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    Ibragimov vs Holyfield Predictions, Press, Discussion

    I'm looking forward to this scrap. This is going to make for a very good fight.

    This is from ESPN.com



    There hasn't been a recognized world heavyweight champion since the retirement of Lennox Lewis in January 2004, but titleholder Sultan Ibragimov and Ruslan Chagaev hope to change that.

    Heavyweight Champions

    WBA: Ruslan Chagaev
    WBC: Oleg Maskaev
    IBF: Wladimir Klitschko
    WBO: Sultan Ibragimov



    They will meet on a date to be determined in October in Moscow, Leon Margules of Ibragimov promoter Seminole Warriors Boxing told ESPN.com on Tuesday. He was about to board a flight for Moscow, where the fight will be formally announced Thursday at a news conference at the President Hotel.
    "It's a done deal," Margules said. "We're doing a unification fight, which is what everyone is crying for. The fighters wanted to fight each other and we made a deal, and when it's over, there will be one less heavyweight champion."
    It will be the division's first unification fight since Lewis became the undisputed champion by defeating Evander Holyfield in their November 1999 rematch.


    A Fistful of Firsts


    In the case of Sultan Ibragimov vs. Ruslan Chagaev, their October bout will be ...
    • The heavyweight division's first unification fight since Lennox Lewis-Evander Holyfield in November 1999.
    • The first heavyweight unification fight that won't involve an American.
    • The first heavyweight unification bout held outside the United States.
    • The first defenses for the southpaw titleholders.



    It will also be the first heavyweight unification fight that won't involve an American and the first heavyweight unification bout held outside the United States.
    Ibragimov, 32, of Russia, won the WBO version of the title on June 2 with a lopsided unanimous decision against Shannon Briggs in Atlantic City, N.J. Chagaev, 28, a native of Uzbekistan based in Germany, won a majority decision to lift the WBA belt from Nikolai Valuev on April 14 in Germany. The southpaw titleholders will both be making their first defense.
    "After the Briggs fight, Sultan told us he wanted to unify and his marching orders to us were to try to make a unification fight," Margules said. "That's what we did."
    There had been a lot of discussion about Ibragimov making his first defense against former four-time champ Holyfield provided Holyfield defeats Lou Savarese on Saturday. But when the unification fight with Chagaev became a serious possibility, Warriors pursued it.
    "It was a simple deal to make," Margules said. "In fact, it was the easiest deal I have ever made in my life."

    Chagaev

    Ibragimov


    Margules and Universum Box-Promotion's Peter Kohl quickly hashed out a deal over the weekend.
    "They sent me a contract, I tweaked it, sent it back, and it was done," Margules said. "Chagaev is flying to Moscow for the press conference. We made a deal Friday evening, the contracts were done over the weekend and finished on Monday. Everybody is ecstatic. They can't wait to unify."
    Financial terms were not disclosed.
    Wladimir Klitschko, widely regarded as the best of the four heavyweight beltholders, defends his IBF belt July 7 against Lamon Brewster in Germany and WBC titlist Oleg Maskaev is due to make a mandatory defense against Samuel Peter on Oct. 6 at New York's Madison Square Garden.
    The winner of Ibragimov-Chagaev, however, will emerge from the fight with the leverage of having unified titles.
    According to Margules, the date for the fight will be Oct. 6, 13 or 20, but it will be determined by ZDF, the German television network that has a contract to televise Universum-promoted fights.
    "ZDF controls the date," Margules said. "Chagaev is locked into them."
    Margules said there is no deal for the fight to be televised in the United States, but he said he would talk to HBO and Showtime to gauge potential interest. If they pass, he said he will make the fight available to American fans via pay-per-view.
    "The fight is made and the contracts are signed," he said. "The fight will happen with or without American television."
    Dan Rafael covers boxing for ESPN.com.

