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    2008 HOF Nominees

    Well here it is guys. Once again there are two GLARING ommissions:
    Featherweight champ, Davey Moore & the CBZ's great lightweight champion, Gato Gonzalez


    Georgie Abrams
    Horacio Accavallo
    Joey Archer
    Jose Beccerra
    Johnny Bratton
    Jimmy Carruthers
    Jung Koo Chang
    Donald Curry
    Hiroyuki Ebihara
    Tommy Farr
    Tiger Jack Fox
    Ceferino Garcia
    Betulio Gonzalez
    Yoko Gushiken
    Naseem Hamed
    Carlos Hernandez
    Rafael Herrera
    Larry Holmes
    Al Hostak
    Harry Jeffra
    Peter Kane
    Cocoa Kid
    Pone Kingpetch
    Tippy Larkin
    Jose Legra
    Miguel Lora
    Raul Macias
    ErnestoMarcel
    Lloyd Marshall
    Freddie Mills
    Brian Mitchell
    Rinty Monaghan
    Masao Ohba
    Ken Overlin
    Eddie Perkins
    Gustave Roth
    Lou Salica
    Dave Sands
    Petey Scalzo
    Samuel Serrano
    Yoshio Shirai
    Kid Tunero
    Holman Williams
    Myung Woo Yuh
    Hilario Zapata

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    I'm also not digging

    Santos Laciar being left off. Two time Flyweight Champ. Relatively long an successful second reign (Lost his title initially on a bad duke). Made I beleive 8 or 9 defenses

    Moved up and won a second divisional title at SUper Flyweight.

    IMO the Only seeming "Layup" for induction would be Larry Holmes among the list of nominees.

    I can't say postively who will join his induction this year, based on the list and who has been passed over in years past.

    Hawk

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    Frank Klaus and Mike O'Dowd should have been in the hall a LONG time ago.

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    Frank Klaus and Mike O'Dowd should have been in the hall a LONG time ago.

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    I hope they put eddie perkins in. He was inducted into the world boxing hall of fame last year. the smile never left his face all weekend.

    on a side note, hamed?

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    Mike McTige is still NOT on the list.Wow.

    Yeah I think Moore should be in the hall also.

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    If I had to pick my top candidates from that list for enshrinement, I would vote for:

    1) Larry Holmes, obviously
    2) Jung-Koo Chang: a GREAT fighter who should have been the first lighterweight fighter selected, ahead of Gonzalez and Carbajal. He is one of the Top 3-4 Asian fighters of all-time on most Asian expert lists. He is a glaring omission from the HOF, if it truly is a world HOF which it is supposed to be. As much a lock as Larry Holmes, if you look at boxing on a worldwide level. 16-4 in title fights.
    3) Horacio Accavallo: a Ring magazine Top 10 rated fighter for 10 straight years, lost only 2 fights, beat champion Salvatore Burruni and then was refused a rematch for the title, hence the split of the flyweight championship that has never been unified since. 3 of the 6 draws were in Italy, and the first loss to Burruni was in Italy. Was 4-0 in title fights.
    4) Harry Jeffra: In the era of the eight natural weight divisions, Jeffra won both the bantamweight and featherweight titles. Not only that, but he dominated a HOF fighter in Sixto Escobar to win the bantam title and was a Ring Top 10 contender for 9 years. He was a member of the Ring Magazine HOF before it disbanded.
    5) Hilario Zapata: using his natural advantages as a 5"6' fighter in jr flyweight and flyweight, he dominated and had an 18-5-1 record in title fights.
    6) Masao Ohba: a great flyweight champ who tragically was killed at age 23 while still champion. Using his 5-5 1/2 frame, he used a superior jab to fend off opponents which included Betulio Gonzalez and Chartchai Chionoi.

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    WHY is it some British Bigmen get no ink?
    I know historically American bigmen were better, but to forget "some" of the great British bigmen is wrong...I get so confused at the amount of times I see Kid Tunero mentioned among the greats (and I believe he should be), yet there is No One EVER mentioning McAvoy(?).

    I have tried to impress on people the McAvoy's of British bigmen.

    I wish writer's like Mike Casey, or researchers like Barry Deskins or other such respected people would start putting the great British bigmen forward, there are some that deserve it you know! Jock McAvoy, Bert Gilroy, Len Johnson, Jack Casey, Ernie Roderick and a few others who obviously should'nt be forgotten!

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    Quote Originally Posted by Phillyfan
    I hope they put eddie perkins in. He was inducted into the world boxing hall of fame last year. the smile never left his face all weekend.

    on a side note, hamed?
    Perkins-Yes

    Hamed-NO!

