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    Wikipedia! Always reliable!

    There were a lot of guys honkin' on saxes in the early to mid-1950s.

    (And, me, I'm a guitarist . . .)

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    Well, the definition now brings in drums, also I now see violin, and in one place, synthesizers. So, I don't believe it's quite the guitar/piano-oriented definition of before, which to me is good because that seemed limiting.

    Linda Ronstadt--just from memory here--had hits with Tumbling Dice (originally by the Stones), Back in the USA (Chuck Berry), and Heat Wave (Martha and the Vandellas, which you'd say wasn't rock, I suppose), How Do I Make You (a 1979 hit considered punk rock), Ooh Baby Baby (more Motown--Smokey Robinson/Miracles), and It's So Easy (Buddy Holly).

    She was written up on one website as follows:"No other vocalist has had a more diversified career than Linda Ronstadt. She began her career in the mid-1960s with the folk-rock group the Stone Poneys. After the break-up of the Stone Poneys, Linda entered the country music field. In 1969, with the release of Hand Sown... Home Grown, Linda became the first female singer to release an alt-country album.

    Linda achieved her greatest commercial success in the mid-1970s when she became the first female rock superstar and the top-selling female vocalist for that decade. During this period, she became widely known as The Queen of Rock and The Queen of Country Rock." She seemed a rocker to me for years in the 1970s, and much more than just that before and after the '70s.

    Your point about sales is well taken. What I had meant was, if in the R&R era, someone makes hits that are played on the rock stations (which they were in the 1960s and 1970s, I am old enough to remember), then I just mean that the songs were famous enough (being hits) that they were famous for being ROCK AND ROLL hits. Maybe that's not necessarily true, I suppose.

    But the one thing I am sure of is that these various artists I've listed earlier performed music ROOTED in rock & roll, and if rock just evolved from Hendrix to Kiss to the Scorpians to Guns & Roses to Motley Crue, etc, that is so limiting I honestly think it's a joke. They sound very much alike.

    Hagler, just my opinion. But Elton John was as much a rock and roller (among other things) as anyone, and far more talented (and lasting) than most. But some on this board would find him uncool or not "hard rock" enough, and this type of view is what I most disagree with. Though I think you might agree he's a rocker due to the heavy piano and usually, also, guitar.

    Almost everything I heard about rock growing up was that it was so much about attitude, not instruments. Hence my feeling that a Billy Joel, whatever one calls his music, is not a rocker--to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Frank
    Well, the definition now brings in drums, also I now see violin, and in one place, synthesizers. So, I don't believe it's quite the guitar/piano-oriented definition of before, which to me is good because that seemed limiting.

    Linda Ronstadt--just from memory here--had hits with Tumbling Dice (originally by the Stones), Back in the USA (Chuck Berry), and Heat Wave (Martha and the Vandellas, which you'd say wasn't rock, I suppose), How Do I Make You (a 1979 hit considered punk rock), Ooh Baby Baby (more Motown--Smokey Robinson/Miracles), and It's So Easy (Buddy Holly).

    She was written up on one website as follows:"No other vocalist has had a more diversified career than Linda Ronstadt. She began her career in the mid-1960s with the folk-rock group the Stone Poneys. After the break-up of the Stone Poneys, Linda entered the country music field. In 1969, with the release of Hand Sown... Home Grown, Linda became the first female singer to release an alt-country album.

    Linda achieved her greatest commercial success in the mid-1970s when she became the first female rock superstar and the top-selling female vocalist for that decade. During this period, she became widely known as The Queen of Rock and The Queen of Country Rock." She seemed a rocker to me for years in the 1970s, and much more than just that before and after the '70s.

    Your point about sales is well taken. What I had meant was, if in the R&R era, someone makes hits that are played on the rock stations (which they were in the 1960s and 1970s, I am old enough to remember), then I just mean that the songs were famous enough (being hits) that they were famous for being ROCK AND ROLL hits. Maybe that's not necessarily true, I suppose.

    But the one thing I am sure of is that these various artists I've listed earlier performed music ROOTED in rock & roll, and if rock just evolved from Hendrix to Kiss to the Scorpians to Guns & Roses to Motley Crue, etc, that is so limiting I honestly think it's a joke. They sound very much alike.

