Peter Kane, Jackie Patterson and Rinty Monaghan: Forgotten or Forgettable?

[theironbar]

I collect boxing memorabilia... it keeps me from spending money on bad things like... well, you can imagine... I buy a lot of stuff relating to the three above-noted fighters... I like them a lot... I don't know if they were all-time greats, but each was, for a time, the flyweight champion of the world back in the days (why I even mention this when 99% of the posters on this board dwarf my boxing knowledge and know this already) when there was one champ per division, and only 8 weight divisions... or 10, if JWW or JLW are counted...

Anyways... your thoughts on these three British fighters? One from England, one Scotland, and one from Northern Ireland...

[GorDoom]

Cyber Boxing Champion
Peter Kane

Real Name: Peter Kain Born: February 28, 1918 Golborne, England Died: July 23, 1991 Lancashire, England Professional Record: 92-7-2 (52 Kayos), 1 NC
1934
Dec 13 Joe Jacobs Liverpool, England KO 6

1935
Feb 14 Kid Patterson Liverpool, England KO 3
Mar 14 Charlie Powell Liverpool, England KO 2
Mar 28 Nipper Carroll Liverpool, England KO 3
May 2 Bobby Doyle Liverpool, England KO 6
May 30 Jackie Burns Liverpool, England KO 1
Jun 27 Billy Charnock Liverpool, England KO 2
Jul 11 Frank Bonser Liverpool, England KO 4
Jul 25 Jackie Shea Liverpool, England KO 2
Sep 12 Charlie Reed Liverpool, England KO 3
Oct 10 Billy Charnock Liverpool, England KO 2
Nov 7 Jackie Forshaw Liverpool, England KO 1
Dec 5 Clarry Gill Liverpool, England KO 4

1936
Jan 24 Joe Curran Warrington, England W 10
Feb 14 Tiny Bostock Liverpool, England W 10
Mar 24 Willie Smith Liverpool, England KO 4
May 6 Praxille Gyde Liverpool, England KO 3
May 21 Jim Laird Liverpool, England KO 3
Jun 11 Herbie Hill Liverpool, England KO 2
Jun 21 Cyclone Kelly Manchester, England KO 4
Jun 30 Jim Maharg Glasgow KO 3
Aug 19 Enrico Urbinati Liverpool, England KO 8
Aug 27 Jimmy Stewart Belfast, N. Ireland KO 10
Sep 3 Ernst Weiss Liverpool, England W 12
Sep 16 Willie McCamley Glasgow W 10
Oct 22 Pedrito Ruiz Liverpool, England KO 7
Nov 2 Pat Warbuton London KO 1
Nov 12 Valentin Angelmann Liverpool, England W 12
Nov 23 Eugene Huat London KO 7
Dec 14 Gaston Van Den Bos London KO 6
Dec 17 Al Hopp Liverpool, England KO 2

1937
Jan 18 Valentin Angelmann Paris W 12
Feb 18 Paul Schaefer Liverpool, England KO 1
Mar 1 Pierre Louis Paris KO 7
Mar 18 Fortunato Ortega Liverpool, England W 12
Apr 3 Joseph Decico Paris KO 1
Apr 29 Phil Milligan Liverpool, England KO 11
May 27 Ernst Weiss London W 12
Jun 17 Maurice Huguenin Liverpool, England KO 1
Jun 28 Nicolas Petit-Biquet London KO 9
Aug 26 Jim Warnock Liverpool, England KO 4
Oct 13 Benny Lynch Glasgow KO by 13
(For World and British Flyweight Titles)

1938
Feb 3 Hubert Offermans Liverpool, England KO 10
Feb 24 Georges Bataille Paris W 10
Mar 24 Benny Lynch Liverpool, England D 15
(For World Flyweight Title)
May 3 Georges Bataille Liverpool, England KO 2
Jun 2 Bernard Leroux Liverpool, England W 12
Sep 22 Jackie Jurich Liverpool, England W 15
(Wins Vacant World Flyweight Title)

1939
Jan 31 Raoul Degryse Leicester, England W 10
Feb 23 Gino Cattaneo Liverpool, England W 10
Apr 3 Baltazar Sangchili London W 10
Apr 27 Albert Legrand London KO 8
May 18 Jo El Houssine Paris W 10
Aug 5 Pierre Louis Monte Carlo KO 3
Dec 11 Stipped by NBA

1940
Feb 12 Jackie Rankin Earl Court, England KO by 6
Apr 4 Jim Hayes Liverpool, England W 10

1941
Feb 20 Teddy O'Neill London W 6
Mar 3 Jimmy Lyden Liverpool, England L 10
Jun 29 Jimmy Stubbs Liverpool, England KO 7
Nov 16 Tommy McGlinchey Liverpool, England KO 2
Dec 14 Jimmy Stubbs Liverpool, England W 10