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    Mike McTigue shouldnt be on the list. Not for a hundred years. He was the definition of the phrase "cheese champ."

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    Not to intrude, but I believe the reference to Mike McT. was meant in a humorous way. PeteLeo.

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    I not jokeing. McTigue was a fomer champ with wins over Siki and a few other boxers. He was a big name in the 1920's. If Ingo got in, than McTigue who did MORE should get in imo.

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    Who would have thought it would take Larry Holmes this long to get into the hall of fame? Serrano I don't care for but he was champ the same time Larry was and Marvin was so I guess he's okay. Some of those other guys are from way back; Pone Kingpetch-wasn't he champion in 1960 or something?

    I would definitely leave out Naseem Hamed I couldn't stand that je-rk off and the way he entered the ring. he doesn't even know how to lose in a digified manner. Curry was hot or at least the writers thought so but that's all lost because of the way the losses piled up so now he's just so-so in everyone's mind.

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    Quote Originally Posted by greek1237
    I not jokeing. McTigue was a fomer champ with wins over Siki and a few other boxers. He was a big name in the 1920's. If Ingo got in, than McTigue who did MORE should get in imo.
    Okay, sorry for overstepping my bounds.

    As for Hamed, I think this is a case where we just have to set aside our emotions. The guy did come across as a little ass, but for most of a decade he was also clearly the best man at his weight. His combination of speed and power could almost be termed unique (well, except for folks like RJJ and SRR), and he pretty much obliterated everyone even remotely qualified to challenge him. Maybe his comp wasn't HOF quality, but as been said here many times, you can only fight whoever's around when you are.

    I think Hamed's career parallels that of Aaron Pryor in many key ways, and I think he's just as deserving of enshrinement in the Hall. PeteLeo.

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    Quote Originally Posted by Phillyfan
    I hope they put eddie perkins in. He was inducted into the world boxing hall of fame last year. the smile never left his face all weekend.

    on a side note, hamed?


    I was thinking more along the line of, hamed?(I can't believe he's even on the list)
    I loved watching him fight and his ring entrances. If there was a catagory for most entertaining, he would be right up there with Ali and paez, but as for his record, I don't think he's a hall of famer.

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    Well he definitely is a hall of famer by current standards.

    Was he a truly great fighter?.No of course not, but the bar is set lower than that for the IBHOF.

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    Hamed has a good shot to get voted in because there are a lot of overseas voters and there are too many voters who have no clue as to what went on prior to the 1960s. Actually, putting him on the ballot I thought was a joke. If the voters knew even a little, Eddie Perkins would have been inducted years ago. Same for Lloyd Marshall, who beat 6 world champs and never got a shot at the light-heavy title. Holman Williams should be in. Feather Davey Moore should be on the ballot--and in. Tiger Jack Fox and Cocoa Kid, also. The Hall of Fame needs to revamp the voting committee and certainly the nominating committee. Just because someone covers boxing does not mean he has any clue about the storied history of the sport.

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    precisely wolgast!

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    Everybody has gaps in knowledge and certain era's they know better.I think the best bet for a worthy and varied Hall is to ensure there is a wide variety of voters with different knowledge bases.

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    thought Little Red was all ready in the hall.

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    Harry Lewis is another forgotten great who should have been in a long time ago.
    I also feel Memphis Pal Moore is worthy too.

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    Current IBHOF list of Enshrinees

    Modern

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    Carmen Basilio
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    Jackie "Kid" Berg
    Jimmy Bivins
    Joe Brown
    Ken Buchanan
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    Jimmy Carter
    Marcel Cerdan
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    Ezzard Charles
    Curtis Cokes
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    Pipino Cuevas
    Roberto Duran
    Flash Elorde
    Jeff Fenech
    George Foreman
    Bob Foster
    Joe Frazier
    Gene Fullmer
    Khaosai Galaxy
    Victor Galindez
    Kid Gavilan
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    Wilfredo Gomez
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    Billy Graham
    Rocky Graziano
    Emile Griffith
    Marvin Hagler
    "Fighting" Harada
    Beau Jack
    Lew Jenkins
    Eder Jofre
    Ingemar Johansson
    Harold Johnson
    Ismael Laguna
    Jake LaMotta
    Sugar Ray Leonard
    Sonny Liston
    Nicolino Locche
    Duilio Loi
    Ricardo Lopez
    Joe Louis
    Barry McGuigan
    Mike McCallum
    Rocky Marciano
    Joey Maxim
    Bob Montgomery
    Carlos Monzon
    Archie Moore
    Jose Napoles
    Ken Norton
    Terry Norris
    Azumah Nelson
    Ruben Olivares
    Bobo Olson
    Carlos Ortiz
    Manuel Ortiz
    Carlos Palomino
    Laszlo Papp
    Willie Pastrano
    Floyd Patterson
    Eusebio Pedroza
    Willie Pep
    Pascual Perez
    Aaron Pryor
    Dwight Muhammad Qawi
    Sugar Ramos
    Luis Rodriguez
    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Edwin Rosario
    Matthew Saad Muhammad
    Sandy Saddler
    Vicente Saldivar
    Salvador Sanchez
    Max Schmeling
    Michael Spinks
    Dick Tiger
    Jose Torres
    Randy Turpin
    Jersey Joe Walcott
    Pernell Whitaker
    Ike Williams
    Chalky Wright
    Tony Zale
    Daniel Zaragoza
    Carlos Zarate
    Fritzie Zivic

