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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillyfan
    Thou shall not commit adultery.
    When you get married you pledge to be faithful. Break that pledge and what good is your word. It goes to character. If you want to fool around, don't get married.
    But its not his fault. He has a sex addiction. Some rehab and all is forgiven. After all, he entertains us by playing golf.
    chances are she would have married another "sex addict" who was broke.

    too bad she did not meet you phil.... cast dem stones brotha.

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    Jesus, how many "under" is Woods now? I"ve lost count.

    Should be pegged back a few strokes I suppose for the porn "stars".

    Relatively speaking, the golfing fraternity might now look to cannonise John Daly.

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    I'm no saint, alcohol is my sin, plus mentally cursing out half the world. But I have been faithfull 18 years, so I can cast a stone or in tigers case, an even dozen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKO11
    Pious and sanctimonious? Not cheating on your wife?

    Nice logic.

    Now, in classic walsh misdirection you ask me "what crime did he commit?" Please find someplace where I said he committed a crime. All I said was he has always had a 12-year-old's sense of entitlement about golf, and he clearly has the same feeling about life. This is pretty obvious and undeniable.

    And again, sex isn't what he did wrong. THAT is a natural thing. Violating the trust of your wife, children and family is not a natural thing. But rather than simply say that Tiger is wrong to do it (something he readily admits himself), you try to defelct the blame onto the one person who is the biggest victim in this ridiculous scenario - his wife. A woman who is under the same microscope now as Tiger, and who so far as been found to be nothing less than a loving, caretaking wife who is standing by Tiger, though he has done nothing to deserve that kind of loyalty, believing that he will change.

    And even if she is a bitch of the highest order, treats him like a dog and is dull, unexciting and unbearable, he has the option of endinig the marraige rather than simply ignore the promises he made to her.

    Parnevik? Absolutley, what he said to the press was wrong. Personally, I don't blame him for feeling how he feels, but for him to voice it to the press was lowbrow and vindictive. Again, does anyone deny this? Why keep addressing issues that nobody is making an issue of.

    Ali cheated? Yep. Still a great boxer. JFK cheated? Yep. Still a visionary politician. Tiger cheated? Yep. Still a great golfer. When it comes to the so-called "family values", none of these guys will ever be in anyone's hall of fame.

    Believing in the sanctity of a marriage isn't sanctimonious walsh, no matter what your personal morals are.
    I almost forgot, you actually do not like Tiger, the person, so it will obvioulsly factor in to how you discuss him having sex with other women.
    You are likely to blow it way out of proportion.

    The flesh is weak; one of the oldest sayings we know, and in Tiger's case, like so many others, it was indeed weak.

    I ain't gonna' hang the man for it.

    Separately: (and not directed specifically to you TKO,before you go off on one)

    As for the whole Marriage talk, gimme' a fucking break. The same men/women who created these laws are the men/women who for years have been beating and raping children. It's not worth a whole lot in my book. Men will still be men, and women will be women.
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    wow this thread has turned to a veritable gold mine of glittering generalities, heresay, unsupportable sweeping theorums.

    Anyway..

    I liked Jack Nicklaus' take: "None of my business". If you are going to get married, don't cheat. If you don't think you can have a monogamous relationship, don't get married... regardless of the willingness of the party of the second part to look this way or the other.

    Tiger's image didn't need him to be married. Jeter isn't married... is he?

    *********

    I believe less than half of the alleged 'women of Tiger' had any relationship with him, real or imagined.. or even shook his hand.

    I couldn't care less about his transgressions as a human being because I only pay attention to his exploits on the course. It will be interesting to watch him return to the course to more applause and love from more circles BECAUSE he is a cad.

    In short.. I think it's more sad and annoying the reaction from the assorted parties who have some sort of noxious (or forgiving) opinion than his scandal.

    As for Elin, she is a grown woman. She can handle herself. I don't fee bad for her because it isn't myu place to pity or feel bad for her.

    He is still an ass for cheating, and a terrible father because of it. those are statements, not emotive-driven starting points for further inspection, IMO. The kids have no say in a marital issue, and WHATEVER the monetary and swaddled outcome they enjoy, they were betrayed by Tiger at least, and by both at worst.