1942
Mar 30 Willie Grey London KO 5
Apr 18 Eddie Petrin Bristol, England KO 7
Apr 26 Joe Curran Liverpool, England W 10
May 31 Sammy Reynolds Liverpool, England W 10
Jul 9 Norman Lewis Sheffield, England W 10
Jul 11 Sammy Reynolds Wolverhampton, England W 8
Aug 3 Joe Curran Liverpool, England KO 11
Sep 10 Hugh Cameron Liverpool, England W 10
Oct 1 Frank Bonser Liverpool, England KO 3
Oct 29 Paddy Ryan Liverpool, England KO 6

1943
Jan 14 Willie Grey Liverpool, England W 10
Feb 24 Willie Grey London NC 5
Mar 26 Gus Foran Blackpool, England W 10
Jun 19 Jackie Paterson Glasgow KO by 1
(Loses World, For British Flyweight Title)
Oct 11 Johnny Summers Bristol, England KO 1
Oct 13 Sammy Reynolds London W 10
Nov 3 Jim Brady London W 10

1944-45
Inactive

1946
Aug 13 Jackie Hughes Brighton, England WDQ 5
Sep 4 Ronnie Bissel Cardiff, Wales KO 2
Oct 28 Norman Lewis London KO 5
Nov 18 Jean Jouas Paris W 10

1947
Jan 6 Tommy Madine Nottingham, England KO 4
Feb 10 Eddie "Bunty" Doran Manchester, England W 8
Apr 28 Joe Cornelis Manchester, England W 8
May 19 Len Coffin Leeds, England KO 7
Jun 9 Theo Medina Manchester, England KO 6
Jun 27 Albert Braedt New Brighton, England KO 3
Aug 8 Dado Marino Manchester, England W 10
Sep 19 Theo Medina Manchester, England W 15
(Wins European Bantamweight Title)
Dec 15 Joe Cornelis Manchester, England W 15
(Retains European Bantamweight Title)

1948
Jan 26 Sammy Reynolds Nottingham, England W 10
Feb 20 Guido Ferracin Manchester, England L 15
(Loses European Bantamweight Title)
Apr 16 Eddie "Bunty" Doran Manchester, England KO 8
May 26 Amleto Falcinelli Paisley, Scotland D 10
Jul 16 Guido Ferracin Manchester, England KO by 5
(For European Bantamweight Title)
Nov 19 Stan Rowan Manchester, England L 12
© 1998 The Cyber Boxing Zone. Thanks to Matt Tegen for supplying the record.

[GorDoom]

Cyber Boxing Champion
Jackie Paterson

Manager: Pat Collins Born: September 5, 1920 Springfield, Scotland Died: November 19, 1966 South Africa (Murdered) Professional Record: 64-25-3 (41 kayoes)
1938
May 26 Joe Kiely Greenock, Scotland W 10
Jul 23 Rinty Monoghan Belfast, N. Ireland KO 5
Aug 2 Pat McStavick Glasgow KO 8
Aug 17 Joe Curran Glasgow LDQ 4
Aug 19 Tommy Stewart Belfast, N. Ireland D 10
Aug 26 Joe Curran Glasgow KO by 4
Sep 27 Mickey O'Neill Glasgow W 10
Dec 14 Billy Nash Glasgow KO 8
Dec 19 Phil Milligan Newcastle, England KO 6

1939
Jan 16 Tut Whalley Newcastle, England D 10
Feb 24 Jackie Keily Port Glasgow, Scotland KO 1
Mar 10 Gavino Matta Leith, England KO 7
Mar 31 Freddie Tennant Dundee, Scotland KO 11
May 3 Raoul Degryse Glasgow W 10
May 15 Valentin Angelmann Glasgow D 10
Jun 15 Tut Whalley Glasgow KO 1
Jul 19 Joe Curran Dundee, Scotland W 10
Aug 15 Eric Jones Glasgow KO 1
Sep 30 Paddy Ryan Glasgow KO 13
(Wins British Flyweight Title)
Nov 27 Charley Brown London L 10

1940
Mar 11 Kid Tanner Manchester, England W 15
(Wins Commonwealth Flyweight Title)
Jun 1 Walley Knightley Chesterfield, England KO 8
Jun 30 Young Chocolate Edimbourgh, Scotland KO 2
Jul 5 Kid Tanner Liverpool, England W 10
Nov 13 Jimmy Stewart Newcastle, England KO 6
Dec 4 Teddy O'Neill Glasgow W 6
Dec 28 Jimmy Stewart Glasgow KO 3

