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  1. #1
    pendleton23
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    Blue Print for Victory Against Mayweather

    Nobody is unbeatable in boxing .Sooner or latter somebody will figure out a plan against Mayweather.If you had a boxer what would you instuct him to do against Mayweather?

  2. #2
    bomma
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    I guess I will be the first to answer, I really do think Hatton has the stuff to beat Mayweather I say the way to do it is exactly the way that Duran beat Leonard in there first fight. Fight him inside apply constant pressure, don't let him get off, make it into a fight. The key as I see it is to take him off of his game and make him fight in a style that he is not as good at which is close and inside, this is what Castillo did in their first fight and I actually think he won. This is how Duran beat Leonard, he didn't let him get the range to box. I say if Hatton can fight, and is allowed to fight the way he did Tszyu he has a chance, I would say he was the underdog but he has a good chance.

  3. #3
    dnahar
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    I agree with the blueprint bomma. I like Hatton over Mayweather as well with that style.

    However, I get miffed when people in general talk about "allowing Hatton to fight the way he did Tszyu." When you look at classic fights (Basilio-Fullmer comes to mind), it was fought the exact same way and the ref let them fight. It makes for an exciting phone booth brawl type of fight and, unlike Ruiz when he holds, Hatton does a lot of punching and he's not preventing the other man from punching back. That's brawling IMO and a part of the sport. So why would any ref not allow that style when Hatton is only smothering punches and getting leverage on his punches with the style he employs?

    Deepak

  4. #4
    StingerKarl
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    Man, bomma; i disagree.
    Floyd is a wonderful inside fighter, IMO.
    He is so relaxed in throwing counter uppercuts, pull rights, and in blocking shots with his elbows and sides-ripping in counters, sliding off to either side and then pumping his jab again.
    I don't think Ricky is as much as inside fighter as he is a clutch and club artist.
    I think Hatton does his best work outside in setting up his shots under and over.
    But; that's your opinion on Floyd-and you make a pretty valid point using the first Castillo fight as an example.
    But Castillo can do that to anyone.
    Karl

  5. #5
    bomma
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    dnahar I am not saying that I think he shouldn't be allowed to fight that way, I don't have a problem with it ether, if it is the style that Hatton dose it, reminds me of Marciano, or Duran, not the one punch hold until the ref separates them stuff like Ruiz. I just wonder if the fight is fought in America if they will let him fight this way, and I am a red blooded American saying that but with these home town refs involved you never know. Karl we will have to disagree on this one, I am not talking fight inside as much as I am talking fighting in that Marciano brawling style that Hatton is so good at. No doubt about it this would have to be a Leonard vs Duran, Robinson vs Jake LaMotta, Robinson vs Basilio, Ali vs Frazier 1 style of fight for Hatton to win. Which is to say I am not saying the Hatton would even then be assured of winning but I do think this is the way to beat Mayweather. Someone will do it, most boxers don't end there careers undefeated.

  6. #6
    pendleton23
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    You know I think lateral movement will be the key to beating Mayweather.Everybody thinks inside but Mayweather has that shoulder defence and just eats people up.I would lie to see someone force Mayweather to chase them.

  7. #7
    bomma
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    Interesting point pendleton I am not sure who has tried to chase him. That makes me think that someone like Cory Spinks might be an interesting fight for him then. But I doubt there would be enought demand for this fight.

  8. #8
    HEGrant
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    Re: Re: Blue Print for Victory Against Mayweather

    I would love to see Mayweather fight Hatton. However, I just don't see anyone his size beating Floyd now. He is that great. Like everyone, if he fights long enough his day will come. I just don't think it's anytime soon.

  9. #9
    walsh b
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    Re: Re: Blue Print for Victory Against Mayweather

    Plain and simple, Hatton has the exact style to beat any type of fighter....controlled relentless pressure, with a great variety of damaging shots and a great chin with remarkable stamina...

  10. #10
    HEGrant
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    Re: Re: Blue Print for Victory Against Mayweather

    However, Matweather is light years faster than Tzsyu...he will not sit and trade with him. It would be a completely different fight than Hatton had against Kosta...

    I remember when everyone was saying how Chavez would do the exact same thing against Whitaker...it did not play out that way and will not here.

    Mayweather is lightning fast and hits with good enough power. He is much stronger than people think. He takes a very good shot and has the heart of a warrior. I simply think he is a level or two above Hatton.

