2008 HOF Nominees

[GorDoom]

Well here it is guys. Once again there are two GLARING ommissions:
Featherweight champ, Davey Moore & the CBZ's great lightweight champion, Gato Gonzalez


Georgie Abrams
Horacio Accavallo
Joey Archer
Jose Beccerra
Johnny Bratton
Jimmy Carruthers
Jung Koo Chang
Donald Curry
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Tommy Farr
Tiger Jack Fox
Ceferino Garcia
Betulio Gonzalez
Yoko Gushiken
Naseem Hamed
Carlos Hernandez
Rafael Herrera
Larry Holmes
Al Hostak
Harry Jeffra
Peter Kane
Cocoa Kid
Pone Kingpetch
Tippy Larkin
Jose Legra
Miguel Lora
Raul Macias
ErnestoMarcel
Lloyd Marshall
Freddie Mills
Brian Mitchell
Rinty Monaghan
Masao Ohba
Ken Overlin
Eddie Perkins
Gustave Roth
Lou Salica
Dave Sands
Petey Scalzo
Samuel Serrano
Yoshio Shirai
Kid Tunero
Holman Williams
Myung Woo Yuh
Hilario Zapata

[hawk5ins]

Santos Laciar being left off. Two time Flyweight Champ. Relatively long an successful second reign (Lost his title initially on a bad duke). Made I beleive 8 or 9 defenses

Moved up and won a second divisional title at SUper Flyweight.

IMO the Only seeming "Layup" for induction would be Larry Holmes among the list of nominees.

I can't say postively who will join his induction this year, based on the list and who has been passed over in years past.

Hawk

[bodyblow]

Frank Klaus and Mike O'Dowd should have been in the hall a LONG time ago.

[bodyblow]

Frank Klaus and Mike O'Dowd should have been in the hall a LONG time ago.

[Phillyfan]

I hope they put eddie perkins in. He was inducted into the world boxing hall of fame last year. the smile never left his face all weekend.

on a side note, hamed?

[greek1237]

Mike McTige is still NOT on the list.Wow.

Yeah I think Moore should be in the hall also.

[dnahar]

If I had to pick my top candidates from that list for enshrinement, I would vote for:

1) Larry Holmes, obviously
2) Jung-Koo Chang: a GREAT fighter who should have been the first lighterweight fighter selected, ahead of Gonzalez and Carbajal. He is one of the Top 3-4 Asian fighters of all-time on most Asian expert lists. He is a glaring omission from the HOF, if it truly is a world HOF which it is supposed to be. As much a lock as Larry Holmes, if you look at boxing on a worldwide level. 16-4 in title fights.
3) Horacio Accavallo: a Ring magazine Top 10 rated fighter for 10 straight years, lost only 2 fights, beat champion Salvatore Burruni and then was refused a rematch for the title, hence the split of the flyweight championship that has never been unified since. 3 of the 6 draws were in Italy, and the first loss to Burruni was in Italy. Was 4-0 in title fights.
4) Harry Jeffra: In the era of the eight natural weight divisions, Jeffra won both the bantamweight and featherweight titles. Not only that, but he dominated a HOF fighter in Sixto Escobar to win the bantam title and was a Ring Top 10 contender for 9 years. He was a member of the Ring Magazine HOF before it disbanded.
5) Hilario Zapata: using his natural advantages as a 5"6' fighter in jr flyweight and flyweight, he dominated and had an 18-5-1 record in title fights.
6) Masao Ohba: a great flyweight champ who tragically was killed at age 23 while still champion. Using his 5-5 1/2 frame, he used a superior jab to fend off opponents which included Betulio Gonzalez and Chartchai Chionoi.

Deepak

[jim glen]

WHY is it some British Bigmen get no ink?
I know historically American bigmen were better, but to forget "some" of the great British bigmen is wrong...I get so confused at the amount of times I see Kid Tunero mentioned among the greats (and I believe he should be), yet there is No One EVER mentioning McAvoy(?).

I have tried to impress on people the McAvoy's of British bigmen.

I wish writer's like Mike Casey, or researchers like Barry Deskins or other such respected people would start putting the great British bigmen forward, there are some that deserve it you know! Jock McAvoy, Bert Gilroy, Len Johnson, Jack Casey, Ernie Roderick and a few others who obviously should'nt be forgotten!

Jim.

[kikibalt]

I hope they put eddie perkins in. He was inducted into the world boxing hall of fame last year. the smile never left his face all weekend.

on a side note, hamed?

