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    Defending the indefensible

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09...ted/index.html

    Am I mad to think that the defending of this guy is absolutely appalling?
    And, by heads of state and people in such high positions.

    Wow, he made some good films, so that means that it's okay to rape a 13 year old girl, admit it and then flee from justice. And from what I heard, it was more than just sex. Disgusting pervert.

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    "... The French culture and communications minister, Frederic Mitterrand, said he "learned with astonishment" of Polanski's arrest. He expressed solidarity with Polanski's family and said "he wants to remind everyone that Roman Polanski benefits from great general esteem" and has "exceptional artistic creation and human qualities."

    Investigators in the United States say Polanski drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl in the 1970s. Polanski pleaded guilty in 1977 to having unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor, but he fled the United States before he could be sentenced. He settled in France.

    U.S. authorities have had a warrant for his arrest since 1978. Police in Switzerland arrested Polanski on that warrant Saturday after the 76-year-old tried to enter Switzerland to attend the Zurich Film Festival, which is holding a tribute to Polanski this year.

    Filmmakers have reacted with outrage at the arrest.

    "As a Swiss filmmaker, I feel deeply ashamed," Christian Frei said.

    "He's a brilliant guy, and he made a little mistake 32 years ago. What a shame for Switzerland," said photographer Otto Weisser, a friend of Polanski..."


    I guess rape by a 40+ man of a 13-year-old whom he drugged first, also sodomized and other things, is only a "little mistake."

    I felt sorry for some of the things that Polanski went through in Europe when a youngster, also the murder of his wife, Sharon Tate Polanski, but forcible rape of a 13 y.o. shouldn't be defended.

    Why am I not surprised that some of the never-neutral Swiss, and the French, are defending him?

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    Very very strange and just goes to show you the lack of character that
    exists in the world. How the hell could anyone trust people in
    positions of authority with this attitude to such a heinous crime?

    The bloody French leader is coming out in defence. I wonder what Obama
    makes of this?

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    I just caught Debra Winger on the news as well as just about every other film festival personnel defending this sex offender and it sickened my stomach.

    Like a coward Roman Polanski raped a child and like the coward he is, he fled the US to avoid facing his sentence.

    How anybody can defend this guy based on "it was 3 decades ago" is a sham. Is this how society should treat child molesters? What if Polanski had just eluded authorities inside the US and not been a celebrated filmmaker but Joe Nobody? Would all theses tree hugging left wingers be celebrating the guy?

    He's had 3 decades of avoiding his penalty, now extradite the child molester back to the U.S. and let him face the music.

    Let the judge decide what consideration "It was 3 decades ago" holds.

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    Re: Defending the indefensible

    Didn't we have the same adulation for Jacko, so I guess this is not a surprise.

    And I hate to make comparisons, but Roman was possibly worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walshb
    Didn't we have the same adulation for Jacko, so I guess this is not a surprise.
    Yeah, walshie imagine ME, a father of three having ZERO compassion for a sexual deviant that preys on a child.

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    Apparently, Polanski didn't learn his lesson after pleading guilty to the charge of having sex with a minor, as some news reports have stated that once he fled to Europe he took up with "girlfriends" as young as fifteen years of age. One has to wonder how many other young girls he raped while in "exile".

    These guys cannot be helped, cured, etc. The level of recidivism among sex offenders is astronomically-high. Locking them away for life, or possibly having them submit to chemical or medical castration (still no guarantee they won't sexually abuse children in some other way) is the only way to deal with them.

    I happen to live near a special facility for sex offenders, and had an acquaintance who worked as a guard there for several years. Some of the stuff he told me was simply outrageous and moved me enough to contact a couple of local lawmakers, who looked into things there and effected some changes. For instance, part of the "therapy" these creeps were given consisted of having them watch a constant stream of porn videos (sounds eerily like "A Clockwork Orange", doesn't it?), and encouraging them to masturbate several times a day. I guess the professionals counseling them there figured they'd do it enough and then would be shooting blanks upon their eventual release back into society?

    What bullshit.

    These jokers were also allowed to take jobs within the facility, some of which put them in a position to deal with vendors visiting the place. My friend caught one of them jacking-off under his desk while a female copier technician worked on a machine just feet away, unaware of her secret admirer.

    So this foreign dipshit has "suffered" by his exile from the States? Fuck him. Jet-setting around the globe, establishing residences in a couple of countries, receiving the accolades of the perverted, left wing Hollywood elite all sounds about as far-removed from any "punishment" that I've ever heard of.

    No, he NEEDS to be extradited and imprisoned, the sooner the better.

    Kyoodle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyoodle
    So this foreign dipshit has "suffered" by his exile from the States? Fuck him. Jet-setting around the globe, establishing residences in a couple of countries, receiving the accolades of the perverted, left wing Hollywood elite all sounds about as far-removed from any "punishment" that I've ever heard of.
    Beautifully put.