    Hagler, just my opinion. But Elton John was as much a rock and roller (among other things) as anyone, and far more talented (and lasting) than most. But some on this board would find him uncool or not "hard rock" enough, and this type of view is what I most disagree with. Though I think you might agree he's a rocker due to the heavy piano and usually, also, guitar.

    Almost everything I heard about rock growing up was that it was so much about attitude, not instruments. Hence my feeling that a Billy Joel, whatever one calls his music, is not a rocker--to me.

    Of course Wikipedia is not 100% reliable, but do you expect me to dig up something that takes more time!!

    Look, maybe or maybe not Ronstadt is in there. I too consider Elton rock and roll. I just draw the line with people like Madonna. 'Pop' and 'rock' are not always the same thing IMO.

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    Ha! Sounds good to me.

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    They're in, the Dave Clark Five are in the Hall, I tell you! (Old news? I just heard it today.) PeteLeo.

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    Re: Why I Can't Vote For This Years Rock HOF Candidates

    Alphabetical List of All Nominees and (*)Inductees:
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    ABBA 2003
    AC/DC 2001, 2002, 2003*
    Johnny Ace 1986, 1987
    Aerosmith 2000, 2001*
    The Allman Brothers Band 1995*
    The Animals 1990, 1993, 1994*
    LaVern Baker 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991*
    Hank Ballard 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990*
    The Band 1994*
    The Beach Boys 1988*
    The Beatles 1988*
    The Bee Gees 1996, 1997*
    Chuck Berry 1986*
    Black Sabbath 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006*
    Bobby Bland 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992*
    Blondie 2006*
    Booker T & the MGs 1988, 1989, 1992*
    David Bowie 1992, 1996*
    James Brown 1986*
    Ruth Brown 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993*
    Jackson Browne 2002, 2004*
    Buffalo Springfield 1992, 1993, 1994, 1997*
    Solomon Burke 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001*
    The Byrds 1991*
    Johnny Cash 1990, 1991, 1992*
    The Chantels 2002
    Ray Charles 1986*
    Chic 2003, 2006, 2007
    Eric Clapton 2000*
    Dave Clark Five 2006, 2007
    The Clash 2003*
    The Coasters 1986, 1987*
    Eddie Cochran 1986, 1987*
    Elvis Costello and the Attractions 2003*
    Sam Cooke 1986*
    Cream 1992, 1993*
    Creedence Clearwater Revival, 1993*
    Crosby, Stills, & Nash 1997*
    Bobby Darin 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990*
    Miles Davis 2006*
    The Dells 2002, 2003, 2004*
    Bo Diddley 1987*
    Dion 1987, 1988, 1989*
    Fats Domino 1986*
    The Dominoes 1997
    The Doors 1993*
    The Drifters 1988*
    Bob Dylan 1988*
    The Eagles 1998*
    Earth, Wind, & Fire, 1998, 2000*
    Duane Eddy 1986, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994*
    The Everly Brothers 1986*
    The "5" Royales 2002, 2004
    The Flamingos 1986, 1987, 1996, 1999, 2001*
    Fleetwood Mac 1998*
    The Four Seasons 1988, 1989, 1990*
    The Four Tops 1989, 1990*
    Aretha Franklin 1986, 1987*
    Marvin Gaye 1986, 1987*
    J. Geils Band 2005, 2006
    Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five 2005, 2006, 2007*
    The Grateful Dead 1993, 1994*
    Al Green 1995*
    Buddy Guy 2005*
    Bill Haley 1986, 1987*
    George Harrison 2004*
    Issac Hayes 2002*
    The Jimi Hendrix Experience 1992*
    Buddy Holly 1986*
    John Lee Hooker 1991*
    The Impressions 1989, 1990, 1991*
    The Isley Brothers 1992*
    Michael Jackson 2001*
    The Jackson 5 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997*
    Wanda Jackson 2005
    Elmore James 1991 (inducted 1992 as early influence)
    Etta James 1992, 1993*
    The Jefferson Airplane, 1995, 1996*
    Billy Joel 1998, 1999*
    Little Willie John 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995, 1996*
    Elton John 1994*
    Janis Joplin 1995*
    B.B. King 1986, 1987*
    Ben E. King 1986, 1987, 1988
