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    Can anyone cite a cult classic?

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Well, I can't say that my favorite c.c. wasn't telecast (because it was, on the old MSG Network that promoted its own fight cards), but my impression is that it wasn't seen by too many people, relatively speaking.

    I'm talking about the 1989 war between Leland Hardy and Ike Padilla. Hardy was a tall, skinny heavyweight with good handspeed, a hell of a punch, and a glass jaw. Padilla was a physically strong former NYC Golden Gloves champ who was undefeated -- and untested -- as a pro. The match was supposed to be a record-building showcase for the better-known Padilla, but instead it signaled the beginning of the end of his pro dream. Following a tough, rather non-commital first round (won by Padilla), Ike came out blasting in the second and quickly sent Hardy down with a thud. In most of his previous losses, Leland seldom rose from the first knockdown, but this time he dragged himself off the canvas, weathered some hellish moments, and slowly worked his way back into the action before finally dropping a shocked Padilla near the bell.

    In the third, it was time for Hardy to rush wildly forward in an effort to end it all. In doing so, he ran face-first into the best overhand right that the still wobbly Padilla could throw and went to the floor as if shot. Commentator Gil Clancy stated that he didn't think Leland could have been hit harder than that by anyone. The fragile-chinned Hardy might as well have been a body pulled from a bus crash, for all of the life he showed upon going down, but once more he somehow manuevered himself up and convinced the ref that he could continue. Though rejuvinated by this second knockdown of his opponent, Ike was still in a world of trouble himself, yet he manfully stumbled forward and threw everything in his arsenal in an effort to put across the finisher.

    Hardy leaned against the ropes, took some flush shots while (accidentally, it seemed) swaying out of the path of others, and eventually began to return fire as if by instinct. That instinct was enough. With Padilla on the verge of recovering completely and crushing Leland, the latter crossed over a right which splattered the local favorite Padilla so forcefully on the deck that the referee stopped the match instantly, without even the benefit of a count. Clancy called the event a "great, great heavyweight fight." Each man was down twice in under three full rounds.

    Padilla went on to have a few more bouts, but his career never re-ignited, and he retired soon afterwards. Hardy won a few more times and was knocked out a few more times before also giving up the ring for his much more lucrative second calling as a high-level sports agent/financier, eventually being instrumental in the pro football career of talented but under-achieving Ricky Williams (Hardy brokered the deal that brought Ricky 43 million bucks). There's a YouTube video up now of a New York report on the success Hardy has enjoyed outside of the ring.

    That's my cult classic. Or one of them. PeteLeo.

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    Lee Roy Murphy Chisdana Mutti

    Was televised, but only on the FNN, Financial News Network. Hence it was Barely seen by anyone. I did get to see it, but barely anyone I have discussed the bout with, has

    It featured the Double knockdown in the 12th, in whihc Murphy got up and Mutti did not and Murphy retained his Cruiserweight belt

    I guess that is as close to a cult classic as I can get.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Zale-Graziano 1 & 2, and Ray Robinson's welterweight fights.

    I know the intent of the thread was likely "since the beginning of the TV era," but all one ever hears about those bouts I noted above are how incredible they were, but how they were never filmed (and film DID exist then, of course).

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Soo-Hwan Hong vs Hector Carrasquilla
    Mark Kaylor vs Errol Christie
    The Chionoi vs Alacran torres bouts
    Ohba vs Chionoi
    Arbachakov vs Yun Un Chin
    Pat Barrett vs Efrem Calamati
    Clyde Gray vs Chris Clarke 1
    Navarette vs Chung-il Choi
    Fidel Bassa vs dave McCauley 1
    Antonio Avelar vs Wilfredo Vazquez

    Not sure every single one of those have reputations as underground classics

    Still all great non-mainstream fights.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Middleweight Frank "The Animal" Fletcher vs. Ernie Singletary in August, 1981, at the Sands Casino in Atlantic City was more brutal than all the NBC fights Fletcher had with guys like Norberto Sabater, Tony Braxton, Clint Jackson and James "Hard Rock" Green. Both Fletcher and Singletary were taken to the hospital after the most brutal fight I ever saw, more brutal than the two Marvin Johnson-Saad Muhammad fights. Fletcher vs. Singletary went 8 rounds before Singletary was beaten down. Only regional cable TV was PRISM, which eventually became the Philadelphia arm of Comcast.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Billy Douglas vs Pedro Soto
    Bruce Curry vs Monroe brooks


    Id love to see both and I know they were televised

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    I Would assume

    Willie the Worm Monroe W10 Marvelous Marvin Hagler would qualify.