    When your favorite golfers are Kenny Perry, Jerry Kelly, Steve Stricker.. and the golfer you have the most admiration for from a sense of the clinical and mental excellence is Vijay Singh (did he cheat 23 years ago? I dunno.... I don't admire the 'honesty' of any athlete)... and when you dont care for Tiger the brand, and, albeit by forcing yourself to assume it's worse than it is, you don't particularly get how a man who purposefully is curt, banal, laconic, and a wooden robot can then FEED of the very fans' adulation he seems to care not a whit about...

    well, you end up being a guy, like me, who believes it's more interesting to root for the guys who are not rock stars in an era where athletes are more actors and rock stars and hysteria-producing faux people than the sitting by the locker regular joe who got lucky to make his money playing a game.
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    I really believe that one married guy isn't the same as the next. What I mean is that any normal joe soap married guy will not be put in the same situations as those who are so accessible to the public, and so accessible to many many temptations from beautiful looking women. That is when the flesh becomes weak and weaker.

    Tiger was living out of hotels with women probably constantly making advances, hot women, babes, not the average run of the mill piece of dirt. Now, it would take a very very disciplined and devoted guy to always say no to such temptation, especially if he thinks that he can keep it quiet.

    Tiger succumbed to this temptation, and I do not see how that makes him nasty, bad, evil, an ass, a jerk or anything else. It makes him human. It's not good for the wife, and she didn't deserve it, but Tiger IMO doesn't deserve the stick that I think he is getting.

    Him and the wife should call it a day, the marriage is over and to be honest, was it ever on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by walshb
    I really believe that one married guy isn't the same as the next. What I mean is that any normal joe soap married guy will not be put in the same situations as those who are so accessible to the public, and so accessible to many many temptations from beautiful looking women. That is when the flesh becomes weak and weaker.

    Tiger was living out of hotels with women probably constantly making advances, hot women, babes, not the average run of the mill piece of dirt. Now, it would take a very very disciplined and devoted guy to always say no to such temptation, especially if he thinks that he can keep it quiet.

    Tiger succumbed to this temptation, and I do not see how that makes him nasty, bad, evil, an ass, a jerk or anything else. It makes him human. It's not good for the wife, and she didn't deserve it, but Tiger IMO doesn't deserve the stick that I think he is getting.

    Him and the wife should call it a day, the marriage is over and to be honest, was it ever on?
    I dont believe any individual 'deserves' anything, good or bad, in the realmof opinions and speculation.. so I think I am with you there.

    However, and we can take the time to arrive at an appropriate adjective if ass is not correct, Woods has 2 very small children. Whatever you, I, or anyone else wants to extend to him in terms of trying to make sense of his 'weakness'.. if anyone can understand how it might happen... well, his transgressions did not just happen to him.

    In any event, he is accountable for those two kids living with the reality that their father is an adulterer who put his own minute to minute desires ahead of his responsibility to his kids. I do not mean they were neglected, and I do not mean he did harm to them in physical or monetary or even emotional ways.

    But.. his mindset did not keep them front and center. Many people are not the paragons of parent hood we would like them to be. And we all have failings. However, the multitude of flawed people does not remove the flaws or make those flaws not things that one is accountable for.

    Had he kicked her out and settled amicably (or otherwise) with Elin Woods, and then went on to be Tiger Woods: young, famous, wealthy single guy.. then that is another thing.

    I agree with the underlying point if that is what is being keyed on as the point: speculating on what he was doing on this date or that; trying to determine what exactly made him do it.. and how he did something bad many many famous people and otherwise normal people do is not really interesting nor is it possible really in terms of the incidents and decisions impacting anything other than his family.

    That does not mean however he cannot be flogged for it. I wont do it, because I didnt know him. Still don't. And if he sucks as a man in terms of forging relationships I don't particularly care. But to say he doesn't deserve criticism and judgment....Hell, if that were the case, one could also never say anything GOOD about him for the same reasons.

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    Rich, famous and successful celebrities should understand that the real world for them will be a vagina-fest while they are at the top of their game and they should just put off getting married during those years. Celebrities need to realize you can't have your cake and eat it too.

    I've heard George Clooney get criticized for publicly stating that he doesn't want to be married or have kids. I say all the power to Clooney. He at least recognizes this and can enjoy multiple women and not have the concerns of being outed by the media for cheating on his wife, divorce settlements, negative publicity etc...No one gets hurt.

    Not even a good, honest and decent family man like Mel Gibson could resist the temptations and ended up cheating on his wife of several years.