Perkins-Yes

Hamed-NO!

[bodyblow]

Mike McTigue shouldnt be on the list. Not for a hundred years. He was the definition of the phrase "cheese champ."

[PeteLeo]

Not to intrude, but I believe the reference to Mike McT. was meant in a humorous way. PeteLeo.

[greek1237]

I not jokeing. McTigue was a fomer champ with wins over Siki and a few other boxers. He was a big name in the 1920's. If Ingo got in, than McTigue who did MORE should get in imo.

[ultimo]

Who would have thought it would take Larry Holmes this long to get into the hall of fame? Serrano I don't care for but he was champ the same time Larry was and Marvin was so I guess he's okay. Some of those other guys are from way back; Pone Kingpetch-wasn't he champion in 1960 or something?

I would definitely leave out Naseem Hamed I couldn't stand that je-rk off and the way he entered the ring. he doesn't even know how to lose in a digified manner. Curry was hot or at least the writers thought so but that's all lost because of the way the losses piled up so now he's just so-so in everyone's mind.

[PeteLeo]

I not jokeing. McTigue was a fomer champ with wins over Siki and a few other boxers. He was a big name in the 1920's. If Ingo got in, than McTigue who did MORE should get in imo.

Okay, sorry for overstepping my bounds.

As for Hamed, I think this is a case where we just have to set aside our emotions. The guy did come across as a little ass, but for most of a decade he was also clearly the best man at his weight. His combination of speed and power could almost be termed unique (well, except for folks like RJJ and SRR), and he pretty much obliterated everyone even remotely qualified to challenge him. Maybe his comp wasn't HOF quality, but as been said here many times, you can only fight whoever's around when you are.

I think Hamed's career parallels that of Aaron Pryor in many key ways, and I think he's just as deserving of enshrinement in the Hall. PeteLeo.

[Phillyfan]

I hope they put eddie perkins in. He was inducted into the world boxing hall of fame last year. the smile never left his face all weekend.

on a side note, hamed?

I was thinking more along the line of, hamed?(I can't believe he's even on the list)
I loved watching him fight and his ring entrances. If there was a catagory for most entertaining, he would be right up there with Ali and paez, but as for his record, I don't think he's a hall of famer.

[starlingstomp]

Well he definitely is a hall of famer by current standards.

Was he a truly great fighter?.No of course not, but the bar is set lower than that for the IBHOF.

[wolgast]

Hamed has a good shot to get voted in because there are a lot of overseas voters and there are too many voters who have no clue as to what went on prior to the 1960s. Actually, putting him on the ballot I thought was a joke. If the voters knew even a little, Eddie Perkins would have been inducted years ago. Same for Lloyd Marshall, who beat 6 world champs and never got a shot at the light-heavy title. Holman Williams should be in. Feather Davey Moore should be on the ballot--and in. Tiger Jack Fox and Cocoa Kid, also. The Hall of Fame needs to revamp the voting committee and certainly the nominating committee. Just because someone covers boxing does not mean he has any clue about the storied history of the sport.

[jim glen]

precisely wolgast!

[starlingstomp]

Everybody has gaps in knowledge and certain era's they know better.I think the best bet for a worthy and varied Hall is to ensure there is a wide variety of voters with different knowledge bases.

[greek1237]

thought Little Red was all ready in the hall.

[-KOKid-]

Harry Lewis is another forgotten great who should have been in a long time ago.
I also feel Memphis Pal Moore is worthy too.

-KOKid-

[hawk5ins]