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    I'd have to make Chagaev a solid favorite in this one. He may be the best heavy out there right now, given W. Klitschko's inconsistent chin. PeteLeo.

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    The Thrilla in Vanilla!!!!!!

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael
    The Thrilla in Vanilla!!!!!!
    Great line. My thoughts exactly! It should be a competitive fight with a great national pride atmosphere (which is what has made boxing great recently), but this does not hold a candle to the significance of Holyfield-Lewis. Maybe if the winner of this fight fought Klitschko, I would think of it more as a unification. But I get the feeling that even the winner of this fight will only be the 2nd greatest HW in the world, or maybe 3rd (behind Klit and I'm assuming Peter).

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    I'll take the Sultan who has earned his belt the hard way.

    Chagaev was most unimpressive and very much the loser against Valuev, though he was smart enough to know what to do for the political decision.

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    I just can't yet get past how poor Ibragimov looked against Ray Austin -- remember Ray Austin? The guy who lost to Klitschko in two rounds during which Wlad threw exactly no right hands? --, a fight I thought he lost. I've never seen Chagaev look close to that bad. In fact, aside from the Valuev match, I've never seen Ruslan even pressed in a bout (the "draw" was a technical one in a fight Chagev was a punch or two away from winning by KO). He also has that sparkling amateur win over a still useful Felix Savon.

    But, neither Chagaev or Ibragimov is even a toupee above half a dozen other would-be champions just now. If Wlad manages to impress in the Brewster rematch (a distinct possibility, since Lamon took a horrendous beating in that first fight and in several of his title defenses -- I honestly fear for the man's brain cells), he'll probably remain the one clear claimant. It will be fun seeing who emerges from the Maskaev-Peter-V. Klitschko round-robin. PeteLeo.

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    Me too. He looked dreadful & unwilling to press against Austin whereas he looked great bullying a similar sized Whitaker the previous year. Austin's style is not be as easy to fight as Whitaker but I was expecting him to look much better. Chagaev appears to be a much more consistent & complete fighter than Ibragimov at this point.

    I think Brewster is one beating away from some permanent damage. He takes a punch too well for his own good and I don't see lightning striking twice when he gets in the ring with Wlad again.

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    I dunno Pete... Brewster will be well rested.

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    This should be a very good and competetive fight . . two titlists are fighting each other and not defending against Holyfield or Ruiz (I think the recent PPV disasters of Holyfield, Rahman, Briggs etc. convinced the promoters that having gimmee defenses vs 90s American retreads will just not work financially anymore)

    Similar size, both undefeated, both southpaws . . .it's about time the younger Russians began fighting each other and this is the start.

    I favor Chagaev by late TKO, due to a more complete set of skills, better chin, and I think a slightly bigger puncher.

    I think the winner of this fight and Klitschko are neck and neck in terms of who is the best HW out there (which is why they'll have to fight)

    Sam Peter? . . give me a break. It looks like Toney (Peter's lone win vs a top 10 guy) losing to a light HW clubfighter still hasn't convinced some people Samuel is massively over-rated.

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    I think I'm late here, but The Thrilla In Vanilla is a great title. I hope their desire to unify is contageous with the other strap holders. I bet the first guy to get a crack at the winner is Holyfield, given he keeps winning.
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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    I don't like to be a killjoy, but "The Vanilla Thrilla" was first used as a tag line for the June 14, 1986 Canadian heavyweight title bout between Willie de Wit and Ken Lakusta in Edmonton ...

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    Whoop-dee-doo.

    Chagaev out, Commander Vander in.

    Thank goodness for the fights coming up in the lower weight classes.

    The Heavyweights let down once again.

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    Holyfiled has a other shot at the title. Cant belive this. But than again thats boxing.

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    It's been 5 yrs since Holy beat a contender, and he was been beat by 3 contenders in a row after that fight.

    Well, folks, it ain't about the best anymore and maybe never was. Guess they wanted a promotional schtick and now they got it. Hope he gets the Holycrap kicked out of him so we don't have to see him anymore. He's full of it, literally.