1941
Jan 1 Billy Clinton Dundee, Scotland KO 1
Feb 3 Paddy Ryan Nottingham, England KO 8
(Retains British and Commenwealth Flyweight Titles)
Feb 12 Jim Brady Newcastle, England W 10
Mar 15 Phil Milligan Manchester, England W 10
May 19 Billy Hazelgrove Bristol, England KO 7
Jun 3 Kid Tanner Glasgow KO 2
Jun 20 Jimmy Lynden Manchester, England KO 9
Jun 27 Jimmy Stubbs Liverpool, England W 10
Aug 5 Jim Brady Glasgow L 15
(Loses Commonwealth Flyweight Title)
Sep 19 Kid Tanner Manchester, England W 10
Oct 6 Billy Hazelgrove London KO 9
Dec 18 Dudley Lewis London KO 1

1942
Feb 23 Joe Hardy London KO 6
Mar 12 Joe Hardy Glasgow KO 4
May 18 Frank Bonser Nottingham, England KO by 6
Jun 18 Billy Tansey Glasgow KO 2
Jul 6 Frank Bonser Nottingham, England KO 2
Jul 20 Eddie Petrin London KO 2
Aug 7 Phil Milligan Manchester, England W 10
Sep 24 Norman Lewis Glasgow W 10
Nov 26 Jim Hayes Glasgow KO 1

1943
Jan 13 Phil Milligan London KO 2
Mar 17 Al Phillips London KO 3
Jun 19 Peter Kane Glasgow KO 1
(Regains British, Wins New York and World Flyweight Titles)
Jul Gains Recognition by NBA
Jul 22 George Williams Hamilton, Scotland KO 2
Aug 11 Gus Foran London W 8
Sep 27 Len Davies Leicester, England L 10
Oct 28 Jim Hayes London W 3
Nov 24 George Pook London KO 6

1944
Apr 24 Ben Duffy Wolverhampton, England W 10
Jul 6 Ben Duffy Hamilton, Scotland W 10
Aug 12 Ronnie Clayton Liverpool, England KO 12
Oct 25 Danny Webb London KO by 3
Dec 14 Ben Duffy Glasgow KO by 7

1945
Jan 29 Jackie Grimes London W 8
Aug 24 Gus Foran Brighton, England L 8
Sep 12 Jim Brady Glasgow W 15
(Wins Commonwealth Bantamweight Title)
Nov 6 Sammy Reynolds London KO 3
Nov 19 Theo Medina Paris L 10

1946
Mar 8 Eddie "Bunty" Doran Dublin L 10
Mar 19 Theo Medina London WDQ 8
(Wins European Bantamweight Title)
May 22 Jimmy Webster Glasgow KO 5
Jun 7 Rinty Monoghan Belfast, N. Ireland KO by 6
Jul 10 Joe Curran Glasgow W 15
(Retains World and British Flyweight Titles)
Oct 30 Theo Medina Glasgow KO by 4
(Loses European Bantameweight Title)

1947
Jan 20 Cliff Anderson London L 8
Feb 10 Johnny King Manchester, England KO 7
(Wins British Bantamweight Title)
Apr 17 Corrado Conti Glasgow W 10
May 15 Emidio Cacciatori Glasgow KO 3
Jul 31 Stripped of NBA Flyweight Title
Sep 8 Stan Rowan London KO by 2
Oct 20 Norman Lewis London KO 5
(Retains Commonwealth and British Bantamweight Titles)
Dec 15 Al Chavez Manchester, England W 10

1948
Mar 23 Rinty Monaghan Belfast, N. Ireland KO by 7
(Loses World and British, For Commonwealth Flyweight Titles)
May 5 Fernando Rosa Glasgow KO 8
Jul 27 Jean Machterlinck Birmingham, England KO by 4
Aug 23 Teddy Gardner W. Hartlepool, England L 8
Oct 18 Danny O'Sullivan London KO 8
Nov 29 Ronnie Draper London L 8

1949
Feb 21 Danny O'Sullivan London L 8
Mar 24 Stan Rowan Liverpool, England L 15
(Loses Commonwealth and British Bantamweight Titles)
Aug 26 Mustapha Musatphaoui Paisley, Scotland KO 4
Oct 26 Manuel Ortiz Glasgow L 10
Dec 17 Vic Toweel Johannesburg L 10

1950
May 10 Eddie Carson Glasgow KO by 2

1951
Feb 7 Willie Myles Dundee, Scotland L 8

[GorDoom]