    Fought at the Philly Spectrum during a snow storm and ZERO camera crews made it to the card.

    The more I read about it, I'm beginning to think RUssell Peltz was the only man who ever saw the bout.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    The Hardy-Padilla war is available on YouTube in two versions (both squashing the picture enough to make the participants look like relatives of Billy Barty). Watching it again tonight for the first time in several years, I was glad to see that it fully lived up to my memories, but I was nonplused to realize that I'd forgotten that the final, fight-ending punch was a savage right uppercut that nearly decapitated Padilla, rather than a right cross.

    The version with the better picture quality has poor sound (the background noises almost drown out the commentary). If you watch the bout, don't skip the extended replays and the entertaining interview Clancy conducts with Leland "Not Your Average Pug" Hardy, part of which transpires in Chinese (I'm not kidding).

    Just a terrific event. Though with its growing -- and deserved -- rep, I have to wonder if it's a real "cult classic" any longer.

    Malcolm "Flash" Gordon covered an MSG fight card around 1980 that featured a supporting bout between young Pat Hallacy and Luis Resto (yep, THE Luis Resto, of Billy Collins infamy, though this was prior to that tavesty). This bout wasn't televised, I'm pretty certain, and according to Flash it was one of the greatest exhibitions of two-way mayhem he had ever witnessed. Sort of "300" in boxing gloves. (It was on the undercard of a Wilfred Gomez non-title match, so film may exist.) Neither guy was much of a power hitter, and this fact allowed for even more frenetic action minus knockdowns and a stoppage of any sort. I'm only going by Gordon's report, since I obviously have never had the pleasure of watching it. PeteLeo.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    would willie pep winning a round without throwing a punch be considered a cult classic. I don't think it was filmed and some people swear by it while others say it never happened.

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    Philly

    Given your Locale, can you weigh in at all with the events surrounding the aforementioned Monroe Hagler bout at the Spectrum?

    Hawk

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Hello Gentleman,

    What a great thread, it was exciting just listening to the Cyberboxingzone crowd relive these fights in their heads and then recapture them in words. One of the cult classics that I always enjoyed was a fight from 1984 between Troy Darrell and Pedro Estrada. This was televised on MSG and I beleive it was for the New York State Middleweight Championship. Troy Darrell was a skilled boxer puncher and Pedro Estrada was a former standout New Your Golden Glover and a "banger". What should have been a relatively safe fight for Darrell turned out to be a "Rock em Sock em" back and forth affair nearly leaving both men on their backs. Troy Darrell prevailed but it was fun to watch all along the way.Another fight that comes to mind as a cult classic is the 1960 war between Marcel Pigou and Eduardo Lausse. This was just a toe to toe war from RDS 1 thru 7 where Marcel Pigou finally prevailed by tko. Both guys were big punchers so you knew going into this that the fight would be fireworks and it was. Lausse was at the end of his career and only fought one more time but it made for real excitement.Another Cult Classic that I happened to see was a 1984 fight from the old Strohs Beer Series televised out of California's LA Forum between Curtis Parker and a fighter named Billy Robertson. This was another tit for tat,go for it all or nothing affair with Curtis Parker barely getting out of the fight with the victory. One last addition to this list that I would like to add is the 1985 War between Australian Lightweight Champion Lester Ellis and Rod Sequenan. This was another all out war for 13 rounds with both fighters in real trouble throughout.It came down to Lester Ellis trememendous recuperative ability and determination which finally allowed him to stop Sequenan in the 13th round. Regarding 2 other questions that our cyberboxingzone brethren brought up 1)The question referring to Willie Pep's opponent on the night he won a round of boxing on just defensive wizadry sans throwing a punch. He accomplished this feat against boxer Joey Cam "there is a highlight on film of the round he accomplished this".
    There is also a film that was captured on a 16MM crank camera of the 2nd Tony Zale vs Rocky Graziano fight.It was filmed from high in the auditorium and is about 2 minutes and 30 Seconds of each round.In the 6th round of this fight the film runs out just as Graziano is putting Zale through the ropes I am told. HBO did show a brief highlight of the film on one of their Documentaries.