Modern

Muhammad Ali
Sammy Angott
Fred Apostoli
Alexis Arguello
Henry Armstrong
Carmen Basilio
Wilfred Benitez
Nino Benvenuti
Jackie "Kid" Berg
Jimmy Bivins
Joe Brown
Ken Buchanan
Charley Burley
Miguel Canto
Michael Carbajal
Jimmy Carter
Marcel Cerdan
Antonio Cervantes
Bobby Chacon
Jeff Chandler
Ezzard Charles
Curtis Cokes
Billy Conn
Pipino Cuevas
Roberto Duran
Flash Elorde
Jeff Fenech
George Foreman
Bob Foster
Joe Frazier
Gene Fullmer
Khaosai Galaxy
Victor Galindez
Kid Gavilan
Joey Giardello
Wilfredo Gomez
Humberto Gonzalez
Billy Graham
Rocky Graziano
Emile Griffith
Marvin Hagler
"Fighting" Harada
Beau Jack
Lew Jenkins
Eder Jofre
Ingemar Johansson
Harold Johnson
Ismael Laguna
Jake LaMotta
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sonny Liston
Nicolino Locche
Duilio Loi
Ricardo Lopez
Joe Louis
Barry McGuigan
Mike McCallum
Rocky Marciano
Joey Maxim
Bob Montgomery
Carlos Monzon
Archie Moore
Jose Napoles
Ken Norton
Terry Norris
Azumah Nelson
Ruben Olivares
Bobo Olson
Carlos Ortiz
Manuel Ortiz
Carlos Palomino
Laszlo Papp
Willie Pastrano
Floyd Patterson
Eusebio Pedroza
Willie Pep
Pascual Perez
Aaron Pryor
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Sugar Ramos
Luis Rodriguez
Sugar Ray Robinson
Edwin Rosario
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Sandy Saddler
Vicente Saldivar
Salvador Sanchez
Max Schmeling
Michael Spinks
Dick Tiger
Jose Torres
Randy Turpin
Jersey Joe Walcott
Pernell Whitaker
Ike Williams
Chalky Wright
Tony Zale
Daniel Zaragoza
Carlos Zarate
Fritzie Zivic

Old Timer

Lou Ambers
Baby Arizmendi
Abe Attell
Max Baer
Jim Barry
Benny Bass
Battling Battalino
Paul Berlenbach
James J. Braddock
Jack Britton
Lou Brouillard
Panama Al Brown
Tommy Burns
Tony Canzoneri
Georges Carpentier
Kid Chocolate
Joe Choynski
James J. Corbett
Young Corbett III
Johnny Coulon
Eugene Criqui
Les Darcey
Jack Delaney
"Nonpareil" Dempsey
Jack Dempsey
Jim Driscoll
Jack Dillon
George Dixon
Johnny Dundee
Sixto Escobar
Jackie Fields
Bob Fitzsimmons
Tiger Flowers
Joe Gans
Frankie Genaro
Mike Gibbons
Tommy Gibbons
George Godfrey
Harry Greb
Young Griffo
Harry Harris
Pete Herman
Peter Jackson
Joe Jeanette
James J. Jeffries
Jack Johnson
Louis "Kid" Kaplan
Stanley Ketchel
Dixie Kid
Johnny Kilbane
Fidel LaBarba
Sam Langford
Kid Lavigne
Benny Leonard
Battling Levinsky
John Henry Lewis
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Tommy Loughran
Benny Lynch
Joe Lynch
Sammy Mandell
Jack McAuliffe
Charles "Kid" McCoy
Packey McFarland
Terry McGovern
Jimmy McLarnin
Sam McVey
Freddie Miller
Charley Mitchell
Pedro Montanez
Owen Moran
Battling Nelson
Kid Norfolk
Phila. Jack O'Brien
Billy Papke
Billy Petrolle
Willie Ritchie
Maxie Rosenbloom
Barney Ross
Tommy Ryan
Jack Sharkey
Jimmy Slattery
Tom Sharkey
Freddie Steele
Young Stribling
Charles "Bud" Taylor
Lew Tendler
Marcel Thil
Gene Tunney
Pancho Villa
"Barbados" Joe Walcott
Mickey Walker
Freddie Welsh
Jimmy Wilde
Jess Willard
Kid Williams
Harry Wills
Ad Wolgast
Midget Wolgast
Teddy Yarosz

Pioneer

Barney Aaron
Young Barney Aaron
Caleb Baldwin
Jem Belcher
Ben Brain
Jack Broughton
James Burke
Jem Carney
Arthur Chambers
Tom Cribb
Dick Curtis
Prof. Mike Donovan
Paddy Duffy
Billy Edwards
James Figg
Joe Goss
John C. Heenan
John Jackson
Tom Johnson
Tom King
Nat Langham
Jem Mace
Daniel Mendoza
Tom Molineaux
John Morrissey
Henry Pearce
Jack Randall
Bill Richmond
Dutch Sam
Young Dutch Sam
Tom Sayers
Tom Spring
John L. Sullivan
Bendigo Thompson
Jem Ward