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    Those that are in awe of celebrities are those that find a philosophical conundrum in assessing their failures.

    Those that see a golfer who makes a ton of money as a golfer who makes a ton of money would be hard pressed to be surprised, fascinated, understanding, hyper-critical or, or feel empowered to psychoanalyze their situations.

    If Arnold Palmer had habitually cheated on his wife, I'd be more surprised.. but not more critical... nor more understanding.

    I find it hard to give a pass to anyone based on circumstances they can control. And to 10-8's point... with the celebrity life needs to come some awareness of what that life provides, and demands. Your neighbor cheats on his wife, is that different than a famous guy who has more chances to do it?

    Everyone poops. Got it. Pooping in the middle of Time Square will draw more attention than in your toilet. But in either situation, it's still shit.

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    Had Tiger Woods did a Greg Norman here, then I would say he is a slimey' snake and low life; but he didn't do a Greg Norman. He succumbed to the temptation of sex with other women, beautiful looking at that.

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    If you think there is an axcuse for cheating on a spouse walsh, good on ya. I don't, and neither does anyone with any respect for their spouse. End of story.

    Sharks - interesting that you mention Vijay and "did he or didn't he" about cheating on the South African tour decades ago. As I recall he was suspended for a year, so it seems pretty clear that he likely did. But that isn't why I think he's a jackass cheating prick.

    First, in winning the 2000 Masters he intimidated the rules official into letting him take an illegal drop after hitting it into the pond on the 11th during the final round. He was (and he's a big guy) leaning right into the official's face and DEMANDING that he be allowed to drop on the green-side of the pond, something I've never seen anyone do in 30 years of watching the Masters. He claimed his approach was drawing so hard that it went SIDEWAYS into the pond, rather than cross the hazard line at the front.

    Blatant, unbelieveable lie. The ball landed at least 15 feet out into the pond, making it impossible to have gone in from where he claimed unless it was moving STRAIGHT sideways. Incredible, national TV attempt to cheat. The only think worse than his intimidation tactics was the official's final decision to relent to it and allow him to take an illegal drop. I absolutely couldn't believe what I was seeing. When he won I have never been more disgusted watching a sports event.

    And why was this so upsetting to me? Because 4 years earlier at the Canadian Open, the guy cheated right in front of me, and totally ignored me telling him that he was doing something illegal.

    Vijay was playing with Brad Faxon in the final round. The event was rain shortened and they were playing Sunday for a 54 hole finish. Now Vijay hits it a ton and Faxon punts it, so they were miles apart from each other after their tee balls most of the time.

    On the 10th hole, Vijay boomed one right down the middle, which ended up about 30 years from where I was standing. The ball bounced twice, rolled about 10 yards, and then settled into a deep divot. When Vijay got up there I heard him say to his caddy, "It's plugged." Then he yelled at Faxon (who's drive was at least 75 yards shorter than Vijay's) to come up and confirm that it was embedded. That was when I first yelled, "It isn't plugged Vijay - it rolled into the divot." He ignored me.

    Faxon only came about halfway to the ball (getting no closer than 30 or so yards) where he could see that half the ball was not visible. He nodded and started walking back to his ball. There was a rules official right in front of me, and I said, "He's going to take an illegal drop - stop him! It bounced twice and rolled. It isn't plugged!" The rules official also ignored me.

    Vijay stuck his tee in the ground and then I started kicking up a REAL fuss. "It's not embedded Vijay! It didn't plug! It rolled there!." A bunch of other people around me started yelling the same thing. He TOTALLY ignored us, picked up the ball and cleaned it and placed it. And before anyone asks, they were not on lift-clean-place, just relief from casual water.

    I was astounded that the rules official didn't stop him or even go talk to him. But after he did that, I couldn't believe he cheated out a minimum 1 stroke advantage at the 2000 Masters. Clearly, he makes a habit of this sort of thing.

    Respect to him as a player, but again, as a sportsman I think he's even worse than Woods - all Woods does is act like a baby. Vijay steals from his fellow pros by cheating out shots. God knows how many other examples he's had over the years.

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    Tiger MAY have been the chaser, not the chasee, in many cases, we don't know the facts, so assumptions and speculations remain just that.
    He's a big boy, he cheated, there will be financial repercussions, and his
    children will not benefit, and his cake and eat it too lifestyle will be temporarily halted, maybe giving him time to reflect, and become a better person. (maybe)
    A friend of mine has a VERY cute young daughter who volunteered at a local
    golfing event which drew Tiger. She saw him and was not impressed, my point is quite possibly many of these sycophantic woman had something to possibly gain, without that gain, is it just his Clooneyesque appeal?