    Carole King 1989 (inducted 1990 as non-performer)
    King Curtis 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1996 (inducted 2000 as sideman)
    The Kinks 1990*
    Gladys Knight 1986, 1987, 1990
    Gladys Knight & the Pips 1989, 1996*
    Kraftwerk 2003
    Led Zeppelin 1995*
    Brenda Lee 1990, 2001, 2002*
    John Lennon 1994*
    Jerry Lee Lewis 1986*
    Little Richard 1986*
    Darlene Love 1999
    The Lovin' Spoonful 2000*
    Frankie Lymon 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990
    Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers 1991, 1992, 1993*
    Lynyrd Skynyrd 1997, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006*
    The Mamas & the Papas 1997, 1998*
    Bob Marley 1990, 1994*
    Martha & the Vandellas 1989, 1994, 1995*
    Curtis Mayfield 1999*
    Paul McCartney 1999*
    Clyde McPhatter 1986, 1987*
    MC5 2003
    John Mellencamp 2004, 2006
    The Meters 1997
    Joni Mitchell 1994, 1995, 1997*
    The Moonglows 1991, 1994, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000*
    Van Morrison 1993*
    Ricky Nelson 1987*
    The New York Dolls 2001
    Randy Newman 2005
    The O'Jays 2000, 2005*
    Roy Orbison 1987*
    Parliament-Funkadelic 1996, 1997*
    Gram Parsons 2002, 2004, 2005
    Carl Perkins 1987*
    Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers 2002*
    Esther Phillips 1986, 1987
    Wilson Pickett 1989, 1990, 1991*
    Pink Floyd 1994, 1996*
    Gene Pitney 1986, 1987, 1990, 1992, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2002*
    The Platters 1988, 1989, 1990*
    The Police 2003*
    Elvis Presley 1986*
    The Pretenders 2005*
    Lloyd Price 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1996, 1997, 1998*
    Prince 2004*
    Queen 2000, 2001*
    Bonnie Raitt 2000*
    The Ramones 2002*
    Otis Redding 1989*
    Jimmy Reed 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991*
    Lou Reed 2000, 2001
    REM 2007*
    The Righteous Brothers 2003*
    Smokey Robinson 1986, 1987*
    The Rolling Stones 1989*
    Ronettes 2007*
    Sam & Dave 1992*
    Santana 1998*
    Bob Seger 2001, 2004*
    The Sex Pistols 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006*
    Del Shannon 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1998, 1999*
    The Shirelles 1990, 1995, 1996*
    Paul Simon 2001*
    Simon & Garfunkel 1990*
    Sir Douglas Quintet 2006
    Percy Sledge 2005*
    Sly & the Family Stone 1993*
    Patti Smith 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007*
    Dusty Springfield 1998, 1999*
    Bruce Springsteen 1999*
    The Staples Singers 1999*
    Steely Dan 1999, 2000, 2001*
    Cat Stevens 2006
    Rod Stewart 1993, 1994*
    The Stooges 1997, 1998, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007
    The Supremes 1986, 1987, 1988*
    Talking Heads 2002*
    James Taylor 2000*
    The Temptations 1989*
    Joe Tex 1998, 2006, 2007
    Traffic 2004*
    Big Joe Turner 1986, 1987*
    Tina Turner 1986, 1987
    Ike & Tina Turner 1989, 1990, 1991*
    Conway Twitty 2005
    U2 2005*
    Ritchie Valens 1999, 2001*
    Van Halen 2007*
    Velvet Underground 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996*
    Gene Vincent 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1998*
    Muddy Waters 1986, 1987*
    Mary Wells 1986, 1987
    The Who 1990*
    Chuck Willis 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990
    Jackie Wilson 1986, 1987*
    Steve Winwood 2003
    Stevie Wonder 1989*
    The Yardbirds 1990, 1991, 1992*
    Neil Young 1995*
    The Young Rascals 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997*
    Frank Zappa 1993, 1994, 1995*
    ZZ Top 2004*

    Sources:
    1986-1998 - "The Unofficial Encyclopedia of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame," Nick Talevsky.

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    Re: Why I Can't Vote For This Years Rock HOF Candidates

    By my count, 83% of all artists ever nominated have been inducted. So much for the keen competition to get in. With the exception of Kraftwerk, there is no electronic, techno, or non-guitar oriented band nominated.

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