    I wonder how Hollywood's "It was 30 years ago" attitude would apply to Nazi war criminals being brought to justice many years later. Just a guess that their position would deviate, especially if they ever want to work again in that town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10-8
    Beautifully put.

    I wonder how Hollywood's "It was 30 years ago" attitude would apply to Nazi war criminals being brought to justice many years later. Just a guess that their position would deviate, especially if they ever want to work again in that town.
    Jeez....let's give this a rest it was 30 years ago and he has already financially
    settled with the woman a long time ago, I mean she was only 13, a couple hundred years ago 13 year-olds were commonly married...
    So let him be

    (Till he gets to the US and then slice his Johnson off)

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    Thedailybeast.com had an interesting piece skewering the defenders of Polanski.

    This is an interesting case because there are good arguments on both sides.

    What Polanski did was heinous, and legally and morally indefensible. He deserves whatever he gets.

    On the other hand, you could convincingly argue that had Polanski not been a celebrity, the US government would never have expended the extraordinary time, effort, man-hours, money and diplomatic capital required to bring him in 31 years later. And that extraordinary expenditure of resources raises the question of proportionality. What end is attained and is it worth it? Everyone has moved on and even the victim wants the case dropped.

    How many murders, assaults, rapes, kidnappings and other violent crimes, some involving serial offenders who present a real and present danger to American citizens, have gotten far less attention than this newsmaker? How do you explain to a 30-year-old mother of two who is being brushed off by the cops after a post-party rape in a back alley that the govt has waged such a 30-year offensive to bring a debauched celebrity to justice?

    I don't think anybody is wrong here.

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    DC, the alley rape is not an accurate analogy because Polanski has already been CONVICTED. The matter at hand is him being sentenced not inestigated/arrested/tried. He has already stood before the court and plead GUILTY. The victim can't ask that anything be 'dropped' since the case is complete and Polanski has been convicted. All that remains is for Polanski to get sentenced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDKO
    I mean she was only 13, a couple hundred years ago 13 year-olds were commonly married...
    That reminds me of the old Cheech & Chong skit 'Basketball Jones'

    "Coach, let's talk about your record..."

    "My record? Why you wanna talk about that? How the hell did I know she was only 13? She looked at least 15 anyway..."

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    No matter what that woman now feels shouldn't come into this whatsoever.
    He committed a sick act on a young child and we have folks defending it.
    Surely, the damn authorities and power people should shut the fuck up and allow justice to prevail here. I bet the woman just wants an end to this, and I cannot blame her for this, but Polanski is a pervert and criminal and nobody should be able to flout the law like this, otherwise, society breaks down.

    As much as the sickos in Hollywood or perverts in the French government think this is 'nothing,' they should stay damn well out of it and allow the U.S. justice system to deal with .

    Yes, slice his Johnson off may be appropriate

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    Put Polanski in the same cell as Charlie Manson. Then maybe both would get what they deserve...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDKO
    Jeez....let's give this a rest it was 30 years ago and he has already financially
    settled with the woman a long time ago, I mean she was only 13, a couple hundred years ago 13 year-olds were commonly married...
    So let him be

    (Till he gets to the US and then slice his Johnson off)
    You son of a b.....you had me GOING until that last sentence, you cruel bastard

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    And I just read that Polanski has two young girls of his own. Why do I have a horrifying, sneaking suspicion that even they aren't safe around him and his perverted desires?

    Better yet, what woman alive, knowing his past, would give this sicko KIDS?

    Kyoodle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyoodle
    And I just read that Polanski has two young girls of his own. Why do I have a horrifying, sneaking suspicion that even they aren't safe around him and his perverted desires?

    Better yet, what woman alive, knowing his past, would give this sicko KIDS?

    Kyoodle
    Hey, don't be surprised at all with the women; in history, it's usually a jezebel that
    is part of the problem.

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    Re: Defending the indefensible

    Just look at the

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    Hey, don't be surprised at all with the women; in history, it's usually a jezebel that
    is part of the problem.
    Just look at the case of that sick bastard in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petey
    Put Polanski in the same cell as Charlie Manson. Then maybe both would get what they deserve...
    This is actually pretty mean-spirited, if you are serious. Manson's people murdered Polanski's wife, Sharon Tate Polanski, among others.

    Polanski didn't murder anyone--as awful as his crime was-- and he isn't cut from the same cloth as Manson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Frank
    This is actually pretty mean-spirited, if you are serious. Manson's people murdered Polanski's wife, Sharon Tate Polanski, among others.