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    I really believe that one married guy isn't the same as the next. What I mean is that any normal joe soap married guy will not be put in the same situations as those who are so accessible to the public, and so accessible to many many temptations from beautiful looking women. That is when the flesh becomes weak and weaker.

    Tiger was living out of hotels with women probably constantly making advances, hot women, babes, not the average run of the mill piece of dirt. Now, it would take a very very disciplined and devoted guy to always say no to such temptation, especially if he thinks that he can keep it quiet.
    I don't buy it Walsh. No way. For example look at poor little me. I work a a college with an Airline Stewardess Training Department. The Girls are hot, hot, hot! In my six years of teaching beautiful Aisan girls, who are often struck by having an older moderately attractive white teacher and often will do anything to get some extra English lessons, I have been hit on several times. Some girls asked me out, and some even asked me to sleep with them. Despite an (from what I've been told) abnormally high sex drive and plenty of desire to shag every good looking girl I see, I have yet to submit to thier tempting ways. Tghose dirty little harlotts!

    I don't do this on any moral high authority either. I do it because I have seen first hand what it can do to a family and how bad it devastates mother and children. I love my sons and they are more important than any young skank to me.

    The bottom line here is Tiger is under the media spotlight and despite thinking he was untouchable in these kinds of situations, he acted like a complete idiot after crashing his car into a tree. The media picked up on it and he still behaved like an asshole. Now he is paying the price for being a role model and an asshole at the same time. Good!

    Normally, I wouldn't lower myself in these kind of debates --I never even looked at the Michael Jackson discussion and am not really invested in Tiger Woods --other than the fact that I have a sick tendency to tease die hard golf fans; the Mel Gibson Jokes seem to have run their course and TKO11 doesn't seem to want to debate global warming with me.

    Other than that, Tiger is no less a douche now than he was before all this media frenzy began

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    global warming ? BORING. why would we talk about the future health of the planet with personal gossip out there ? gotsta prioritze !

    greg

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    especially when its a myth

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    Or a conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!

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    OTR - I never said a word about Michael Jackson either. And I stopped discussing the climate crisis with you when you continued to give more validity to a couple of rogue reports than the completely internationally accepted studies and groups I kept citing. I don't believe in banging my head on a wall.

    You are definitely right about Tiger though - he was a douche before this thing and he is simply now just continuing to be one. The thing is though that when he comes back to the tour, I will be awfully surprised if he doesn't win three of his first four tournaments.

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    Cliff,

    I have no doubt.. the entitlement of the great player is a constant theme throughout the tour's history.

    I witnessed more than a few 'eh?' moments when the PGA Championship was here at Oak Hill.

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    It seems almost ridiculous in light of recent events to have seen the words below on another thread... Dad Earl talking about Eldrick, aka Tiger...

    "Tiger Woods won twice in his first seven PGA Tour events after turning pro in 1996 at age 20 and was named Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year. Woods predicted greatness for Tiger on and off the course, telling the magazine that his son "will do more than any other man in history to change the course of humanity."

    "He's the bridge between the East and the West," the father said. "There is no limit because he has the guidance. I don't know yet exactly what form this will take. But he is the Chosen One. He'll have the power to impact nations. Not people. Nations. The world is just getting a taste of his power."


    Seems Tiger is and always has been just a golfer, not the Second Coming. A great player, though one who doesn't excite me, but apparently excites a lot of young ladies...

    P.S. - Walshb, your talk of women throwing themselves at Tiger... is probably so, but in all of the examples of the 12 we've heard from thus far, it is HE, through his buddies, who approaches the women at bars/restaurants and starts the flirtation. Tiger is truly on the prowl, he's no passive participant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Frank
    P.S. - Walshb, your talk of women throwing themselves at Tiger... is probably so, but in all of the examples of the 12 we've heard from thus far, it is HE, through his buddies, who approaches the women at bars/restaurants and starts the flirtation. Tiger is truly on the prowl, he's no passive participant.
    I would say he was very willing and able, and not passive at all.
    He was out and about, with a "loyal" team behind him and there were many
    very attractive women in his company; the temptation was too much for him.
    Some men can resist, other can't. I just don't think he is a "douche" for this.