    Chagaev withdraws because of an undisclosed medical condition, eh? Yeah, a case of spenditus as he spends all that money he got under the table.

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto Aqui
    It's been 5 yrs since Holy beat a contender, and he was been beat by 3 contenders in a row after that fight.

    Well, folks, it ain't about the best anymore and maybe never was. Guess they wanted a promotional schtick and now they got it. Hope he gets the Holycrap kicked out of him so we don't have to see him anymore. He's full of it, literally.

    Chagaev withdraws because of an undisclosed medical condition, eh? Yeah, a case of spenditus as he spends all that money he got under the table.
    I concur, the way he got some "undisclosed injury" and Holyfield stepped in right away as the opponent in the same announcement is suspicious.

    However, Chagaev was gonna make decent money in Russia vs Sultan and is Holyfield still with Murad Mohammad? That man hasn't written a good check in over a decade. How much could have Holyfield's team really offered in any case? I don't think much.

    Another site saying Chagaev got a "painful but non-life threatening illness" leads one to suspect, Ruslan may have partied too much with Slavic groupies after winning the title and gotten HIV. Of course that's probably a stretch.
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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    Neither guys are Russian. Chagaev is a Uzbek and Ibrahimov is a Dagastani from the Caucasus....

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    well this is an interesting turn of events. and i have a personal stake in this fight since i am at least in line to announce it. i can't speak for what caused chagaev to pull out but knowing Sultan and his crew as I do, I know he wanted to fight for unification, win or lose. I give him that much credit. I know he was really looking foreward to fighting Chagaev, he was not happy with the result agasint Briggs, even as I announced him as the new champion.....to look at his face, you would have thought I announced Briggs as the winner. This guy has a lot of pride and wants to be the best in the division. It's a business move..Holyfield still has a name....he will be going for his 5th heavyweight title...casual fans will take interest. I think it could be an interesting fight early on...Holy is not what he was but he will come in shape and will display his heart. I just think Sultan is too young, fast, and powerful. Anyone who thinks he can't punch needs to think twice. He fought a very controlled fight agasint Briggs to take the title. I mean can this fight be any less entertaining than Wlad vs Brewster II? not a knock on Wlad btw

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    What a joke this is when it took a war for Sam Peter to get a mandatory shot signed with Maskaev.

    I was saying just after Holy's last fight that I didn't think it would be out of the question that he would somehow be lining up for a title...but this soon?

    Holy can still pop & apparently move just enough to worry the somewhat porous defense of Ibragimov. Ibragimov in all honesty should take Holy but this is not one of the fighters I wanted see him to get a crack at to get a title. Hell maybe he should win so he'll finally call it a day....yeah right.

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    Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    CHAGAEV WITHDRAWS FROM UNIFICATION BOUT IBRAGIMOV VS HOLYFIELD NOW TO TAKE PLACE IN MOSCOW ON OCTOBER 13TH


    For Immediate Release

    HOLLYWOOD, FL, August 2 – After the sudden withdrawal of WBA Heavyweight Champion Ruslan Chagaev from his October 13th unification bout with WBO Heavyweight Champion Sultan Ibragimov due to undisclosed medical reasons, Seminole Warriors Boxing, Golden Boy Promotions, Main Events and Golden Grain Promotions, in association with Sampson Lewkowicz and Yuri Federov’s Sports Lab, are pleased to announce that stepping up to the plate in an attempt to win the heavyweight championship of the world for a fifth time is Evander “The Real Deal” Holyfield.

    Ibragimov-Holyfield sponsored by Nafta Moskva, will take place on the original date of Ibragimov-Chagaev, Saturday, October 13, at the state of the art Khodynka Arena in Moscow, Russia. Broadcast plans for the bout will be announced once they are secured.


