY State Troopers who went to prison for framing and get this, over 6000 people by placing their fingerprints at the scenes of crimes just so they could solve a crime.
This was on tv and they showed a film of the two troopers testifying in open court that they found the defts fingerprints at the scene. Then the camera showed this poor man sitting there while the two cops placed their hands on the bible and swore his life away, just sitting at the defense table, helpless with no one believing him.
I have seen people perjure themselves in trials against me, and have lost a lot of faith in some officers integrity.
It goes on and on.
All we can do is take it one day at a time.
If it was my family member, I would not give a shit what someone's son told me, what Rubin told you, or what anyone told me, what the **** are they going to say, you know what I mean.
Not to disrespect his son or Carter here, or anyone else including Garafola, but I would find the detectives who worked on the case and speak to them. It's been 30 years now, maybe someone will talk to you. They should.
Rocky Alkazoff will tell you, there are guys in the slam, who everyone knows did something bad, but they become psychotic liars even making themselves believe they did not do it and when you talk to them you are talking to the other half of Norman Bates whose mother in Psycho really believed Norman was a bad boy etc.
I have seen master liars, cops, thugs, females, males,
and all of them are 100% convincing even when you catch them with the smoking gun.
After awhile Mike, you become seasoned wood that can see through bullshit 5 miles away. I heard it all believe me.
FOIL the records on the case, call them up and file a Freedom of Information request and see what you get that isn't redacted.