Non-Participant

Thomas S. Andrews
Ray Arcel
Bob Arum
Jarvis Astaire
Guiseppe Ballarati
George Benton
Whitey Bimstein
Jack Blackburn
William A. Brady
Umberto Branchini
Teddy Brenner
Amilcar Brusa
Bill Cayton
John Graham Chambers
Don Chargin
Gil Clancy
Irving Cohen
James W. Coffroth
Cuco Conde
Stanley Christodoulou
Cus D'Amato
Jeff Dickson
Arthur Donovan
Mickey Duff
Angelo Dundee
Chris Dundee
Don Dunphy
Dan Duva
Lou Duva
Aileen Eaton
Pierce Egan
Nathaniel S. Fleischer
Richard Kyle Fox
Dewey Fragetta
Don Fraser
Eddie Futch
Charley Goldman
Ruby Goldstein
Murray Goodman
Joe Humphreys
Sam Ichinose
Jimmy Jacobs
Mike Jacobs
Jimmy Johnston
Jack Kearns
Don King
Tito Lectoure
A.J. Leibling
Lord Lonsdale
Harry Markson
Marq. of Queensberry
Arthur Mercante
Dan Morgan
William Muldoon
Gilbert Odd
Tom O'Rourke
Dan Parker
George Parnassus
J Russell Peltz
George "Tex" Rickard
Irving Rudd
Rodolfo Sabbatini
Lope Sarreal
George Siler
Sam Silverman
Jack Solomons
Emanuel Steward
Jose Sulaiman
Sam Taub
Herman Taylor
Lou Viscusi
James J. Walker
Al Weill

Observers

Lester Bromberg
Jimmy Cannon
Ralph Citro
TAD Dorgan
Jack Fiske
Bill Gallo
Reg Gutteridge
W.C. Heinz
Jersey Jones
Hank Kaplan
Harry Mullan
Barney Nagler
LeRoy Neiman
Damon Runyon
Budd Schulberg
Bert Sugar
Stanley Weston

[BDeskins]

My Picks:

Larry Holmes
Lloyd Marshall
Tommy Farr
Tiger Jack Fox
Cocoa Kid
Holman Williams
Ken Overlin
Al Hostak
Ceferino Garcia


Pertaining to Naseem Hamed...well below is why I think he is HOF worthy!!

I think that Hamed is certainly, in my opinion, deserving to be elected to the Hall of Fame. A lot of people have claimed over the years that Naseem Hamed does not deserve to be a Hall of Famer, but I disagree very much! The notion that all the top quality fighters that Hamed beat were just not that good at the time when Hamed beat them is just utter nonsense!!! It's also a very weak claim as there really is nothing that can actually back it up!

As far as his career, I think Hamed had a great career, which was certainly HOF worthy! His hitting power was among the very best that I ever seen at the featherweight limit and he pretty much cleared out the division and then Barrera moved up and gave Hamed a boxing lesson, which unfortunately the Barrera fight is what people seem to remember and that is very, very unfair. Hamed knocked out some top notch fighters…some of which had never been stopped. Hamed won the WBO featherweight belt by beating tough Steve Robinson, who was on an eight fight winning streak, seven of which were title defense wins and the bout with Hamed was his eighth defense, but Hamed easily won stopping Robinson for the first time in his career. Very few Americans have seen much of Steve Robinson, but most British fans, who have been a boxing fan since Robinson’s time; well they can certainly verify how good Robinson actually was.

He followed the Robinson win with two quick knockouts over a couple of quality opponents, but not great fighters. However his third defense was against tough former champ Manuel Medina and Hamed pretty much dominated Medina stopping him in the 11th round. Some would claim that Medina was past his prime when Hamed beat him, but Medina would go on to win the IBF featherweight title on two more occasions and the WBO featherweight belt on one other occasion following his loss to Hamed. Overall Medina was a five-time featherweight world champion! Pretty lofty laurels!!!

Hamed had an easy-one in his next fight beating undefeated Remigio Molina, who was 27-0-0…Hamed, blasted him away in 2 round.

His next fight Hamed beat Tom Johnson, who at the time was considered the best featherweight in the world and had been viewed as such for a few years, the IBF featherweight champion. Hamed was Johnson 13th defense of the IBF belt and Hamed destroyed him. Johnson took a bad beating and was stopped for the first time in his career. This win gave Hamed the IBF belt to go with his WBO title.

Hamed followed with three more title defenses against solid opposition scoring three knockouts.

His next bout against Kevin Kelley was his most exciting fight and probably his best win as a professional. Kelley, a former champion, came into the fight with a record of 47-1-2 (32 KO). Both fighters were knocked down multiple times, but Hamed was the one to overcome scoring a knockout of Kelley.