    “When a fighter pulls out of a major fight, it’s always a headache for the other fighter and the promoter, but this time, we have been able to put together another historic bout for fight fans as Evander Holyfield fights in Russia for the first time in his professional career and tries to make history by taking Sultan Ibragimov’s heavyweight title. This will be an unforgettable night,” said Leon Margules, Executive Director of Seminole Warriors Boxing.


    Holyfield (42-8-2, 27 KOs), the four-time world heavyweight champion and former undisputed world cruiserweight champion, has already carved out a place for himself in boxing’s Hall of Fame in Canastota, New York with his stellar career, which includes wins over Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Riddick Bowe, Michael Moorer, John Ruiz, and Hasim Rahman. But “The Real Deal” has plenty of fight left, and currently riding an impressive four fight winning streak, Holyfield is eager to once again fight for the world heavyweight crown.

    When offered the fight “The Real Deal” did not hesitate and quickly agreed to challenge Ibragimov in his home country.


    “This is the first step on my quest to become the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, and I’m glad Sultan Ibragimov was willing to step up and give me a shot,” said Holyfield. “I’m looking forward to fighting in Moscow for the first time and winning my fifth heavyweight title there.”


    A 2000 Olympic Silver medalist for Russia, Sultan Ibragimov (21-0-1, 17 KOs) struck heavyweight Gold in June when he decisively decisioned Shannon Briggs over 12 rounds to win the WBO heavyweight championship. For the fifth southpaw to win the heavyweight crown, it was the culmination of a journey that began in Dagestan and which led him to wins over Al Cole, Lance Whitaker, and Javier Mora. Now, the 32-year old – who can either box or bang between the ropes - will return home to face a boxing icon.


    “Of course I’m disappointed that Chagaev pulled out of our fight and won’t allow me to unify our titles, but fighting a legend like Evander Holyfield is even better,” said Ibragimov. “And though I respect what he has done in his career, once the bell rings it will be all business, because he is trying to take what I have worked so hard for – my world championship.”


    Today, at the press-center of the ‘ITAR TASS’ agency in Moscow, it was announced by both Sultan Ibragimov and Evander Holyfield that this fight will take place on the originally scheduled date of Saturday, October 13, 2007.


    For more information on Seminole Warrior’s Boxing, please visit our website at www.warriorsboxing.com

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    CHAGAEV WITHDRAWS FROM UNIFICATION BOUT IBRAGIMOV VS HOLYFIELD NOW TO TAKE PLACE IN MOSCOW ON OCTOBER 13TH

    Now, this is a joke!!

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    A Joke??? How can it be a joke when it happen lol.

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    Re: Ibragimov, Chagaev to unify heavyweight titles in October

    Quote Originally Posted by greek1237
    A Joke??? How can it be a joke when it happen lol.
    It haven't happen yet!!

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    Re: Chagaev out -- Ibragimov to fight Holyfield

    I do not understand the negative comments regarding Holyfield, who did beat Hasim Rahman in his 40s. Isn't this the same Ibragimov who drew with Ray Austin over 12 rounds? Isn't that the same Ray Austin who was pathetic against Wladimir K? Did anyone actually see Sultan beat Briggs? What a poor excuse for a heavyweight title fight. Sultan won that night because Briggs must have figured, as promoter Mickey Duff once said, that every time he throws a punch it will cost him money and Briggs is very frugal, ya know. I'm not predicting a Holyfield victory here, but the way some of these posters are carrying on, you would think Sultan was Joe Louis. Get a grip, guys, he is just one of a group of so-called belt holders who would get drilled by a guy like Bob Satterfield.

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    Re: Chagaev out -- Ibragimov to fight Holyfield

    Wolgast;

    It's not about Ibragimov, it's about Holyfield, how in hell does he deserve any kind of a title shot nowdays, beating some of the fighters he has fought lately don't qualify him for any kind of title fight, even against Ibragimov who is no great fighter himself.