    Polanski didn't murder anyone--as awful as his crime was-- and he isn't cut from the same cloth as Manson.
    I don't believe there are many cut from Manson's cloth......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Off The River
    Just look at the case of that sick bastard in California.
    Yes, and unfortunately one of thousands. You know, I am a keen fan of crime programmes and it never ceases to amaze me that so many serial killers and vile beasts were married and had children. These women, what were they at and how was there husband out butchering people freely without them at least twigging something was amiss. Serial killing isn't easy, one has to be cunning and clever and busy and passionate and thorough I would imagine. So, there has to be glaring signs that "my hubby is up to something."

    Behind every good man, there's a good woman....

    Now, we know a similar saying to his....

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    Quote Originally Posted by walshb
    Serial killing isn't easy
    You're not kidding. Ever try getting blood stains out of your trunk carpet? Nearly impossible....

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    I'm going on record here

    As saying I have ZERO issue in seeing a Child Molester having to bunk up with a psychopath for the rest of his misbegotten life, especially if said psychopath ordered the Child Molester's wife to be hacked up into little pieces.

    Where's the problem here?

    WHat is the WORST thing that could Possibly happen in such a scenario?

    They both Kill each other? One Kills the other? One tortures the other, mentally physically, emotionally, spiritually, metaphysically, etc.?

    What is the possible down side here?

    It would be unjust to see a Child Molster treated this way? It's not fair to see the husband get revenge on the monster who butchered his wife?

    Both Scumbags wax eachother out?

    What possible scenario doesn't work?

    Hawk

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    Re: I'm going on record here

    Quote Originally Posted by hawk5ins

    What possible scenario doesn't work?

    Hawk
    They become lovers and live happily ever after?


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    Re: Defending the indefensible

    The LA Times had a scathing article on this today, btw. Writer lambastes Hollywood Ivory Tower liberals for their defense of Polanski.

    Ouch! Take that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk5ins
    As saying I have ZERO issue in seeing a Child Molester having to bunk up with a psychopath for the rest of his misbegotten life, especially if said psychopath ordered the Child Molester's wife to be hacked up into little pieces.

    Where's the problem here?

    WHat is the WORST thing that could Possibly happen in such a scenario?

    They both Kill each other? One Kills the other? One tortures the other, mentally physically, emotionally, spiritually, metaphysically, etc.?

    What is the possible down side here?

    It would be unjust to see a Child Molster treated this way? It's not fair to see the husband get revenge on the monster who butchered his wife?

    Both Scumbags wax eachother out?

    What possible scenario doesn't work?

    Hawk
    It's all about synergy:

    Polanski can dress Manson in a schoolgirl outfit,
    and Manson can carve a swastika (kind of "X" marks the spot) where he
    wants to "meet" Polanski......

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    Re: Defending the indefensible

    Kirstie Alley on Roman Polanski: Don't Celebrate or Defend Him, Hollywood!
    Josh Grossberg, eonline
    7 hours ago

    UPDATE: Alley is apparently none too pleased with our report. In the comments section below, she posted this response.

    Kirstie: "1st Josh, could you have found an uglier shot of me? 2nd When U wrote "for the record,Polanski copped to unlawful intercourse with a minor (as opposed to rape)..." did u mean we should think that it's LESSER than RAPE? sorta like asking Jeffrey Daumer if he MURDERED his victims or was just trying to make ZOMBIES out of them as he "copped" to doing..let's see..43 year old Director Roman Polanski put his ***** in a 13 year old girls ****** and then her ANUS after he gave her drugs and alcohol, while she was telling him to STOP..hmmm that's a tough one.."as (opposed to rape).." Have we really gotten so STUPID and TWISTED that we care what the CRIMINAL says he was doing? and do we REALLY think a 45 day stay in jail makes up for RAPING a child? Polanski was afraid he wouldn't get a FAIR TRIAL? hmmm ISN'T THAT WHAT ALL CRIMINALS SAY? I'm going to go bang my head on the floor..makes more sense than defending a RAPIST."

    And she couldn't help tweeting her displeasure with the writer.

    " Mr. Josh is just another little snippy bitch who wouldn't talk against RP because he might lose his snippy bitch job..lol."

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    Re: Defending the indefensible

    Quote Originally Posted by Surf-Bat
    The LA Times had a scathing article on this today, btw. Writer lambastes Hollywood Ivory Tower liberals for their defense of Polanski.

    Ouch! Take that!
    Any link for that please.

    Finally, I thought I was going insane and that maybe I was the odd one in
    thinking that the defending of Polanski was sick. Glad to see there are still
    decent folks on earth.

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    Re: Defending the indefensible

    Quote Originally Posted by 10-8
    You're not kidding. Ever try getting blood stains out of your trunk carpet? Nearly impossible....
    I knew that line I wrote may get a reply. But, you do understand my point.

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