  11. #11
    Roberto Aqui
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    Castillo layed out the blueprint to beat Floyd. He just wasn't strong enough to seal the deal. At 140-147, Floyd will be exposed to more power. Too much is made of Floyd's skills. Facts are he wins primarily on training and natural talent which are greatly enhanced by his skills. That shoulder defense will be his Waterloo when he matches up with a strong, quick right handed fighter.

    Hatton probably drools thinking about taking him apart. Not so certain about Cotto, but Arum will probably protect him for now. Margarito would blast Floyd out easily, and Zab would be a dangerous fight for him. Already told y'all what Winky would do to him!

  12. #12
    dnahar
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    Re: Re: Blue Print for Victory Against Mayweather

    Granted, Mayweather is lightning fast. And against Corley and Gatti, he showed good 140 power. But he never had to face much resistance there. I don't think Gatti landed one solid punch the whole fight. Corley landed but a few and never followed up. All of these attributes work when you are not getting hit and fighters like Shane Mosley milked their speed for as long as they could before getting exposed. Not to put Mosley at the same level as Mayweather, except speed wise.

    But when Jose Luis Castillo showed resistance, what did Mayweather do? He backed off and tried to win going backwards which only worked because he had rounds in the bank. I personally thought he lost. He couldn't keep Castillo away even with the speed in the second half of the first fight because the body work and pressure got to him.

    Hatton is a 100% pressure fighter, just like JLC. He's not a boxer, but a pure brawler. He will put pressure on Mayweather early and often and weaken him with body shots that would slow Mayweather down later in the fight. If Mayweather throws some fast combinations to keep him off, he will shrug them off and wade in anyway. That's the benefit of having an excellent chin as a pressure fighter. He took more than a few flush shots from Tszyu without getting discouraged and Tszyu cracks harder than PBF. And how would Mayweather react to this? Those shoulder rolls are great, but if Hatton is throwing a hundred punches without getting tired you can't shoulder block all of them. Plus, those sneakly inside uppercuts go to the chin and face which doesn't roll. And this is natural for Hatton, he wouldn't have to try and change his natural style for this fight like Gatti attempted to do.

    I'm not saying it will be easy, but I do think that Hatton will beat Mayweather and win a decision. Mayweather may be a great fighter, but I have my doubts at 140. This is the first time since JLC over 3 years ago (by the time the fight may take place) that Floyd would be facing an elite fighter in their prime and Floyd is not at his best weight.

    It's too bad we will have to wait a while for this bout...Just talking about it brings out the goosebumps of anticipation. It's my #1 matchup in the sport. Come on Frank Warren and Bob Arum, make it happen! Don't make me beg!

    Deepak

  13. #13
    gregbeyer
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    Re: Re: Blue Print for Victory Against Mayweather

    well an old school way of taking a fight from a guy like ppf would be to offer him huge bucks to come to your home town. as soon as he gets off the plane you set him up with a couple of diseased hookers in a hotel where the phone rings every 15 minutes at all hours of the nite, pay every potential sparring partner in town to stay away from the gym and be sure to spike every one of his meals with sleep aids, double it the day of the fight. get a referee who considers ducking or blocking punches a foul and who is not adverse to assesing point deductions for excessive jabbing. as a contingency plan( just in case the bastard still wins the damn fight) have one of the ring card girls offer him a glass of milk at ring center along with a cannabis laced brownie, that should be enough to get the result overturned.

    i am with HEGRANT, i really don't see anyone beating this guy right now. hatton may have the best chance with that herky jerky attack but i would not be surprised to see ppf figure him out very quickly.
    greg

  14. #14
    Dhalgren
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    Re: Re: Blue Print for Victory Against Mayweather

    I'm still holding on to the (albeit fading) dream of seeing Hatton vs. Mayweather on the same card as Calzaghe vs. Lacy. Man, what a night of boxing that would be. 60,000 people watching live, millions around the world. It'd be the biggest event in boxing in many a year.

  15. #15
    dnahar
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    Boxing Rarely Makes Sense

    Dhalgren, the scenario you mention makes too much sense for this backwards sport. A lot of PPV buys (probably reach 700,000+) and a marquee night in the sport. Front page headlines throughout Europe and USA Today and ESPN would gravitate to a huge event like that. Nationalistic pride of US vs. Europe in a Ryder Cup like atmosphere. With 60,000 fans in an outdoor stadium, a lot of real fans who are shut out by casinos would be able to attend and add flavor to the event.