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    Re: Chagaev out -- Ibragimov to fight Holyfield

    Exactly

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    Re: Chagaev out -- Ibragimov to fight Holyfield

    Quote Originally Posted by wolgast
    I do not understand the negative comments regarding Holyfield, who did beat Hasim Rahman in his 40s. Isn't this the same Ibragimov who drew with Ray Austin over 12 rounds? Isn't that the same Ray Austin who was pathetic against Wladimir K? Did anyone actually see Sultan beat Briggs? What a poor excuse for a heavyweight title fight. Sultan won that night because Briggs must have figured, as promoter Mickey Duff once said, that every time he throws a punch it will cost him money and Briggs is very frugal, ya know. I'm not predicting a Holyfield victory here, but the way some of these posters are carrying on, you would think Sultan was Joe Louis. Get a grip, guys, he is just one of a group of so-called belt holders who would get drilled by a guy like Bob Satterfield.


    It's not that Sultan is a world beater, but Holyfield reflexes are so shot, he can't avoid punches anymore. Lucky for him Fres was too scared to throw anything meanignful after the 1st round KD in their fight (and Oquendo has fought that way since getting iced by David Tua), but Holyfield gets a close decision win there in a fight in which he can't even pull the trigger (he won rounds by looking meaner while both fighters stared at each other) and then fights two club level punching bags in a semi-retired, other senior tour participant in Lou Saverese and D grade Vinny Madd (shows how confident his team was)

    Ibragimov has decent punching power, quick hands, and notably, is a SOUTHPAW. Holyfield will be eating straight left hands all night long. It will be sad to watch. I actually hope Ibragimov makes it one-sided enough so that Evander will finally realize time is up.

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    Re: Chagaev out -- Ibragimov to fight Holyfield

    Quote Originally Posted by wolgast
    I do not understand the negative comments regarding Holyfield
    Lessee, if Holy lasts the distance they give him the belt. Holy makes a megatron bout in Bejing against Ali, who lasts the distance. Ali then makes a gargantutron long awaited rematch against Big George in B'harain who lasts the distance.

    Big George gives Ronald McDonald a shot at the title and folks are talking about the best era in the history of boxing as 75 yr old Ingo announces his challenge to the title.

    Yup, that young pup Holy ain't gotta chance against them ol'timers!

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    Re: Chagaev out -- Ibragimov to fight Holyfield

    in defense of sultan, i would never compare him to joe louis, but to say he is not one of the best heavyweights in the world right now is nonsense. yes he drew with ray austin, in a fight that he admitted he was not in proper shape. he is still unbeaten, he is still a very talented fighter and he dominated shannon briggs, who many "experts" predicted would knock sultan out. it was not he that backed out of the title unification. and as far as knocking sultan for one subpar performance, i dont see anyone knocking wlad for getting knocked out by the likes of corrie sanders and lamon brewster. and i dont see sultan blasting holyfield in 46 seconds like he did javier mora, i just think he is younger, faster and is a better fighter at this stage. holyfield may not be deserving of a title shot but i think he will be in better shape and show a lot more desire and heart than wlad's last challenger.

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    Re: Chagaev out -- Ibragimov to fight Holyfield

    Quote Originally Posted by kikibalt
    Wolgast;

    It's not about Ibragimov, it's about Holyfield, how in hell does he deserve any kind of a title shot nowdays, beating some of the fighters he has fought lately don't qualify him for any kind of title fight, even against Ibragimov who is no great fighter himself.


    kikibalt hit the nail right on the head.
    russian vs russian for a unification had me a little interested. holyfield, no interest whatsoever. vuluev vs holyfield would even be more interesting just because both fighters can't move and would have to slug it out in the center of the ring. I'm surprised lewis doesn't un-retire out of disgust. Boxing would welcome him back with open arms.

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    Re: Chagaev out -- Ibragimov to fight Holyfield

    That's some slick maneuvering.

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