    Regards

    Mikey Capp
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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    My cult classic is a fight that I seen live, it was a fight between cross-town teenage rivals Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli on June 22, 1951, even though it was a semi 6 round fight to the Enrique Bolanos-Eddie Chavez main event, it was seen by the local boxing fans as been just as big a fight as the main event, both boys gave it their all an put on a great fight, the fight ended a draw and was I glad as I knew both guys and didn't want to see either one lose.

    Btw our own Hap Navarro put that fight together.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Quote Originally Posted by tedsares
    Cadilli fought a lot of draws if memory serves me correct. He was a tough fighter.
    Cadilli had 7 draws in 63 fights according to BoxRec.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    "A tough decision to accept, but an honest one," Hagler said, trying to focus between lumps. "I think I fought a great fight tonight. I can see a great future ahead of me, but I still have a few things to learn. I get the feeling he's (Monroe) already learned them...He hit me with every punch he has, but if he'd made a mistake, he'd found himself on the canvas."

    If it's any consolation to Marvelous Marvin, who IS an outstanding young fighter, he was in against the best Willie Monroe Philadelphia has seen.


    ...from Tom Cushman's stopry in the Philadelphia Daily News on March 10, 1976, the night after Monroe became the ONLY man ever to seriously beat Hagler, winning by scores of 47-44, 48-82, 49-91 at The Spectrum in Philadelphia.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Quote Originally Posted by tedsares
    Pete Leo, I'm going to steal yyour write-up, It was great!
    Be my guest, and thanks for the kind words. Do spruce it up some, though, won't you? PeteLeo.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Quote Originally Posted by tedsares
    I just reviewed a fight between Myung Woo Yuh and some other guy (Asian) whom I can't name. Yuh won by stoppage. Holy good God in heaven. This was 7 or 8 rounds of non-stop head hunting that was as savage as anything I have ever seen. And it make it even better, it was on the disk that Ron Lipton gave ne that included Nardico-Norkus. Wow!
    Ted,

    The fighter you are thinking of was called Oh-Kon Son, I know as I sent Ron that disc recently, and yes it was one hell of a fight! Two fights which almost never get a mention today as they were both fought overseas are the Masao Ohba vs Orlando Amores fight and the Kelvin Seabrooks vs Thierry Jacob fight. Ohba was dropped HARd by a left hook he never saw coming early in the first, but fought his way back into the fight and dropped Amores himself in the second.

    Both men tore into each other from rounds 3 to 5, when Masao finally caught up to his man in towards the end of the 5th when he put Amores down for the count with a vicious flurry along the ropes. the Seabrooks vs Jacob fight saw Kelvin floor the frenchman mere seconds into the bout, but then Jacob came back to floor him twice in the same round.

    Kelvin was down again in the 5th and was on the verge of being knocked out in the 8th and was battered all over the ring by Jacob along the ropes when he landed a hail-mary of a right hand than had Jacob staggering like a drunk all over the place and barely surviving what was and still is one of the best rounds I have ever seen.

    Jacob quit in his corner between rounds 9 and 10 as he had cuts over both eyes and had punched himself out on Seabrooks and told his father/trainer that he could no longer continue. Every round was fiercely contested and it was truly a terrific action fight... I sent Ron a copy of this fight a long time ago, you should get a hold of it asap.
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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike DeLisa
    Billy Douglas vs Pedro Soto
    Bruce Curry vs Monroe brooks


    Id love to see both and I know they were televised
    Mike,

    I have a copy of the Curry/Brooks fight, and yes it was some fight! Neither man took a backwards step in this one, and it was a toe to toe affair from the get-go. Curry finally ended matters with a violent left hook that dropped Monroe like a sack of potatoes in the 9th. If you wish, I can send you a copy of this fight, although it would have to wait until the New Year. Let me know if your interested.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Yes, I, too, have a mint copy of the Curry-Brooks fight, straight from the 3/4" CBS tape. Would be interested in any one of several early Ray Leonard or Thomas Hearns bouts in exchange for it (the hard-to-find ones, in excellent quality, incl. Leonard-Armando Muniz, Leonard-Marcotte, Hearns-Muangsurian, Hearns-Gazo, a couple of others). Please pm if you like.

    Thanks.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    I'll bend the rules a little because I seem to recall it was televised... but anyways, how about Simon Brown v. Tyrone Trice I?

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    THat was one I was going to mention as well. A marvelous bout. I'll be honest, it's a cult classic to me as I have NOT seen it since it was originally aired, which was nearly 20 years ago.