Hamed’s next bout was ever tougher, well on paper at least, as he took on three-division world champion and current WBA featherweight world champion Wilfredo Vazquez. Vazquez was a murderous puncher who had scored some very impressive wins in his career. Vazquez was certainly not at his best as he was nearing the end of a glorious career, but he was in fact the WBA featherweight champion, though the WBA would not sanction the fight and they stripped Vazquez, so the only title which was on the line was Hamed’s WBO title. Again Hamed beat a top notch opponent with relative ease giving Vazquez a solid beating. Hamed had now beaten the WBO, IBF and WBA featherweight champions.

Instead of taking an easy bout Hamed took on tough Wayne McCullough, who was a former bantamweight champion as well as a fighter who had one of the best chins in the history of the sport. Hamed punished the tough Irishman and won an easy points victory in the 11th defense of his featherweight world title.

Hamed the defended against tough Paul Ingle and again gave a top quality fighter a solid beating. Ingle would later win the IBF featherweight title following his loss to Hamed.

Now Hamed only needed to fight the WBC featherweight champion to make a clean sweep of the division, which a victory would leave no question about who the real world featherweight champion was, though most already considered Hamed the real champion a win over the WBC champion would seal it. So Hamed goes after WBC featherweight champion Cesar Soto. The fight turned out to be one of the ugliest title fights in history as Soto was very unorthodox and really just quite unprofessional, but Hamed was able to win fairly easy which gave him the WBC belt to go along with his WBO belt. The IBF had either stripped Hamed, or he dropped the belt, but it was certainly not due to him not fighting the top ranked opponents. The WBA had stripped Vazquez because he chose to fight Hamed, so that belt was not on the line in that fight, but there was not question that Vazquez was the WB champion when he faced Hamed.

So now Hamed had beaten all of the top belt holders and the featherweight division had a unified champion for the first time since the IBF organization was formed in the middle 1980s.

Hamed followed the Soto bout with an impressive performance over long-time Jr. Featherweight champion Vuyani Bungu. Going into the bout Bungu had defended his Jr. Featherweight belt 13 times of which he had defeated such fighters as Kennedy McKinney (twice), Jesus Salud and Danny Romero. Hamed just steam-rolled Bungu right from the start and scored a stoppage in round 4, which this was the first and only time that Bungu was ever stopped in his career.

Hamed next fought hard-punching Augie Sanchez, but it was Hamed who landed the hard punches as he scored a frightening knockout over Sanchez in one of the better knockouts of 2000. Hamed was completely in love with his ability to punch at this point and this is what really hurt him against Barrera.

Hamed was brought down to earth in his next fight as he fought Mexican great Marco Antonio Barrera. Going into the bout Hamed had a record of 35-0-0 (31 KO). He had scored knockouts against the best in the division and unfortunately for Hamed, he felt that he could simply knockout every single fighter he faced, so instead of taking Barrera serious and training in a proper manner, Hamed was content to hype everything on his punch and he was certainly in the lime-light while Barrera was sweating it out in the gym. It seems like the little training that Hamed was doing focused primarily on power punching techniques, such as throwing vicious uppercuts on the speed bag, instead of actually working the speed bag. One punch uppercuts to the speed-bag and single bombs to the heavy-bag was the only training that I recall seeing Hamed do leading up to the fight with Barrera. Hamed was overly confident that it would be an early night and a quick knockout, but Barrera had other ideas and he solidly out-boxed, out-fought and out-punched Hamed in every area and he simply embarrassed Hamed. The scorecards were a lot closer than the fight actually was as Barrera won very easily and the fight pretty much ended Hamed’s career. It wasn’t that Hamed took a serious beating, or anything, but he did take a serious boxing lesson and the embarrassment evidently shattered his confidence and the over-the-top ego that Hamed carried from day one was deflated in an ugly manner as Barrera was at his very best.

Hamed would fight one more time winning an easy, but very unimpressive bout against a relative unknown go all twelve rounds.

Hamed would be the first to knockout a slew of tough boxers. He was the first fighter to stop Freddy Cruz, who had had 56 fights prior to facing Hamed. Sergio Liendo had not been stopped in 49 bouts prior to Hamed. He was the second fighter to ever stop Peter Buckley who has a career total of 245 losses of which he has only been stopped ten times total. He was the first to stop Steve Robinson and also Tom Johnson, who had not been stopped in 48 bouts prior to facing Hamed. He was the first of only two fighters to stop tough Juan Cabrera who has been stopped twice in 68 bouts. First to stop Jose Badilla, Paul Ingle and Vuyani Bungu.