Cyber Boxing Champion -- Rinty Monaghan

Born: August 21, 1920 Belfast, Northern Ireland
Died: March 3, 1984 Belfast, Northern Ireland
Real Name: John Joseph Monaghan
Professional Record: 43-8-3 (19 kayos)
Manager: Frank McAloran



1934
Sept 28 Boy Ramsey D4 Belfast
Dec 19 Jim Pedlow W4 Belfast


1935
Feb 17 Vic Large Belfast KO 4
March 29 Young Finnegan KO4 Belfast

1936
Jan 13 Sam Ramsey Belfast W 6
Feb 22 Young Josephs W6 Belfast
Mar 20 Sam Ramsey D6 Carrickfergus
Mar 28 Sam Ramsey W6 Belfast
Apr 8 Young Kelly Belfast W 6
May 16 Young Josephs Belfast TKO 3
May 20 Jack McKenzie Belfast D 10
Jul 24 Young Josephs Larne, N. Ireland D 6
Sep 18 Joe Duffy Larne, N. Ireland W 6

1937
May 01 Jim Keery L6 Belfast
May 10 Mick Gibbons Belfast W 6
Jun 21 Mick Gibbons Belfast W 6
Jul 7 Sam Ramsey Belfast W 6
Jul 13 Ted Meikle Belfast TKO 4
Aug 9 Ted Meikle Belfast W 8
Aug 18 Frank Benson Belfast TKO 6
Sep 17 Ted Meikle Belfast W 8
Oct 1 Paddy O'Toole Belfast TKO 4
Nov 17 George Lang Belfast KO 1
Dec 2 Tommy Allen Belfast KO 5

1938
Jan 21 Alf Hughes Belfast KO 9
Feb 4 Pat Murphy Belfast TKO 4
Mar 1 Spider Allen Belfast KO 2
Mar 3 Cyclone Kelly Liverpool, England W 10
Mar 15 Cyclone Kelly Belfast W 10
May 06 Joe McCluskey W10 Belfast
May 27 Peter Peters Belfast KO 1
Jun 18 Ivor Neil Belfast KO 1
July ?? Joe Kiely W10 Belfast
Jul 23 Jackie Paterson Belfast KO by 5
Aug 11 Joe Curran Belfast W 10
Sep 2 Tommy Stewart Belfast L 10

1939
Feb 27 Joe Curran Liverpool, England KO 5
Mar 20 Sammy Reynolds Newcastle, England W 10
Jun 28 Tommy Stewart Belfast W 8
Jul 20 Billy Ashton Liverpool, England W 8
Nov 8 Seaman Chetty Newcastle, England W 10

1940
Jan 10 Paddy Ryan Newcastle, England L 10
Mar 04 Tommy Stewart W8 Belfast
Mar 20 Jimmy Gill Newcastle, England L 10

1941
Inactive

1942
Dec 26 Joe Meikle W8 Belfast

1943
June 06 Harry Rodgers D8 Belfast
Jul 13 Ike Weir Belfast L 10


1944
Oct 04 Joe Meikle KO1 Belfast

1945
Jul 9 Joe Collins Dublin W 10
Sep 13 Tommy Burney Liverpool, England W 10
Oct 18 Joe Curran Liverpool, England L 10
Nov 6 Eddie "Bunty" Doran Belfast KO 4

1946
Apr 4 Tommy Burney Liverpool, England W 8
Jun 7 Jackie Paterson Belfast TKO 6
Sep 11 Alec Murphy Glasgow, Scotland W 8
Sep 24 Sammy Reynolds Belfast WDQ 8

1947
Mar 11 Terry Allen London KO 1
Jul 1 Emil Famechon London W 10
Jul 16 Dado Marino Glasgow, Scotland LDQ 9
Oct 20 Dado Marino London W 15
(Wins NBA Flyweight Title)

1948
Mar 23 Jackie Paterson Belfast KO 7
(Retains NBA, Wins Lineal, Commonwealth and British Flyweight Titles)

Jun 28 Charlie Square Birmingham, England TKO 7

1949
Feb 7 Terry Allen London L 8
Apr 5 Maurice Sandeyron Belfast W 15
(Retains World and Wins European Flyweight Titles)

Aug 19 Otello Belardinelli Belfast W 10

Sep 30 Terry Allen Belfast D 15
(Retains World, European, Commowealth, and British Flyweight Titles)

1950
Mar 30 Abandons Title
Apr 25 Announces Retirement because of chronic bronchitis

© 1998 The Cyber Boxing Zone. Thanks to Matt Tegen & Harry Otty for supplying the record.

[GorDoom]

I'd say they were ALL damn good fighters! Kind of amazing that three guys from the U.K. would between them hold the flyweight title from 1938 to 1950.