    Old Timer

    Lou Ambers
    Baby Arizmendi
    Abe Attell
    Max Baer
    Jim Barry
    Benny Bass
    Battling Battalino
    Paul Berlenbach
    James J. Braddock
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    Panama Al Brown
    Tommy Burns
    Tony Canzoneri
    Georges Carpentier
    Kid Chocolate
    Joe Choynski
    James J. Corbett
    Young Corbett III
    Johnny Coulon
    Eugene Criqui
    Les Darcey
    Jack Delaney
    "Nonpareil" Dempsey
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    Jim Driscoll
    Jack Dillon
    George Dixon
    Johnny Dundee
    Sixto Escobar
    Jackie Fields
    Bob Fitzsimmons
    Tiger Flowers
    Joe Gans
    Frankie Genaro
    Mike Gibbons
    Tommy Gibbons
    George Godfrey
    Harry Greb
    Young Griffo
    Harry Harris
    Pete Herman
    Peter Jackson
    Joe Jeanette
    James J. Jeffries
    Jack Johnson
    Louis "Kid" Kaplan
    Stanley Ketchel
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    Johnny Kilbane
    Fidel LaBarba
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    Kid Lavigne
    Benny Leonard
    Battling Levinsky
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    Ted "Kid" Lewis
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    Benny Lynch
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    Charles "Kid" McCoy
    Packey McFarland
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    Freddie Miller
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    Kid Norfolk
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    Pioneer

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    Young Barney Aaron
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    Bendigo Thompson
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    Thomas S. Andrews
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    Jack Blackburn
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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    My Picks:

    Larry Holmes
    Lloyd Marshall
    Tommy Farr
    Tiger Jack Fox
    Cocoa Kid
    Holman Williams
    Ken Overlin
    Al Hostak
    Ceferino Garcia


    Pertaining to Naseem Hamed...well below is why I think he is HOF worthy!!

    I think that Hamed is certainly, in my opinion, deserving to be elected to the Hall of Fame. A lot of people have claimed over the years that Naseem Hamed does not deserve to be a Hall of Famer, but I disagree very much! The notion that all the top quality fighters that Hamed beat were just not that good at the time when Hamed beat them is just utter nonsense!!! It's also a very weak claim as there really is nothing that can actually back it up!

    As far as his career, I think Hamed had a great career, which was certainly HOF worthy! His hitting power was among the very best that I ever seen at the featherweight limit and he pretty much cleared out the division and then Barrera moved up and gave Hamed a boxing lesson, which unfortunately the Barrera fight is what people seem to remember and that is very, very unfair. Hamed knocked out some top notch fighters…some of which had never been stopped. Hamed won the WBO featherweight belt by beating tough Steve Robinson, who was on an eight fight winning streak, seven of which were title defense wins and the bout with Hamed was his eighth defense, but Hamed easily won stopping Robinson for the first time in his career. Very few Americans have seen much of Steve Robinson, but most British fans, who have been a boxing fan since Robinson’s time; well they can certainly verify how good Robinson actually was.

    He followed the Robinson win with two quick knockouts over a couple of quality opponents, but not great fighters. However his third defense was against tough former champ Manuel Medina and Hamed pretty much dominated Medina stopping him in the 11th round. Some would claim that Medina was past his prime when Hamed beat him, but Medina would go on to win the IBF featherweight title on two more occasions and the WBO featherweight belt on one other occasion following his loss to Hamed. Overall Medina was a five-time featherweight world champion! Pretty lofty laurels!!!

    Hamed had an easy-one in his next fight beating undefeated Remigio Molina, who was 27-0-0…Hamed, blasted him away in 2 round.

    His next fight Hamed beat Tom Johnson, who at the time was considered the best featherweight in the world and had been viewed as such for a few years, the IBF featherweight champion. Hamed was Johnson 13th defense of the IBF belt and Hamed destroyed him. Johnson took a bad beating and was stopped for the first time in his career. This win gave Hamed the IBF belt to go with his WBO title.