    BTW, Woods isn't just a great golfer. He is more than that. He is the most famous golfer
    in history, and one of the most famous sports stars in history. People watch golf for him, not just the sport. The figures back this up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walshb
    BTW, Woods isn't just a great golfer. He is more than that. He is the most famous golfer
    in history, and one of the most famous sports stars in history. People watch golf for him, not
    just the sport. The figures back this up.
    Personally, I think his popularity has more to do with the MASS-marketing of him from the start, and his color, than anything else. Multiplied by his era being the era of the Internet, not just TV.

    Nicklaus was a similar achiever as an amateur and, oh by the way, beat a prime, mega-star Palmer head-to-head to win his first US Open, in his rookie year.

    If there was no Nicklaus and his great record in majors (and elsewhere), to an extent there'd be no Tiger. Tiger's goal from the beginning was to break Nicklaus's record in major tournaments.

    Walshb, from Tiger's first year on tour, when US newscasters discuss golf, they don't even say who's in the lead when it's not Tiger, they say, "Tiger Woods is tied for 15th currently." It's hard to learn who is the actual leader. It's never been done this way before, and it's not rational.

    Tiger is famous for his accomplishments now, but he was merchandised like a rock star before ever proving a thing on the tour. He had $60 mil in endorsement contracts before ever playing a round as a professional. That's a fact.

    "Most famous" means much more to you than to me, my friend walshb. Francis Ouimet won the US Open in 1913 or so, upsetting the great British pros, and yet he was not long past his days as a caddie. Much bigger than any victory of Woods's. So, who is more famous? The guy playing in the age of the Internet and Television.

    Bobby Jones won the Grand Slam as an amateur. And was the total gentleman.

    Ben Hogan had the greatest swing and by far the most technical knowledge--needing no readily available "coach" as do Woods and others of today's tour players-- and Hogan triumphed in majors even after he was almost killed in a car accident (with a bus), when it was thought he'd never walk again.

    That's a helluva lot more to come back from than screwing around with a bunch of women with big mouths.

    Riddick Bowe is more famous than Jack Dempsey, but I don't see that as an accomplishment except insofar as its impact on endorsements.

    I'd rather watch Nicklaus...Palmer...Player..Miller...Trevino...Wei skopf--Watson...Floyd...Crenshaw...Wadkins...Irwin...Zoel ler... and the other greats of a generation ago, over Woods. Honestly. Without the stupid fist-pumping and the loud-mouthed caddie.

    Even if they are less famous than Woods and were not marketed like Pamela Anderson.

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    He also backs it up on the course and is one of the greatest players of all time; I would say he on his day is the best of all time. Also, him being black was influential in the game that was dominated by white men.

    The depth of talent and competition today and in the recent past is also probably stronger? Woods is a winner in any era, and a dominant one at that. I guess his dominance and brilliance is comparable to Clay/Ali when he emerged in the 60s, or Jordan in the 80s from BB...

    Edit: I just noticed that you did mention his colour. I thought you overlooked that "minor" detail.
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    disagree mike... tiger was more than what you say on the course. of course everything is more heavily marketed these days and maybe you appreciate the efforts of all those guys you listed more than tiger and his fist pumping but that fist pumping has brought an excitement to todays fans that will be missed in his absence.

    when it comes to what tiger means to the sport in general your opinion of him is in the minority. that will be proven in the ratings during this hiatus. a 50% drop in viewers is not out of the question here and no matter what they say the PGA and its affiliates are crapping themselves right now.

    as for his indiscretions i look at as the first one being the breaker.... after that and with all the opportunities in every golf town in the world i think it probably just got easier. also i doubt he is the only one. the rats are fleeing the nest now. were going to see a lot more PGA wives outside the ropes next golf season i can assure you .... if anyone is watching that is.

    greg

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    Greg,

    I didn't knock what Tiger means to the sport today, or the effect of his absence on the ratings, not at all. In regard to the ratings, as I said to walshb I don't doubt it for a minute. I just don't think he'd have gotten big ratings in the first place without all the marketing done before he ever swung a club on tour, which I don't think was ever afforded any other pro golfer. Not for any great amateur, and there were plenty of them. (Woods admittedly had the most US Amateur wins at 3.) He has since dominated with his play, for sure.