Of the three, Kane has the most spectacular record. Patterson had a lot of losses in his career but look at his competition. Rinty somehow overcame chronic bronchitis to become a world champ.

Kane was definitely an all time great fly but Patterson & Rinty are definitely in the conversation.

They are definitely forgotten but they are JUST as definitely not forgettable.

But in the end, the majority of even great fighters, end up forgotten in the bloody mitts of time.

GorDoom

[theironbar]

Well said Gor -- but what do you make of that 1 round KO loss to Patterson in Kane's only title defence?

And, the million dollar question for me, are these three men "Hall" worthy?

[GorDoom]

By today's lowered standards I'd say Kane & Rinty are HOF worthy. Patterson because of all the career losses probably not.

As to that 1 round KO, hey it happens to the best of them. Anybody can get caught cold in the 1st round.

GorDoom

[theironbar]

I think the weight must have had something to do with the KO of Kane, but I haven't read or heard that it was... he certainly didn't seem to hang around flyweight after that...

For me, despite the fact I love my Liverpool boy Kane, and empathize with the alcoholic Patterson, Rinty is number 1, followed by Kane, then Patterson... I'm still pondering their "Hall" worthiness... let's say I'll take it under advisement...

[theironbar]

No one else with any thoughts on this extraordinary threesome? Love to hear from some of the British CBZers...

BTW, if you throw flyweight world titlists into the mix, as opposed to "world" champs, Jackie Brown and then (earlier in his career before he won the "undisputed" title) Benny Lynch, and I should add in Terry Allen (1950), you have Brits controlling the flies from 1932 to 1950!

[robertsnell]

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Peter Kane

Born Peter Cain in Heywood , Lancashire, 23 Feb 1918, his family moved to Golbourne, just outside Heydock when he was aged 3. As a schoolboy we worked as a blacksmith, a job he continued for most of his career. This gave him tremendous upper body strength, an asset that he used to good effect when he stopped all of his first 13 opponents.

He had his first paid fight at the Liverpool stadium when he was 16 and his all action non-stop style made him a great favourite wherever he appeared. He won his first title in 1937 – the Northern Area flyweight crown – before stopping the Irish champion Jim Warnock before a 35,000 crowd at the Anfield football ground – the home of Liverpool Football Club – in a World Title eliminator.

After 41 consecutive wins (33 of them stoppages) he lost for the first time to the champion Benny Lynch who stopped him in the 13th round at Shawfield Park Glasgow in October 1937 in front of a 40,000 crowd. His great performance earned him a return fight five months later, but Lynch failed to make the weight; the bout was reduced to 12 rounds and resulted in a draw. Lynch was 6 ½ lb over the limit.

The following year Lynch forfeited his crown, and Peter Kane defeated the American Jackie Jurich for the vacant crown. His manager Ted Denvir had readily agreed and the Liverpool Stadium manager Johnny Best joined forces with Belle Vue ( Manchester ) resulting in a 35,800 crowd – some estimates put it over 40,000 – at the Anfield ground. A record for any Mersey crowd.


Nel Tarleton had joined Peter’s camp and was his chief sparring partner . Jurich was on the defensive for much of the fight in an attempt to keep the hard-hitting Kane at bay but to little success. Kane – a great favourite in France where he was known as Le Petite Forgeron – dropped Jurich in round two for a count of nine with a punch so hard it was to damage his knuckle. The damaged finger was later to be amputated .

However, before he could cash in on his laurels World War two intervened and he joined the RAF. The NBA proclaimed the Filipino, Little Dado, as champion in 1939 but nobody – including Dado – took the distinction very seriously. When some 5 years later after winning the title in his first defence he was knocked out in 61 seconds by the Scot Jackie Paterson at Hampden 19 June 1943.

Kane seemed finished but two years later surprised the boxing world when - after moving up to bantamweight - he won the European bantamweight title from Theo Medina of France. He defended it successfully against Belgian Joe Cornelis then lost it to Guido Ferracin of Italy. Following another loss to Ferracin and to Liverpool’s Stan Rowan in a British bantamweight title eliminator in Manchester, he announced his retirement aged 30.

[theironbar]

Thanks so much for the post -- I'm e-mailing you right now.

-Peter

[theironbar]

Hi Robert -- I should have asked but what were the circumstances of the Kane one round loss of his title?

[kikibalt]

[theironbar]

Frank -- thanks for posting that program pic -- I've actually been looking to buy it for a while -- where did you find it?

BTW, looks like we're not the only admirer of these old time British flies -- some of their autos went for big $$$ on e-bay!!!