    Hamed followed with three more title defenses against solid opposition scoring three knockouts.

    His next bout against Kevin Kelley was his most exciting fight and probably his best win as a professional. Kelley, a former champion, came into the fight with a record of 47-1-2 (32 KO). Both fighters were knocked down multiple times, but Hamed was the one to overcome scoring a knockout of Kelley.

    Hamed’s next bout was ever tougher, well on paper at least, as he took on three-division world champion and current WBA featherweight world champion Wilfredo Vazquez. Vazquez was a murderous puncher who had scored some very impressive wins in his career. Vazquez was certainly not at his best as he was nearing the end of a glorious career, but he was in fact the WBA featherweight champion, though the WBA would not sanction the fight and they stripped Vazquez, so the only title which was on the line was Hamed’s WBO title. Again Hamed beat a top notch opponent with relative ease giving Vazquez a solid beating. Hamed had now beaten the WBO, IBF and WBA featherweight champions.

    Instead of taking an easy bout Hamed took on tough Wayne McCullough, who was a former bantamweight champion as well as a fighter who had one of the best chins in the history of the sport. Hamed punished the tough Irishman and won an easy points victory in the 11th defense of his featherweight world title.

    Hamed the defended against tough Paul Ingle and again gave a top quality fighter a solid beating. Ingle would later win the IBF featherweight title following his loss to Hamed.

    Now Hamed only needed to fight the WBC featherweight champion to make a clean sweep of the division, which a victory would leave no question about who the real world featherweight champion was, though most already considered Hamed the real champion a win over the WBC champion would seal it. So Hamed goes after WBC featherweight champion Cesar Soto. The fight turned out to be one of the ugliest title fights in history as Soto was very unorthodox and really just quite unprofessional, but Hamed was able to win fairly easy which gave him the WBC belt to go along with his WBO belt. The IBF had either stripped Hamed, or he dropped the belt, but it was certainly not due to him not fighting the top ranked opponents. The WBA had stripped Vazquez because he chose to fight Hamed, so that belt was not on the line in that fight, but there was not question that Vazquez was the WB champion when he faced Hamed.

    So now Hamed had beaten all of the top belt holders and the featherweight division had a unified champion for the first time since the IBF organization was formed in the middle 1980s.

    Hamed followed the Soto bout with an impressive performance over long-time Jr. Featherweight champion Vuyani Bungu. Going into the bout Bungu had defended his Jr. Featherweight belt 13 times of which he had defeated such fighters as Kennedy McKinney (twice), Jesus Salud and Danny Romero. Hamed just steam-rolled Bungu right from the start and scored a stoppage in round 4, which this was the first and only time that Bungu was ever stopped in his career.

    Hamed next fought hard-punching Augie Sanchez, but it was Hamed who landed the hard punches as he scored a frightening knockout over Sanchez in one of the better knockouts of 2000. Hamed was completely in love with his ability to punch at this point and this is what really hurt him against Barrera.

    Hamed was brought down to earth in his next fight as he fought Mexican great Marco Antonio Barrera. Going into the bout Hamed had a record of 35-0-0 (31 KO). He had scored knockouts against the best in the division and unfortunately for Hamed, he felt that he could simply knockout every single fighter he faced, so instead of taking Barrera serious and training in a proper manner, Hamed was content to hype everything on his punch and he was certainly in the lime-light while Barrera was sweating it out in the gym. It seems like the little training that Hamed was doing focused primarily on power punching techniques, such as throwing vicious uppercuts on the speed bag, instead of actually working the speed bag. One punch uppercuts to the speed-bag and single bombs to the heavy-bag was the only training that I recall seeing Hamed do leading up to the fight with Barrera. Hamed was overly confident that it would be an early night and a quick knockout, but Barrera had other ideas and he solidly out-boxed, out-fought and out-punched Hamed in every area and he simply embarrassed Hamed. The scorecards were a lot closer than the fight actually was as Barrera won very easily and the fight pretty much ended Hamed’s career. It wasn’t that Hamed took a serious beating, or anything, but he did take a serious boxing lesson and the embarrassment evidently shattered his confidence and the over-the-top ego that Hamed carried from day one was deflated in an ugly manner as Barrera was at his very best.

    Hamed would fight one more time winning an easy, but very unimpressive bout against a relative unknown go all twelve rounds.