    As an aside, his race certainly worked for him, clearly, as the marketing was done to reflect what he allegedly overcame, etc. Born at the end of 1975, he had to overcome nothing, I believe, due to race. His TV commercial re: not being allowed on certain golf courses due to race--is he kidding? Blacks have been playing on virtually every course in the US for decades, even when not a member of the club (in these cases, as guests in tournaments). I caddied for black golfers at a very exclusive club.

    Methinks Tiger twisted his not being allowed to play at any old private club that he felt like, which was because they were private, into "racism." But it wasn't because he was black. They didn't let rich white men play, either, if not members.
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    mike,

    no doubt tiger as been more blessed timing wise than players before him. of course, like i said, marketing has been a factor and he had, until now, played that card very well. as for the race vs. exclusivity issue and playing the race card i do not think he has done that to any major extent. jim brown and bill russel have both complained that modern black athletes like woods and jordan have not done enough speaking out for their race. the reasons they do not may very well be a part of their marketing strategy.

    i remember a 2 yr. old tiger hitting balls on mike douglas and his 3 amateur championships as well at the fortunes tossed at him. it was extraordinary for sure so if you are saying he has been spoiled .... well, little argument there. even with all these problems now what does he do ..... go on larry king or oprah and try to patch up the damage ... NO.... he loaded up his boat (queen mary looking thing) which BTW is named the privacy and sailed away.

    i don't think we have an argument here mike. the guy is in another world although not totally of his own creation.

    greg
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregbeyer
    i don't think we have an argument here mike. the guy is in another world although not totally of his own creation.

    greg
    Agree with your post, Greg, and most especially with the quoted remark above.

    Regards,

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    thanx mike.

    regards also,
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    I never said a word about Michael Jackson either. And I stopped discussing the climate crisis with you when you continued to give more validity to a couple of rogue reports than the completely internationally accepted studies and groups I kept citing. I don't believe in banging my head on a wall.
    I wasn't directing the MJ comment at you specifically, I simply noticed that that thread had grown particularly long to my surprise.

    Regarding AGW, I did not give you a couple, I gave you several letigimate well ducumented studies, by legitimate scientists, who did NOT fraudulently manipulate thier data. Who's baning their head against a wall. I am open to AGW existing, I just don't think we can prove it and Gore and company have a lot more to gain from this that they let on.

    I mean I know it's a sin to go against the grain of conventional wisdom -just ask Galileo! He told everyone that the Earth travelled around the sun for crying out loud!

    Come on back to the conspiracy thread TKO, I miss you.

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    I always dismissed any talk of race when it came to him. I remember when he was interviewed by barbara woods and asked "What race do you consider yourself?'" How I wish he had said "The human race and that was a stupid question"

    I started thinking, is Donald Trump any less of a douche? He cheated left and right, but he divorced and married the women afterwards. Just wondering if he was more discreet that tiger or better at covering himself. There were also kids involved. His spin doctors made it seem he was looking for love, while tigers image is he was sleeping with just any beautiful tramp.

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    I have literally hated the emphasis on Tiger's race since day 1. I am probably the least racist white guy on the planet, and I figured "Tiger's ethnicity is clearly not caucasion - what else do we really need to say about it? He's a guy who plays golf - let's watch....."

    However I LOATHE political correctness when it makes it so that you cant even mention it. When Tiger won the Masters in 1997, Fuzzy got in so much trouble for what I considered a totally harmless comment. The defending champion at the Masters decides the menu at the next year's champion's dinner, and in an interview Fuzzy (who was clearly into the cocktails) said, "Just tell him not to serve fried chicken and collard greens next year."

    The fallout was tremendous. It was a veritable front page news story, that ruined Fuzzy's reputation and stole away his desire to speak to the media (a tragedy for everyone, as he was one of the best interviews on tour). But what the hell was wrong with that? That it used a steroeotype? It was a joke for God's sake.

    If Sandy Lyle had won and Fuzzy said, "Just tell him not to serve haggis and mush peas next year," would there have been a peep from the media? If Harington had won and he said, "Just tell him not to serve bacon and cabbage with bangers and mash," would there have been a single eybrow raised? Not a chance. The media hung it's hat on the story, where there was no story at all, and ruined the guy's life.

    Then to top it all off, Sports Illustrated's article on the tournament started with, "I guess you could call the 1997 Masters a Black-Thai affair," which I thought had a lot more potentially racist ramifications than anything Fuzzy tried to make a joke about.

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