If Hamed never fights again, which he really shouldn’t being that his last fight was five years ago, then his final career record will be 36-1-0 (31 KO). His record in world title fights will be 16-1-0 (14 KO). He scored 11 straight knockouts in his first 11 world title bouts. He beat ten of the eleven world champions that he faced and he beat several European boxing champions. He fought five probable Hall of Famers beating four!

I can certainly name several boxers who are currently in the HOF who much less deserve to be there compared to Hamed. As I mentioned, unfortunately a lot of people focus entirely on Hamed's loss to Barrera instead of fairly looking at his entire career! Hamed was a very outrageous showman, which being so greatly turned off most fans, but Hamed should not be judged on his behavior out of the ring...he should be judged on his performance and doings in the ring and not just the Barrera fight...all of his fights! There have been few fighters of the past twenty years that have been so thoroughly dominant in one division and very few have beaten the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO world champions in one division...Hamed accomplished it and he certainly left us with a number of exciting performances as well as a slew of exciting knockouts! Does Naseem Hamed deserve to be a Hall of Famer...absolutely!!!

[hawk5ins]

Re Hamed.

If I set the standards for Entrance to Canastota, he would not make it in without a ticket.

Based on the current standards, he may very well get in. I would not be surprised if it happens this year.

McGuigan or Hamed? Who's more deserving?

My Picks:

1-Larry Holmes. (The lay up here this year. I still would not rule out Larry screwing this up by signing to face Butterbean in a rematch and messing up his 5 year wait eligibility.)

2-Jung Koo Chang. (Deep, I think he gets hosed agian.)

3-Cocoa Kid (See Chang)

4-Eddie Perkins (See Chang and Cocoa Kid)

5-Santos Laciar (I don't have a vote, so I can't right be chastised for having a "Write In")

*Bonus Selection: Donald Curry. (Curry get's my "Barry McGuigan" vote. Doesn't belong based on MY standards. But certainly belongs based on the IBHOF's standards.)

Hawk

[BDeskins]

Also...I think that most oversea fighters are vastly overlooked! First in my mind is Len Harvey and Tommy Farr!! They both had tremendous careers.

There are a slew of US fighters who should have been elected a long, long time ago, but there are also a lot of fighters from various other countries who should already be in the HOF. Hell, Owen Moran was not even elected until 2002.

Those fighters that Jim mentioned as well as other such as “Bombadier” Billy Wells, Dave Sands, Ronnie James, Peter Kane, Rene DeVos, Ron Richards, Nel Tarleton, Eduardo Lausse, Gato Gonzalez and a slew of others!!!

Look at the career of “Mysterious” Billy Smith! Sure, he was probably the dirtiest fighter who ever lived, but look at that resume. It’s a shame that Smith is not in the HOF and it’s sad that so many others are ignored just because they are overseas fighters that a lot here in the USA know little about!

[bodyblow]

“Bombadier” Billy Wells in the hall of fame????? That pop you just heard off in the distance was my mind blowing.

[BDeskins]

Hawkins—

You don't think Hamed is deserving, but you think Chang and Laciar should be in this year...ahead of the likes of Lloyd Marshall and Holman Williams?

Exactly what did Chang do that was so impressive compared to what Hamed did? Chang's opposition was certainly not superior to that of Hamed's! It probably isn’t even equal!

Santos Laciar??? Deserving??? His best win was probably against German Roman, but he also lost to Roman. His record is not even as good as Hamed’s!

Exactly what about Laciar and Chang is so much superior to Hamed?

[BDeskins]

>>>“Bombadier” Billy Wells in the hall of fame????? That pop you just heard off in the distance was my mind blowing.<<<

Next to Henry Cooper, Wells is the longest reigning British champion of all-time!! He is not the greatest, but he is just as deserving as some that are in there! I'd certainly choose Wells over Harry Harris!!!

[hawk5ins]

On this or any other subject.

These are MY opinions, on who I think is deserving.

I stick by them 100%.

Hawk

[BDeskins]

Why do you feel that Laciar and Chang are more deserving than Hamed? I'm just curious what your reasons are and how you stack them compared to Hamed?