    I kept thinking that THIS was the closest we ever were going to see of a replay of Leonard Hearns I. Not the magnitude, but certainly the quality of the bout with the same shifting momentum. Brilliant fight that is always overlooked. The fact that Brown Blocker gets mentioned before Brown Trice I, has always baffled me.

    Wolgast,

    Thanks for the Daily New write up on Hagler Monroe. There was an excellent piece in the June 1984 issue of World Boxing that covered Hagler's "Philly Wars". Pretty much that is where I have gotten the most substance in the coverage of the Monroe bout. It's nice to read another source.

    In the World Boxing piece, Hagler throws in that he had bronchitis and that he had his "arm twisted a bit" to take the bout. Of whihc Peltz completely scoffs at on both claims.

    THis fight has always intrigued me becuase it's a modern bout with no video and we have to rely on those who were there. It's unique in a way for a bout only 30 years old.

    Hawk

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Sticking to televised cult fights and the same flyweight era as Chionoi, you could do a lot worse than check out the second Accavallo vs Ebihara bout.

    Fast paced, fluid and highly technical fight with lots of great back and forth exchanges and changing strategies being implemented.A very good fight to score as the decision was debatable without being a clear robbery(imo).

    Definitely one of the better full-distance fights i've seen from that period.Efren Torres attempt to dethrone Accavallo also seems like an awesome fight from the highlights of it.Not sure if there is a complete version out there? Maybe someone else will know.

    In a similar vein, up at middleweight is Ayub Kalule vs Kalambay.Notable for being contested between two of the better all-time African fighters and the two best post-Tiger African middleweights.

    I got this one fairly recently so it's quite fresh in my mind and i wasn't expecting much action considering the styles involved.Turns out it's one of the very best middeweight battles of an exciting generation.Like the Ebihara bout... very fast paced, loads of punches thrown, while also being a technical masterclass from both fighters.

    Considering that this was a highly debatable fight and Italy being one of the very worst countries at the time for hometown decisions, it's a miracle that kalule had his hand raised.Almost as surprising as Everett vs Escalera, though this was a much better and more competitive bout than that imo.

    Speaking of Kalule, his fight against Davey Moore was a brutal, gruelling meeting.One fighter inexperienced and way too eager to prove himself by going to war needlessly against a more technical opponent too weightdrained and lacking in power to contain him with skills alone.

    When Moore's name comes up now it's inevitably in relation to his beating against Duran.This was certainly his cult classic.

    Moore vs Drayton was not bad at all either.Or Drayton vs Hilton...

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Bad Bennie Briscoe Vs Eugene Cylone Hart - the war Draw !

    Ricky Lockridge Vs Harold Knight - a 15 Round BarnBurner

    Cornilus Boza-Edwards Vs Roberto Elizondo (Bitter Struggle)

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    One fight that I consider a classic but have never heard anyone mention in all my years posting online is the Art Hafey/David Sotelo fight. I doubt many have seen it, but I can honestly say that this was one heck of a fight! Sotelo had the tough as nails Hafey wobbling all over the place in the 3rd round, only to have the tough little Irishman fight back furiously to end the frame.

    He got his bell rung several more times by David, but his higher workrate won him the day in the end. Sotelo was very limited and didn`t throw nearly enough punches, but christ what a punch that guy had. To have the iron jawed Hafey hurt like that from one clip on the chin was something I never thought I`d see.

    Two other bouts that deserve considerations as well would be the Bobby Chacon/Art Frias fight and the second Frankie Duarte/Alberto Davila fight, those were some great fights. Duarte vs Pinango was another good one, which Duarte should have gotten the decision in as I felt he won.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    One fight that I don't believe was Televised, I seen the fight live, but I may be wrong on whether the fight was on tv or not, it has to be on my 1-3 top list of action fights, for ten rounds these guys want toe to toe, first one guy had the upper hand then the guy other had it, it was also one of the bloodily's fight I ever seen, full of action from the first round to the last round.

    It was on August 6, 1970- Mando Ramos vs Sugar Ramos, Mando won on a S/D.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    I think I have seen that bout on tape -- ramos squared

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Was Ezra Sellers ever in a bad fight?

    That guy was on the edge against a ton of opponents and one way or another, it ended up as highlight reel ko stuff.

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Ezra Sellers must surely be liked with Carl Thompson for being in exciting fights including their own up-and-down thriller.

    How about the first Armando Muniz/Carlos Palomino fight?

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    Re: Can anyone cite a cult classic?

    Here's a link where you can watch the Hong-Carrasquilla fight. A great short scrap.


    http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?clipid=4152120

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