    Hamed would be the first to knockout a slew of tough boxers. He was the first fighter to stop Freddy Cruz, who had had 56 fights prior to facing Hamed. Sergio Liendo had not been stopped in 49 bouts prior to Hamed. He was the second fighter to ever stop Peter Buckley who has a career total of 245 losses of which he has only been stopped ten times total. He was the first to stop Steve Robinson and also Tom Johnson, who had not been stopped in 48 bouts prior to facing Hamed. He was the first of only two fighters to stop tough Juan Cabrera who has been stopped twice in 68 bouts. First to stop Jose Badilla, Paul Ingle and Vuyani Bungu.

    If Hamed never fights again, which he really shouldn’t being that his last fight was five years ago, then his final career record will be 36-1-0 (31 KO). His record in world title fights will be 16-1-0 (14 KO). He scored 11 straight knockouts in his first 11 world title bouts. He beat ten of the eleven world champions that he faced and he beat several European boxing champions. He fought five probable Hall of Famers beating four!

    I can certainly name several boxers who are currently in the HOF who much less deserve to be there compared to Hamed. As I mentioned, unfortunately a lot of people focus entirely on Hamed's loss to Barrera instead of fairly looking at his entire career! Hamed was a very outrageous showman, which being so greatly turned off most fans, but Hamed should not be judged on his behavior out of the ring...he should be judged on his performance and doings in the ring and not just the Barrera fight...all of his fights! There have been few fighters of the past twenty years that have been so thoroughly dominant in one division and very few have beaten the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO world champions in one division...Hamed accomplished it and he certainly left us with a number of exciting performances as well as a slew of exciting knockouts! Does Naseem Hamed deserve to be a Hall of Famer...absolutely!!!

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    I echo StarlingStomp

    Re Hamed.

    If I set the standards for Entrance to Canastota, he would not make it in without a ticket.

    Based on the current standards, he may very well get in. I would not be surprised if it happens this year.

    McGuigan or Hamed? Who's more deserving?

    My Picks:

    1-Larry Holmes. (The lay up here this year. I still would not rule out Larry screwing this up by signing to face Butterbean in a rematch and messing up his 5 year wait eligibility.)

    2-Jung Koo Chang. (Deep, I think he gets hosed agian.)

    3-Cocoa Kid (See Chang)

    4-Eddie Perkins (See Chang and Cocoa Kid)

    5-Santos Laciar (I don't have a vote, so I can't right be chastised for having a "Write In")

    *Bonus Selection: Donald Curry. (Curry get's my "Barry McGuigan" vote. Doesn't belong based on MY standards. But certainly belongs based on the IBHOF's standards.)

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    Also...I think that most oversea fighters are vastly overlooked! First in my mind is Len Harvey and Tommy Farr!! They both had tremendous careers.

    There are a slew of US fighters who should have been elected a long, long time ago, but there are also a lot of fighters from various other countries who should already be in the HOF. Hell, Owen Moran was not even elected until 2002.

    Those fighters that Jim mentioned as well as other such as “Bombadier” Billy Wells, Dave Sands, Ronnie James, Peter Kane, Rene DeVos, Ron Richards, Nel Tarleton, Eduardo Lausse, Gato Gonzalez and a slew of others!!!

    Look at the career of “Mysterious” Billy Smith! Sure, he was probably the dirtiest fighter who ever lived, but look at that resume. It’s a shame that Smith is not in the HOF and it’s sad that so many others are ignored just because they are overseas fighters that a lot here in the USA know little about!

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    “Bombadier” Billy Wells in the hall of fame????? That pop you just heard off in the distance was my mind blowing.

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    Hawkins—

    You don't think Hamed is deserving, but you think Chang and Laciar should be in this year...ahead of the likes of Lloyd Marshall and Holman Williams?

    Exactly what did Chang do that was so impressive compared to what Hamed did? Chang's opposition was certainly not superior to that of Hamed's! It probably isn’t even equal!

    Santos Laciar??? Deserving??? His best win was probably against German Roman, but he also lost to Roman. His record is not even as good as Hamed’s!

    Exactly what about Laciar and Chang is so much superior to Hamed?

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    >>>“Bombadier” Billy Wells in the hall of fame????? That pop you just heard off in the distance was my mind blowing.<<<

    Next to Henry Cooper, Wells is the longest reigning British champion of all-time!! He is not the greatest, but he is just as deserving as some that are in there! I'd certainly choose Wells over Harry Harris!!!

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    I am not entering into any WAR of words with anyone here

    On this or any other subject.

    These are MY opinions, on who I think is deserving.

    I stick by them 100%.

    Hawk

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    Re: 2008 HOF Nominees

    Why do you feel that Laciar and Chang are more deserving than Hamed? I'm just curious what your reasons are and how you stack them compared to Hamed?

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