    What's not to like? The revenue would be so good that the fighters would make real good money and increase their profile and PPV buys for future fights.

    There's too many reasons for this to happen, but there are two reasons why it won't: Boxing people don't care about the sport, and promoters compete with each other instead of working with each other.

    Deepak

  16. #16
    TKO Tom
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    Re: Boxing Rarely Makes Sense

    Pressure will beat Floyd.

    Frazier beat Ali with pressure. Dwight Braxton beat Matthew Saad Muhammad with pressure. Basilio beat Robinson with pressure. Pressure busts pipes.

    You have to take Floyd out of his comfort zone. Rough him up. Hit him low here and there. Cuff him behind the head. Make him fight when he doesn't want to fight and don't let him ever get set.



    Hatton would give him a helluva go and probably beat him.

  17. #17
    Rafael
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    Mayweather-Judah negotiations

    I spoke with Yoel Judah (Zab's father/trainer) after the Rahman fight last night, and asked him if the Mayweather fight was a done deal. He said no, because Mayweather wanted a 60-40 split. Judah is asking for parity. The way PB is negotiating these days, he'd also ask De La Hoya for 60-40.

  18. #18
    HEGrant
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    Re: Mayweather-Judah negotiations

    There is only one blueprint to defeat Mayweather if we are talking about fighters close to his weight class. The answer:

    Wait for him to get old. It's not happening any other way. Mark my words, HE WILL OUTCLASS HATTON.

  19. #19
    diggity1
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    Re: Mayweather-Judah negotiations

    Someone will have PBFs number & it doesn't have to be later than soon. Why not Hatton or even Judah? PBF is good but he is by no stretch perfect.

    I think Hatton has a great chance to give PBF a nightmare.
    Hatton is obviously more of a strategist than people want to give him credit for. I'm sure he will study the Castillo fights and take them to the next level with his speed, body attack & relentless physical pressure.

    Judah also has a great chance with his speed, power and straight-shot, southpaw style.

  20. #20
    Steve Coughlin
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    Just My Two Cents But ...

    I really don't think Floyd would go the distance with Hatton. Look, Pretty Boy's a brilliant fighter but this is his third division and his power isn't a factor at Jr Welter. Hell, it wasn't much if any factor at lightweight. I just see Hatton hitting everything on Floyd's body OFTEN... head, arms, shoulders, ribs ... and every punch adding up in a big way. And I can't see Mayweather's punches even bothering the much bigger Hatton. And no one's seen what the Pretty Boy can do after he's been hurt. Does he rise to the occasion or does he fold faster than Superman on laundry day? Time will likely tell as this is a megabout to be sure, but at this time I'll go with the Hit Man.

  21. #21
    Hagler04
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    Re: Just My Two Cents But ...

    It's not just pressure . . .it's an ENDLESS, FAST, MULTI-FACETED pressure attack that could defeat a boxer-puncher like Maywheather. Pressure fighters like that are a VERY rare breed these days (b/c it's so fucking tough to fight that kind of fight), and even in the old days only a handful (Frazier and Qawi for example) were of that breed. Hatton is good but not in that class. Maybe if Beau Jack was alive we could see a first class pressure fighter test Maywheather, but that's not happening. Hatton is strong and tough but come on Kosya looked like the old man that he is that fight, and showed barely a fraction of the speed and movement Hatton would face fighting Floyd. I don't see the fight happening which is a shame but if it did I don't see Ricky beating Maywheather.

    Judah is another story though, b/c he takes away one of Floyd's best attributes (speed) and packs even more power. I really hope that fight happens b/c it'd be explosive.

  22. #22
    Steve Coughlin
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    Re: Just My Two Cents But ...

    And that's exactly the pressure that I feel Hatton will bring to Floyd, Hagler04. He hits really hard with either hand, is an excellent body puncher who looks to do it early & often, has endless energy and a jaw that rivals Bazooka Limon's. Tszyu HAMMERED Ricky with his right on several occasions but didn't make him blink. If Koysta can't move the Hit Man Mayweather's punches shouldn't be too hard for him to take.

    I may be in the minority, but ever since I first saw him I've felt that Hatton was going to be one of the truly special fighters of the 2000s.

    I agree that Zab would be a really tough test for Floyd too. But that fight is just as likely being brilliant or a cure for insomnia.

  23. #23
    Hagler04
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    maybe

    perhaps I'm under-rating Hatton. I've only seen him fight twice. We shall see . . .

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